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Dundrum Main St one way

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The Council have sprung this on us without much prior notice. Dundrum Main St is now one way city bound. Not only this, but it appears that traffic is now prohibited from going up the hill at the crossroads,( Stillorgan bound, past the Garda station). The Council claim that there is a bypass which can take the diverted traffic, but anyone familiar with the traffic situation at the roundabouts near the Dundrum Town Centre, particularly on wet weekends in the Winter, would avoid this area like the plague. The 14 bus will now have to follow a tortuous diversion route where before it was a straight run up the Main St. onto the Ballinteer road. The council claim this is in response to the Covid situation??? The logic of it eludes me, anyone else have an opinion on this ?

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punisher5112

Outside Ulster Bank they are now moving the kerbing out further into the road, so buses using the one way as it is don't fit by that turn unless the nose goes over the line, now the cars will be even closer to the middle.... Brilliant idea council and engineers.... Bravo. Slow clap

DangerScouse

punisher5112 wrote: »

Outside Ulster Bank they are now moving the kerbing out further into the road, so buses using the one way as it is don't fit by that turn unless the nose goes over the line, now the cars will be even closer to the middle.... Brilliant idea council and engineers.... Bravo. Slow clap

That's nothing. You want to see the absolute mess they have made of the Goatstown to Clonskeagh Road with the cycle lane. It's now dangerous pulling out of any of the estates onto the main road such is the new layout as it's impossible for bigger vehicles to do it without crossing into oncoming traffic.

Only a matter of time before there is a major incident.

punisher5112

DangerScouse wrote: »

That's nothing. You want to see the absolute mess they have made of the Goatstown to Clonskeagh Road with the cycle lane. It's now dangerous pulling out of any of the estates onto the main road such is the new layout as it's impossible for bigger vehicles to do it without crossing into oncoming traffic.

Only a matter of time before there is a major incident.

I've previously mentioned this as do be on that road.

Edgware

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've previously mentioned this as do be on that road.

Someone also mentioned that if a faster cyclist wishes to overtake a slower he/she will leave the cycle lane into the path of cars etc. I can see increased cyclist facilities this winter

punisher5112

Edgware wrote: »

Someone also mentioned that if a faster cyclist wishes to overtake a slower he/she will leave the cycle lane into the path of cars etc. I can see increased cyclist facilities this winter

Not only that they will be banging on here they don't need to use it and also that it's full of debris..... The council don't have arias sweeper that will fit in it.....

sy_flembeck

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not only that they will be banging on here they don't need to use it and also that it's full of debris..... The council don't have arias sweeper that will fit in it.....

And they would be correct.

Don't blame cyclists for 'banging on' about crap infrastructure

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not only that they will be banging on here they don't need to use it and also that it's full of debris..... The council don't have arias sweeper that will fit in it.....

The council do have sweeper that fit both footpaths and cycle lanes. The cyclists would be banging on about it, if drivers knew the rules of the road and didn’t bang on about cyclists not using it.

Cause and effect

Here’s the schedule for their sweeping cycle lanes.

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/190118fc_cycle_lane_sweeping_schedule_info_sheet.pdf

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/environment/litter-control-cleansing/road-cycle-lane-sweeping

punisher5112

ted1 wrote: »

The council do have sweeper that fit both footpaths and cycle lanes. The cyclists would be banging on about it, if drivers knew the rules of the road and didn’t bang on about cyclists not using it.

Cause and effect

Here’s the schedule for their sweeping cycle lanes.

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/190118fc_cycle_lane_sweeping_schedule_info_sheet.pdf

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/environment/litter-control-cleansing/road-cycle-lane-sweeping

Have yet to see one that will fit on Goatstown road or Dublin city now with all the new poles, the road sweepers are too large to fit inside.

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

Have yet to see one that will fit on Goatstown road or Dublin city now with all the new poles, the road sweepers are too large to fit inside.

So because you haven’t seen it you deny it’s existence?

punisher5112

ted1 wrote: »

So because you haven’t seen it you deny it’s existence?

The only one I can think of is the one where the guy must walk behind it, used in city.... I don't see a guy walking 100s of k to do cycle lanes.
The machine I see doing the road sweeping won't fit in these new style lanes

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

The only one I can think of is the one where the guy must walk behind it, used in city.... I don't see a guy walking 100s of k to do cycle lanes.
The machine I see doing the road sweeping won't fit in these new style lanes

So you haven’t seen these size ones ? https://images.app.goo.gl/SzAwSVdBcEfeZVyK6

punisher5112

ted1 wrote: »

So you haven’t seen these size ones ? https://images.app.goo.gl/SzAwSVdBcEfeZVyK6

Ones we have are bigger....

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ones we have are bigger....

No, they have a few of these ones.

Edgware

ted1 wrote: »

So because you haven’t seen it you deny it’s existence?

John 20.29 applies

punisher5112

ted1 wrote: »

No, they have a few of these ones.

Go and look at the cycle lane at Goatstown.... Its full of debris and now the road is too, the kerbs are extremely sharp and very high on the southbound side....
If they have one to fit it brilliant but wouldn't you think they'd use it after finishing the works.

[Deleted User]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1309130656883126278

So it seems DLR don't have the smaller sized road sweeper but have leased one. They may well go ahead and buy one outright.

ted1

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1309130656883126278

So it seems DLR don't have the smaller sized road sweeper but have leased one. They may well go ahead and buy one outright.

They do, the cycle lane is new. They outsource some work

That sweep before it opens would be done by the contractor before handover as opposed to the council

punisher5112

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1309130656883126278

So it seems DLR don't have the smaller sized road sweeper but have leased one. They may well go ahead and buy one outright.

That's after the stone chipping surface is layed down, that one won't fit in the one on Goatstown road.

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's after the stone chipping surface is layed down, that one won't fit in the one on Goatstown road.

Can you provide a photo. Because if it doesn’t fit. It doesn’t met the requirements for a cycle lanes as set out the in DURMS manual. Are you sure it’s a bike lane ?

It’s not chippings, it’s an anti skid surface designed for car tyres which adds lots of rolling resistance and slows down bikes

punisher5112

ted1 wrote: »

Can you provide a photo. Because if it doesn’t fit. It doesn’t met the requirements for a cycle lanes as set out the in DURMS manual. Are you sure it’s a bike lane ?

It’s not chippings, it’s an anti skid surface designed for car tyres which adds lots of rolling resistance and slows down bikes

Sorry chipping wasn't the correct term, I couldn't think of what it was called but you knew what I meant, it stinks too.... Especially in hot weather, they put it down on some sections of the footpath too and bus stop at the church.

Its a bike lane alright and the kerb is extremely sharp and high on the car side with black posts every so often, the turns into estates have all been narrowed considerably.

The cycle lane at custom House that goes up to Connolly by the IFSC is full of debris, I can't recall last time I've seen it clear. Doesn't get a sweeper as I don't believe it would fit there too.

LXFlyer

ted1 wrote: »

Can you provide a photo. Because if it doesn’t fit. It doesn’t met the requirements for a cycle lanes as set out the in DURMS manual. Are you sure it’s a bike lane ?

It’s not chippings, it’s an anti skid surface designed for car tyres which adds lots of rolling resistance and slows down bikes

Given that the poster concerned is reporting his observations of Goatstown Road from the perspective of driving a bus along the route, asking him to take a photo is probably not advisable?

Why not maybe go and take a look yourself and report back?

bb1234567

Thoroughly impressed with what they've done with Dundrum main street. Wow what a fantastic transformation..I'm sure it will be of immeasurable benefit to the many businesses along the street and the comfortale surrounding will act as a complimentary acnhor to the main draw at the shopping centre.

My ONLY two criticism is why hasn't this been done sooner? And why aren't more villages following suit around the city??

It's a fascinating snapshot into the future of Dublin, a more sustainaible ,cleaner and smarter future. A city which will hopefully come to further prioritise and emphasise the necessary importance on creating beautiful places for local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban areas on the doorstep rather than having to traverse all the way into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in. I suppose Dundrum and Blackrock have their bypasses which is why this plan was so easy to sail on through without much opposition, but I really hope to see more of this being done throughout the rest of the city. Most suburban areas are such drab ****e places to live and the creation of such a well designed and attractive central meeting point like this is so important to be doing.

LXFlyer

bb1234567 wrote: »

Thoroughly impressed with what they've done with Dundrum main street. Wow what a fantastic transformation..I'm sure it will be of immeasurable benefit to the many businesses along the street and the comfortale surrounding will act as a complimentary acnhor to the main draw at the shopping centre.

My ONLY two criticism is why hasn't this been done sooner? And why aren't more villages following suit around the city??

It's a fascinating snapshot into the future of Dublin, a more sustainaible ,cleaner and smarter future. A city which will hopefully come to further prioritise and emphasise the necessary importance on creating beautiful places for local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban areas on the doorstep rather than having to traverse all the way into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in. I suppose Dundrum and Blackrock have their bypasses which is why this plan was so easy to sail on through without much opposition, but I really hope to see more of this being done throughout the rest of the city. Most suburban areas are such drab ****e places to live and the creation of such a well designed and attractive central meeting point like this is so important to be doing.

I do hate to burst your bubble, but this isn't a good change for bus users.

1) The 14 is now utterly unpredicatable in Ballinteer towards the city. For the 15 years I've lived in Ballinteer, it was possible to set your watch by it (taking 6-7 minutes), but no more. It now ranges from 10 to 24 minutes journey time from Dundrum to Ballinteer (which could almost double your previous journey time from the city if using LUAS and bus to get home). The need to take an extended detour that requires five right turns, four of them controlled by traffic lights, and passing a school on Kilmacud Road Upper has rendered it totally unreliable.

2) There is less connectivity with LUAS (something the NTA were gushing about when they moved the 75 to Go-Ahead) as the 75 now only connects in one direction (eastward).

3) No stop in Dundrum is served by all of the bus routes to Ballinteer forcing people to choose stops rather than use the old main stop opposite the church which was served by the 14, 75 and 175.

GT89

I heard DLRCC are looking at making part of Kill Lane one way meaning southbound only traffic between Bakers Corner and Deansgrange Village meaning the 46a and 75 will have to be diverted. Utter madness if that goes ahead.

Drifter50

bb1234567 wrote: »

Thoroughly impressed with what they've done with Dundrum main street. Wow what a fantastic transformation..I'm sure it will be of immeasurable benefit to the many businesses along the street and the comfortale surrounding will act as a complimentary acnhor to the main draw at the shopping centre.

My ONLY two criticism is why hasn't this been done sooner? And why aren't more villages following suit around the city??

It's a fascinating snapshot into the future of Dublin, a more sustainaible ,cleaner and smarter future. A city which will hopefully come to further prioritise and emphasise the necessary importance on creating beautiful places for local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban areas on the doorstep rather than having to traverse all the way into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in. I suppose Dundrum and Blackrock have their bypasses which is why this plan was so easy to sail on through without much opposition, but I really hope to see more of this being done throughout the rest of the city. Most suburban areas are such drab ****e places to live and the creation of such a well designed and attractive central meeting point like this is so important to be doing.

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.
Have a bit of consideration for the other local residents who have to live and work here and not your own utopian agenda

LXFlyer

GT89 wrote: »

I heard DLRCC are looking at making part of Kill Lane one way meaning southbound only traffic between Bakers Corner and Deansgrange Village meaning the 46a and 75 will have to be diverted. Utter madness if that goes ahead.

I think you’re possibly confused with another madcap idea.

They’re planning and consulting on making Deans Grange Road one way southbound between Brookville Road and Deangrange Cross, thus requiring the 84 and 84a towards Blackrock to divert via Kill Lane, Abbey Road and the unnamed link road.

Not good for bus users (again).

bb1234567

Drifter50 wrote: »

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.
Have a bit of consideration for the other local residents who have to live and work here and not your own utopian agenda

I live in the Dundrum area and they are only considerd unnecessary becaause we are used to living lives so utterly subservient to the car and in places where no imagination or effort is put into creating livable urban environments. I live in Dundrum thanks, never been prouder to say Im from there and so glad all this has happened. Never seen the area safer or more vibrant because of all this fussy 'unnecessary' nonsense. Unnecessary in the sense it was not immediately or direly needed, that does not mean it is useless Don't see what I do for a living has anything to do with it, but I work in architecture in a firm in town.

'A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc'
All this can still be done. So I don't undertsnad your point really, just seems like needless complaining.

Consideration for residents okay..how has it affected you? Because despite your ranty tone you havnt explained any objectively negative impacts from the works.

bb1234567

Drifter50 wrote: »

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.
Have a bit of consideration for the other local residents who have to live and work here and not your own utopian agenda

GT89

LXFlyer wrote: »

I think you’re possibly confused with another madcap idea.

They’re planning and consulting on making Deans Grange Road one way southbound between Brookville Road and Deangrange Cross, thus requiring the 84 and 84a towards Blackrock to divert via Kill Lane, Abbey Road and the unnamed link road.

Not good for bus users (again).

Well if that's the case it won't just have effect on the 84/a but also cause potential traffic backlogs causing delays to routes 4, 7b, 7d, 46a, 63 and 75 due to the traffic on Deansgrange Road being diverted to Abbey Road and Kill Lane it's utter madness. Why does it always have to be improve cycling and walking infrastructure at the expense of public transport when really the two should work in tandem.

punisher5112

For a council that has come out to say they are struggling and they must charge the full property tax o find that laughable in itself but hell the mad man in power has hot his way....

They have messed with lights everywhere also so now it takes me much longer to get to and from work and when in work journey times are increasing for the worse all the time....

For something that is temporary for covid it's extremely permanent looking to me, roads cut and dug, new permanent paths and cycle lanes, solid poles etc ...