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Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

ASOT

General thread for the other promotions who wouldn't warrent a full one on the majority of events! Anybody watching Bellator & WSOF tonight? There's some great fights on IMO! Looking forward to seeing Brooks, Nick Newell, Joe Schilling, Aldo's translator Saul and a few others. Fairly decent night of fights!

Bellator Stream here - http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/4/10/8377017/bellator-136-live-stream-online

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themandan6611

ASOT wrote: »

Kiefer graduated from the Cathal Pendred school of head movement with full marks.

Never a truer statement, he was close to being out at the end of Rd1 and it should really have been stopped. Fair play to Kavanagh, seems to be more focused and made weight easy enough which has not always been the case.

As much as I dislike Gallagher and the poor quality of the opposition he did what he does well, really well.

ASOT

Kiefer graduated from the Cathal Pendred school of head movement with full marks.

Homelander

Well I obviously won't deny Gallagher put on a good dominant show, I just wish he would drop that cringe-inducing persona, it's so embarrassing to watch.....it's like watching a bad actor over-act in a soap opera, just so blatantly forced.

But yeah pretty good performance to be fair. Now time to start giving him some proper names in Bellator.

Was shocked at how bad Kiefer Crosbie looked. No Fight IQ at all, just walk forward, drop hands, and take shots over and over. Really weird performance. When the commentator was talking about how he said he had no game plan, I didn't think it was that literal.

Charlie Ward was...OK. Clearly lacking on the ground but actually didn't do too horribly considering his opponent should have had a massive advantage there but Ward had dominant control time. Manzolo was active from his back but not really threatening. So I think he deserved the win and usually he's an entertaining fighter to watch.

Missed Sinead Kavanagh's fight but glad she won, she's a good scrapper to watch.

I know it wasn't this event but great win for Brian Moore the other day as well, those uppercuts were amazing! He comes across as a nice, genuine guy, no rubbish talk, just entertaining fights.

Mellor

Davern is one of the top jiu jitsu competitors. Hasn’t fought in MMA in a few years.

Tazzimus

Mellor wrote: »

I wasn’t talking about worldwide jiu jitsu either. I meant just among younger Irish guys. But not mma specific. There’s a few of young black belts it’s at ECJJ like Tom Halpin.
In MMA specifically I’m can’t think of too many bjj focused guys. Richie Smullen is pretty high ranked in SBG.

Richie has solid BJJ.
Does Kieran Davern do MMA these days? He'd be fairly up there as well, along with a few non SBG heads like you mentioned.
I'd say there'll be a few good ones coming from Team KF with Tom and Chris teaching their ways.

Mellor

Porthallian wrote: »

I meant in high-level MMA, not necessarily just world jiu-jitsu comps. Can you name anyone better?

I wasn’t talking about worldwide jiu jitsu either. I meant just among younger Irish guys. But not mma specific. There’s a few of young black belts it’s at ECJJ like Tom Halpin.
In MMA specifically I’m can’t think of too many bjj focused guys. Richie Smullen is pretty high ranked in SBG.

Porthallian

Mellor wrote: »

Really? I know he was highly touted as a juvenile blue belt going to worlds. But nothing really came of that. Kinda assumed he reasonably focused on MMA after that.
At this point there are guy age focused fully on jiu jitsu.

I meant in high-level MMA, not necessarily just world jiu-jitsu comps. Can you name anyone better?

Mellor

Porthallian wrote: »

His jiu-jitsu is off the charts. Has to be one of the best in Ireland at his age.

Really? I know he was highly touted as a juvenile blue belt going to worlds. But nothing really came of that. Kinda assumed he reasonably focused on MMA after that.
At this point there are guy age focused fully on jiu jitsu.

Mellor

Porthallian wrote: »

His jiu-jitsu is off the charts. Has to be one of the best in Ireland at his age.

Porthallian

Vim Fuego wrote: »

Same as - he's a nice chap, it's jarring to hear the persona speaking. If it gets him paid, I won't begrudge him but it doesn't work for me personally. Beautiful trip to the back take and looked excellent and controlling after that. Great performance.

+1 met him in Strabane when he did a homecoming and taught us a class in his original gym of SBG Strabane. Was about 3 years ago when he was breaking through. Really nice young lad. So helpful and knowledgeable. His jiu-jitsu is off the charts. Has to be one of the best in Ireland at his age.

Just a shame that he still hasn't realized ripping off Conor's persona isn't winning him any fans. But then again if it's getting him main events and the Bellator bosses are liking it then fair enough.

Mr. Karate

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

McGregor wasn't just a mouth either. His was pretty funny and his trash talk was good. He was genuinely entertaining to watch and listen too. He didn't just roar 'I'm the best' over and over again. These guys don't realise it was that part of McGregor we loved (and his fighting as well obviously).

Conor was really witty and charismatic at first. And then he became a caricature of himself. Sadly its the caricature that people like Gallagher are imitating.

AlmightyCushion

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Alot of Irish fighters seem to have this idea that if they act like Conor they'll get his big paydays. Conor atleast backed up his big mouth and did fight the top guys [and lost to some of them] thus earning his pay checks. Discount Conor Gallagher is being protected all the way, fighting cans, and yet is the main event. This will wear thin on the audience eventually.

McGregor wasn't just a mouth either. His was pretty funny and his trash talk was good. He was genuinely entertaining to watch and listen too. He didn't just roar 'I'm the best' over and over again. These guys don't realise it was that part of McGregor we loved (and his fighting as well obviously).

Vim Fuego

rob316 wrote: »

And I've met him a few times, trained with him and he's a really nice kid. The persona is awful though but they all seem to have this mouthy scumbag attitude.

Same as - he's a nice chap, it's jarring to hear the persona speaking. If it gets him paid, I won't begrudge him but it doesn't work for me personally. Beautiful trip to the back take and looked excellent and controlling after that. Great performance.

Mr. Karate

rob316 wrote: »

And I've met him a few times, trained with him and he's a really nice kid. The persona is awful though but they all seem to have this mouthy scumbag attitude.

Alot of Irish fighters seem to have this idea that if they act like Conor they'll get his big paydays. Conor atleast backed up his big mouth and did fight the top guys [and lost to some of them] thus earning his pay checks. Discount Conor Gallagher is being protected all the way, fighting cans, and yet is the main event. This will wear thin on the audience eventually.

AlmightyCushion

rob316 wrote: »

And I've met him a few times, trained with him and he's a really nice kid. The persona is awful though but they all seem to have this mouthy scumbag attitude.

His persona actually puts me off rooting for him. I want to like him, he's Irish so by default I would be rooting for him but that persona just makes me cringe so much.

rob316

Whelo79 wrote: »

His persona is just so unlikeable, I just can't take to him at all. The only thing I actually like about him is his bjj skills. Unquestionably a fantastic talent when it hits the ground. That little move in the scramble, after the initial takedown, to wrap up the leg and transition to the back so quickly and smoothly was beautiful.

And I've met him a few times, trained with him and he's a really nice kid. The persona is awful though but they all seem to have this mouthy scumbag attitude.

jousting with chairs

Brett Johns is in the mix now, I think he schools Gallagher.

DrPhilG

Porthallian wrote: »

Enjoyed everything except his post fight interview. Please stop the Conor impression James. Even changes his accent, it's ludicrous.

"Who do you want to fight next?"
"All of them".

He tries too hard. If he just let his fighting do the talking he'd be grand and win far more fans.

Exactly. The boasting about being the greatest when he has fought a string of bums is obnoxious, but it wouldn't matter if he was the greatest fighter to ever step into the cage. Copying the persona, traits, accent, tattoos, phrases and fecking everything of another person is pathetic and cringy beyond belief.

Porthallian

Enjoyed everything except his post fight interview. Please stop the Conor impression James. Even changes his accent, it's ludicrous.

"Who do you want to fight next?"
"All of them".

He tries too hard. If he just let his fighting do the talking he'd be grand and win far more fans.

The White Feather

I love Gallaghers BJJ. So calm and slick. Does everything right. Ellenor defended well and all but Jimmy looked one step ahead all the time

Whelo79

His persona is just so unlikeable, I just can't take to him at all. The only thing I actually like about him is his bjj skills. Unquestionably a fantastic talent when it hits the ground. That little move in the scramble, after the initial takedown, to wrap up the leg and transition to the back so quickly and smoothly was beautiful.

Mr. Karate

but1er wrote: »

Some choke from Gallagher, impressive.

Time for pettis

Time for someone with a pulse.

rob316

I'll give him credit this time I don't think that guy wasn't a total can, lovely control and work to get the RNC. Ellenor defended it well enough until the end.

but1er

Some choke from Gallagher, impressive.

Time for pettis

LollipopJimmy

Easy work for Gallagher.

rob316

Bellator beat the UFC anyway on fighters with **** tattoos.

but1er

rob316 wrote: »

Andy had that he worked hard from the bottom in the last round. Ward just sat in his gaurd doing nothing.

Shocking scoring really is

rob316

Andy had that he worked hard from the bottom in the last round. Ward just sat in his gaurd doing nothing.

Whelo79

Poor fight alright. That's the type of dry humping exhibition that turns off the casual viewer.

but1er

I have to give it to Andy worked more then Charlie