Dundrum Main St one way

Tea drinker wrote: »

Killiney hill is harder to access as all parking eliminated on East side. Car Parking on the hill was overflowed the whole way down the hill over the weekend.

All the parking on the east side ? A bit dramatic. They removed about 20 spaces for n the vico which would have been used by people going to white rock or the ramps.

The car park regularly over flows. At the moment the issue is sheer number of people.
People are not travelling outside of Dublin, play centres are closed. Kids matches are cancelled. And people are avoiding shopping centres and the city centre.

It’s a numbed game. I live fairly close to the hill and would be up there often. It’s constantly busy, footpaths , coffee shop etc.

markpb

Tea drinker wrote: »

Not everyone can cycle there are many older folk perfectly capable of driving but would have balance issues on a bike.

That's a daft argument - there are plenty of people who perfectly capable of cycling but cannot drive. You seem to be saying we should build roads for the people can't cycle but we shouldn't build cycle lanes for the people who can't drive? In any case, there are bikes that are perfectly suitable for people with mobility or balance issues. There are no cars that are suitable for people with medical conditions or sight issues.

The old arrangement was dangerous for cyclists.
The new arrangement is slower for drivers.

Being inconvenienced because your journey takes a little longer is in the same league not the same as your journey being dangerous.

The only losers here are public transport users.

Tea drinker wrote: »

Not everyone can cycle there are many older folk perfectly capable of driving but would have balance issues on a bike. There's plenty of people never learned to cycle either. Basically it's if you don't like it FO. We have issues in the city centre now because "there's too many cyclists and pedestrians" in some pinch spots. If car drivers can be told to leave streets then maybe pedestrians / cyclists should leave from these areas / junctions altogether?
You don't HAVE to cycle or walk down that street.
It's difficult to see many of the changes in a positive light, I think it makes it harder for non locals to access areas. I'm not fully informed on howth changes but on the face of it seems worse for non locals. Dundrum seems to be getting more awkward. Killiney hill is harder to access as all parking eliminated on East side. Car Parking on the hill was overflowed the whole way down the hill over the weekend.
Dun Laoghaire changes around harbour seem OK, not convinced of the changes to the approach roads.

Well we can't make allowances for people that simply ''never learned to cycle' because it's a very simply and useful skill that everyone should be obliged to know. There is still massive amounts of parking in Dundrum in the shopping centre,Dundrum probably has the highest ratio of parking to population per capita in all of Ireland. You use the luxury of driving around with an arm chair beside you and couch and storage to the back, don't expect cities with constrained road space to make allowance for that need of yours. Even if youre old or lesser abled. You need to pay for that luxury.

Anyway I always do wonder how the massive elderly populations of Spain and France and Italy and their many completely pedestrianised cities managed to survive these inhuman environments. Seems the quality of life of those seniors is very high even though they have no car access. Something just not built in the genes of the irish it would seem. Hardy folk over on the continent

Btw if theres too many pedestrians or cyclists at a pinch point it;s almost without exception because cars have been given too much room. The answer is not to curtail movement of pedestrians and cyclists(much more economical use of space), but to make allowance for it.

Tea drinker

bb1234567 wrote: »

Not surprised dirvers objected, any improvement to public realm in Dublin met with a lot of kicking and screaming by the car lobby. As for businesses, I find this a surprise, although similar to other parts of Ireland after the initial reluctance the disquiet will fade gradually and usually the effect on business from pedestrian priortisiration is shown to massively benefit business more than anything else.

Business in Dublin city centre already flourishing because of similar initiatives, I don't see how Dundrum main street which will always have the massive anchor of the shopping centre and luas proximity could do so badly from this

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0730/1156506-dublin-pedestrianisation/

I just read some of the objections by businesses and they are concerning but they are from August before the work was actually completed. It will be useful and interesting to see an updated opinion on economic activity and if it has seen improvment.

Not everyone can cycle there are many older folk perfectly capable of driving but would have balance issues on a bike. There's plenty of people never learned to cycle either. Basically it's if you don't like it FO. We have issues in the city centre now because "there's too many cyclists and pedestrians" in some pinch spots. If car drivers can be told to leave streets then maybe pedestrians / cyclists should leave from these areas / junctions altogether?
You don't HAVE to cycle or walk down that street.

It's difficult to see many of the changes in a positive light, I think it makes it harder for non locals to access areas. I'm not fully informed on howth changes but on the face of it seems worse for non locals. Dundrum seems to be getting more awkward. Killiney hill is harder to access as all parking eliminated on East side. Car Parking on the hill was overflowed the whole way down the hill over the weekend.
Dun Laoghaire changes around harbour seem OK, not convinced of the changes to the approach roads.

punisher5112 wrote: »

You do realise I'm a bus driver.... Very smart aren't you.

No I didn’t

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Yeah, the traffic light sequences are changed across the city. Some lights only allow 2 or 3 cars through.

As to the last comment... Cars are needed to get around , in absence of proper integrated public transport.

And to correct above posters - the one way system in dundrum was pushed through against wishes of residents and businesses in dundrum. The pressure group called imagine dundrum were at forefront of this. Anne Colgan already canvassed all the councillors to vote it through. This stinks of corruption.

Not surprised dirvers objected, any improvement to public realm in Dublin met with a lot of kicking and screaming by the car lobby. As for businesses, I find this a surprise, although similar to other parts of Ireland after the initial reluctance the disquiet will fade gradually and usually the effect on business from pedestrian priortisiration is shown to massively benefit business more than anything else.

Business in Dublin city centre already flourishing because of similar initiatives, I don't see how Dundrum main street which will always have the massive anchor of the shopping centre and luas proximity could do so badly from this

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0730/1156506-dublin-pedestrianisation/

I just read some of the objections by businesses and they are concerning but they are from August before the work was actually completed. It will be useful and interesting to see an updated opinion on economic activity and if it has seen improvment.

ted1 wrote: »

Maybe try making the journey without a car.

You do realise I'm a bus driver.... Very smart aren't you.

Viscount Aggro

ted1 wrote: »

Maybe try making the journey without a car.

Yeah, the traffic light sequences are changed across the city. Some lights only allow 2 or 3 cars through.

As to the last comment... Cars are needed to get around , in absence of proper integrated public transport.

And to correct above posters - the one way system in dundrum was pushed through against wishes of residents and businesses in dundrum. The pressure group called imagine dundrum were at forefront of this. Anne Colgan already canvassed all the councillors to vote it through. This stinks of corruption.

punisher5112 wrote: »

For a council that has come out to say they are struggling and they must charge the full property tax o find that laughable in itself but hell the mad man in power has hot his way....

They have messed with lights everywhere also so now it takes me much longer to get to and from work and when in work journey times are increasing for the worse all the time....

For something that is temporary for covid it's extremely permanent looking to me, roads cut and dug, new permanent paths and cycle lanes, solid poles etc ...

Maybe try making the journey without a car.

For a council that has come out to say they are struggling and they must charge the full property tax o find that laughable in itself but hell the mad man in power has hot his way....

They have messed with lights everywhere also so now it takes me much longer to get to and from work and when in work journey times are increasing for the worse all the time....

For something that is temporary for covid it's extremely permanent looking to me, roads cut and dug, new permanent paths and cycle lanes, solid poles etc ...

GT89

LXFlyer wrote: »

I think you’re possibly confused with another madcap idea.

They’re planning and consulting on making Deans Grange Road one way southbound between Brookville Road and Deangrange Cross, thus requiring the 84 and 84a towards Blackrock to divert via Kill Lane, Abbey Road and the unnamed link road.

Not good for bus users (again).

Well if that's the case it won't just have effect on the 84/a but also cause potential traffic backlogs causing delays to routes 4, 7b, 7d, 46a, 63 and 75 due to the traffic on Deansgrange Road being diverted to Abbey Road and Kill Lane it's utter madness. Why does it always have to be improve cycling and walking infrastructure at the expense of public transport when really the two should work in tandem.

Drifter50 wrote: »

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.
Have a bit of consideration for the other local residents who have to live and work here and not your own utopian agenda

I live in the Dundrum area and they are only considerd unnecessary becaause we are used to living lives so utterly subservient to the car and in places where no imagination or effort is put into creating livable urban environments. I live in Dundrum thanks, never been prouder to say Im from there and so glad all this has happened. Never seen the area safer or more vibrant because of all this fussy 'unnecessary' nonsense. Unnecessary in the sense it was not immediately or direly needed, that does not mean it is useless Don't see what I do for a living has anything to do with it, but I work in architecture in a firm in town.

'A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc'
All this can still be done. So I don't undertsnad your point really, just seems like needless complaining.

Consideration for residents okay..how has it affected you? Because despite your ranty tone you havnt explained any objectively negative impacts from the works.

Drifter50 wrote: »

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.
Have a bit of consideration for the other local residents who have to live and work here and not your own utopian agenda

LXFlyer

GT89 wrote: »

I heard DLRCC are looking at making part of Kill Lane one way meaning southbound only traffic between Bakers Corner and Deansgrange Village meaning the 46a and 75 will have to be diverted. Utter madness if that goes ahead.

I think you’re possibly confused with another madcap idea.

They’re planning and consulting on making Deans Grange Road one way southbound between Brookville Road and Deangrange Cross, thus requiring the 84 and 84a towards Blackrock to divert via Kill Lane, Abbey Road and the unnamed link road.

Not good for bus users (again).

Drifter50

bb1234567 wrote: »

Thoroughly impressed with what they've done with Dundrum main street. Wow what a fantastic transformation..I'm sure it will be of immeasurable benefit to the many businesses along the street and the comfortale surrounding will act as a complimentary acnhor to the main draw at the shopping centre.

My ONLY two criticism is why hasn't this been done sooner? And why aren't more villages following suit around the city??

It's a fascinating snapshot into the future of Dublin, a more sustainaible ,cleaner and smarter future. A city which will hopefully come to further prioritise and emphasise the necessary importance on creating beautiful places for local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban areas on the doorstep rather than having to traverse all the way into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in. I suppose Dundrum and Blackrock have their bypasses which is why this plan was so easy to sail on through without much opposition, but I really hope to see more of this being done throughout the rest of the city. Most suburban areas are such drab ****e places to live and the creation of such a well designed and attractive central meeting point like this is so important to be doing.

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.
Have a bit of consideration for the other local residents who have to live and work here and not your own utopian agenda

GT89

I heard DLRCC are looking at making part of Kill Lane one way meaning southbound only traffic between Bakers Corner and Deansgrange Village meaning the 46a and 75 will have to be diverted. Utter madness if that goes ahead.

LXFlyer

bb1234567 wrote: »

Thoroughly impressed with what they've done with Dundrum main street. Wow what a fantastic transformation..I'm sure it will be of immeasurable benefit to the many businesses along the street and the comfortale surrounding will act as a complimentary acnhor to the main draw at the shopping centre.

My ONLY two criticism is why hasn't this been done sooner? And why aren't more villages following suit around the city??

It's a fascinating snapshot into the future of Dublin, a more sustainaible ,cleaner and smarter future. A city which will hopefully come to further prioritise and emphasise the necessary importance on creating beautiful places for local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban areas on the doorstep rather than having to traverse all the way into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in. I suppose Dundrum and Blackrock have their bypasses which is why this plan was so easy to sail on through without much opposition, but I really hope to see more of this being done throughout the rest of the city. Most suburban areas are such drab ****e places to live and the creation of such a well designed and attractive central meeting point like this is so important to be doing.

I do hate to burst your bubble, but this isn't a good change for bus users.

1) The 14 is now utterly unpredicatable in Ballinteer towards the city. For the 15 years I've lived in Ballinteer, it was possible to set your watch by it (taking 6-7 minutes), but no more. It now ranges from 10 to 24 minutes journey time from Dundrum to Ballinteer (which could almost double your previous journey time from the city if using LUAS and bus to get home). The need to take an extended detour that requires five right turns, four of them controlled by traffic lights, and passing a school on Kilmacud Road Upper has rendered it totally unreliable.

2) There is less connectivity with LUAS (something the NTA were gushing about when they moved the 75 to Go-Ahead) as the 75 now only connects in one direction (eastward).

3) No stop in Dundrum is served by all of the bus routes to Ballinteer forcing people to choose stops rather than use the old main stop opposite the church which was served by the 14, 75 and 175.

Thoroughly impressed with what they've done with Dundrum main street. Wow what a fantastic transformation..I'm sure it will be of immeasurable benefit to the many businesses along the street and the comfortale surrounding will act as a complimentary acnhor to the main draw at the shopping centre.

My ONLY two criticism is why hasn't this been done sooner? And why aren't more villages following suit around the city??

It's a fascinating snapshot into the future of Dublin, a more sustainaible ,cleaner and smarter future. A city which will hopefully come to further prioritise and emphasise the necessary importance on creating beautiful places for local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban areas on the doorstep rather than having to traverse all the way into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in. I suppose Dundrum and Blackrock have their bypasses which is why this plan was so easy to sail on through without much opposition, but I really hope to see more of this being done throughout the rest of the city. Most suburban areas are such drab ****e places to live and the creation of such a well designed and attractive central meeting point like this is so important to be doing.

LXFlyer

ted1 wrote: »

Can you provide a photo. Because if it doesn’t fit. It doesn’t met the requirements for a cycle lanes as set out the in DURMS manual. Are you sure it’s a bike lane ?

It’s not chippings, it’s an anti skid surface designed for car tyres which adds lots of rolling resistance and slows down bikes

Given that the poster concerned is reporting his observations of Goatstown Road from the perspective of driving a bus along the route, asking him to take a photo is probably not advisable?

Why not maybe go and take a look yourself and report back?

ted1 wrote: »

Can you provide a photo. Because if it doesn’t fit. It doesn’t met the requirements for a cycle lanes as set out the in DURMS manual. Are you sure it’s a bike lane ?

It’s not chippings, it’s an anti skid surface designed for car tyres which adds lots of rolling resistance and slows down bikes

Sorry chipping wasn't the correct term, I couldn't think of what it was called but you knew what I meant, it stinks too.... Especially in hot weather, they put it down on some sections of the footpath too and bus stop at the church.

Its a bike lane alright and the kerb is extremely sharp and high on the car side with black posts every so often, the turns into estates have all been narrowed considerably.

The cycle lane at custom House that goes up to Connolly by the IFSC is full of debris, I can't recall last time I've seen it clear. Doesn't get a sweeper as I don't believe it would fit there too.

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's after the stone chipping surface is layed down, that one won't fit in the one on Goatstown road.

Can you provide a photo. Because if it doesn’t fit. It doesn’t met the requirements for a cycle lanes as set out the in DURMS manual. Are you sure it’s a bike lane ?

It’s not chippings, it’s an anti skid surface designed for car tyres which adds lots of rolling resistance and slows down bikes

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1309130656883126278

So it seems DLR don't have the smaller sized road sweeper but have leased one. They may well go ahead and buy one outright.

That's after the stone chipping surface is layed down, that one won't fit in the one on Goatstown road.

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1309130656883126278

So it seems DLR don't have the smaller sized road sweeper but have leased one. They may well go ahead and buy one outright.

They do, the cycle lane is new. They outsource some work

That sweep before it opens would be done by the contractor before handover as opposed to the council

[Deleted User]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1309130656883126278

So it seems DLR don't have the smaller sized road sweeper but have leased one. They may well go ahead and buy one outright.

ted1 wrote: »

No, they have a few of these ones.

Go and look at the cycle lane at Goatstown.... Its full of debris and now the road is too, the kerbs are extremely sharp and very high on the southbound side....
If they have one to fit it brilliant but wouldn't you think they'd use it after finishing the works.

Edgware

ted1 wrote: »

So because you haven’t seen it you deny it’s existence?

John 20.29 applies

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ones we have are bigger....

No, they have a few of these ones.

ted1 wrote: »

So you haven’t seen these size ones ? https://images.app.goo.gl/SzAwSVdBcEfeZVyK6

Ones we have are bigger....

punisher5112 wrote: »

The only one I can think of is the one where the guy must walk behind it, used in city.... I don't see a guy walking 100s of k to do cycle lanes.
The machine I see doing the road sweeping won't fit in these new style lanes

So you haven’t seen these size ones ? https://images.app.goo.gl/SzAwSVdBcEfeZVyK6