mrcheez wrote: » https://www.vpr.org/sites/vpr/files/201910/unicorn-istock-MadKruben.png There is too much evidence to deny their existence, even atheists know this.
one world order wrote: » It's more than just a book. God plainly wrote his words to us through the holy spirit and it is up to us to seek out God. Yes the deck is stacked against humanity, the bible says the path to hell is wide and not everyone will accept the truth. Finding yourself in hell after being deceived by the world is cruel but there really should be no excuse. Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven and everyone that has heard of the gospel should know what awaits.
"their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
one world order wrote: » God is more powerful. We have free will to choose, we are either with Jesus or with the Devil. There are 100 million Bible's sold every year, nobody should be without excuse when their time comes. The devil tempts and it is up to us to choose, just like one third of the angels chose the devil before they were all cast out of heaven forever. There is too much evidence for Jesus Christ to deny him, even today people cast out demons in his name and he gives a new heart to the lost and those living in ungodly ways that repent and accept him as their saviour.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Just to save people some time, some quick research told me that this user believes in chemtrails, that climate change is an "agenda", that that the God particle has something to do with God, that COVID was invented in a lab, that Trump has handled COVID better than Europe and, eh, whatever this nonsense is. Who knows what else I could find after another five minutes. Probably not worth talking any sense to this user and better to focus on OP's questions instead.
Sandor Clegane wrote: » I merely attacked a post in which someone claimed humans have been forever cursed because they rebelled against god, do you not see how sadistic that sounds? Humanity forever punished because of what others from a previous time have supposedly done...for instance why should I be cursed? as I said I don't ever remember rebelling against God and proclaiming my love for Satan. You have to ask what kind of a god would do that or set these types of rules and punishments, it's akin to the three generations of punishment rule in North Korea, totally immoral.
mrcheez wrote: » Yes but have YOU seen an atom with your naked eye? Just as there is pictorial evidence of atoms there is similar for unicorns.https://www.vpr.org/sites/vpr/files/201910/unicorn-istock-MadKruben.png There is too much evidence to deny their existence, even atheists know this.
one world order wrote: » Sin entered this world because mankind rebelled against God and believed the lies of the devil. It is an ongoing battle to this day. You can choose to follow this broken and corrupted world that's being controlled by the devil or you can choose to trust the bible and accept what Jesus did for you.
Fanny Cradock wrote: » 1. The purpose of this forum is to discuss Christian belief in general, and specific elements of it, between Christians and non-Christians alike. This forum has the additional purpose of being a point on Boards.ie where Christians may ask other Christians questions about their shared faith. In this regard, Christians should not have to defend their faith from overt or subtle attack.
bcklschaps wrote: » Some interesting documentaries on YouTube about the origins of the bible. In summary, the bible is pretty far from being some divine text. It was clobbered together by Christian scholars in the 5th century AD. And the editorial process ....as you can imagine.... was heavily influenced by the ideas and thinking of the time.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » What about people who were raised with no religious beliefs or people who are Buddhists? Are those people, through no fault of their own, condemned to eternal hell because they dont accept or even recognise Jesus Christ? Thats a bit warped.
Bubbaclaus wrote: » If the God depicted in Christian beliefs was the leader of a country on Earth, it would be a brutal dictatorship where minorities were sent to internment camps.
one world order wrote: » This goes alot deeper than you think. You were born into this world, most likely went through a structured education system based on note taking with no exposure to how the world is run, exposed to a mass produced media every day that's controlled by a few, watched countless films and programs that mocked God's existence and listened to countless songs that has distorted the truth.
one world order wrote: » Do I believe climate change has an agenda to take wealth from the bottom to the top, yes. Do I believe those controlling the world are trying to make us sick, yes. Do I believe HCQ is effective against Covid and the mass produced media discredited it, yes. Is this world controlled by a few that worship Lucifer, most definitely. To you this is nonsense, but again this goes much deeper than you think.
one world order wrote: » It's interesting we have the mockers in this thread trying their best to make a joke of all that we have been warned about. Christianity is the one religion that causes the most hostility among fervent atheists. Currently in America we see churchs been burned down by the Black Lives Matter movement that are following the Devil, Bible's burned in the street, worshippers attacked by mobs as they go to church to pray.
one world order wrote: » It's interesting we have the mockers in this thread trying their best to make a joke of all that we have been warned about. Christianity is the one religion that causes the most hostility among fervent atheists. Currently in America we see churchs been burned down by the Black Lives Matter movement that are following the Devil, Bible's burned in the street, worshippers attacked by mobs as they go to church to pray. All around the world Christians are being persecuted, and we are starting to see glimpses of it in a big western Christian nation now. Jesus always said he would return. In those last days there will have been a falling away from the church, people proud of their sin, wars and rumers of wars, earthquakes and the world in turmoil. These are called birth pains. We are in that final season now. It's up to you to follow the mockers that are trusting the world or to trust the bible which is God's word. One leads to hell and the other to salvation.
one world order wrote: » This goes alot deeper than you think. You were born into this world, most likely went through a structured education system based on note taking with no exposure to how the world is run, exposed to a mass produced media every day that's controlled by a few, watched countless films and programs that mocked God's existence and listened to countless songs that has distorted the truth.Your so deep in this world that the possibility you have been programmed since birth to turn from God is a whole pile of crazy to you. Do I believe climate change has an agenda to take wealth from the bottom to the top, yes. Do I believe those controlling the world are trying to make us sick, yes. Do I believe HCQ is effective against Covid and the mass produced media discredited it, yes. Is this world controlled by a few that worship Lucifer, most definitely. To you this is nonsense, but again this goes much deeper than you think.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I'm gonna guess that this is exactly why you are Christian. You were born into a Christian society, raised by a Christian family, baptised and indoctrinated into Christianity before you even knew what the word religion meant, and have since suffered from a bad case of confirmation bias and have not tried to consider that what you learned growing up might be wrong. You certainly didn't take a more sensible approach of sitting down for a week or two when you were 18, having a read of the Bible, the Koran, the Tipitaka etc. and deciding which one makes the most sense to you. The only reason you personally believe what you believe is because it's the religion you know the most about, no other reason. Please seek help.
looksee wrote: » Just on the highlighted section - have you any idea how many atheists came out of religeous/Christian homes and/or spent many years actually studying the subject and engaging - honestly - in worship? Your argument has a lot in common with people who claim that Trump is maligned because of MSM - go to the source and realise that MSM is not necessary in forming an opinion. Do you realise that even to committed Christians, you are probably doing more harm than good with your theories? My memories of the social aspects of my religious experience are warm and positive, I just can't go along with the basic premise, and especially the people who take it on themselves to put their own interpretation on it and expect everyone else to fall into line.
one world order wrote: » I believe there are many Luke warm Christians that won't be saved. Jesus said because thou art lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. In many Christian churches the full truth is not told. Hell is a real place and many people go there when they finish up in this world. Yes God is loving, he wants everyone to accept Jesus and receive the holy spirit. It is because so many Christians are afraid to speak the full truth, that many continue to keep sinning and don't ever fully become reconciled back to God.
Sandor Clegane wrote: » After listening to some prominent atheists and doing some research the idea that there maybe a god is just as scary as the thought of simply nothing. An all powerful god decides to create the world and humans and then fills the world with such pain and misery and then expects us to worship him constantly, why? It then tries to fill us with fear of his wrath if we disobey in anyway. What kind of a god is it to do that? a very scary one in my honest opinion, I mean if I created life the last thing I would want to do is bestow untold misery on it and then demand it grovels to me, that's insane. How do people reconcile the fact they are worshiping a god that does and behaves this way? We condemn dictators and evil despots for doing this kind of thing but God gets a free pass, why? is it not just as wrong? are people only believing and following out of fear? Also how many religions and gods are there in the world? we only believe in what we believe because of geography...they can't all be true, if we were born in a different era or a different part of the world our beliefs would be totally different, yet Catholics and Christians don't bat an eye in not believing in any other religion or God.. Iv'e been struggling with this lately, id always considered myself a lapsed catholic, I don't attend church but I believed there maybe something, but now the thought of something is just as scary, if not scarier than simply ceasing to exist.
Kyree Icy Reforestation wrote: » Hi Sandor Clegane, I think your picture of God is out of sync. The early believers called the preaching about God 'euangelion' - the Good News. How does that square up to what you described? You have painted an image of a tyrant who demands utter submission while causing untold misery. You are right - if this god existed, the world would be an insane and scary place. I am a Christian, a practicing Catholic. What you described is not the God whom I know. Did you ever consider that you were created by God to spend eternity with Him, in safety and bliss? "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." (Jeremiah 29:11) Did you ever consider that God came and died for you on the cross, to save you from the consequences of your sins? "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." (Luke 19:10) "[Mary] will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for He will save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21) Did you ever consider that God loves you? "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God!" (1 John 3:1) God loves humanity and is very much on our side. He wants to save us from ourselves - that is why He gave us the Commandments. Let's have a quick look: - Thou shall not steal - ensures justice, protection for the weakest; - Thou shall not commit adultery - protects children and spouses from a broken family and the terrible hurt this brings; - Keep holy the Sabbath day - ensures we get proper rest, are not exploited by callous employers etc. The problem of suffering which you mention is a real one. Suffering is undoubtedly part of our lived experience and always will be. Moreover, God allows suffering (notice that He is not the one proverbially smiting people from a cloud). I doubt I would be able to do the problem justice in one post. A few things to remember though: 1) Much of our suffering is self inflicted; 2) We learn from our suffering, sometimes it is the only way we will learn; and 3) Something went wrong at the beginning of man's existence. The Bible shrouds it in mystery (The Garden of Eden narrative), but something is undoubtedly not as it should be. For example, why do we have such powerful inclinations to do evil? Whatever happened, we are still living with the consequences of that event, consequences which translate into major suffering. Peter Kreeft has a good article on the issue, I hope he will make a lot more sense than I do:https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-problem-of-suffering-reconsidered As to the myriad of religions, I think that humanity has a desperate need to reconnect with its Creator. If people cannot know and worship Him in truth, as He is, they will seek out a relationship with Him any way they can. This means writing their own back story, prescribing their own rituals etc. But let's look at the Christian position. Many people think that sure, a Jesus lived 2,000 years ago (there is much extra-biblical evidence for His existence, such as the Letter of Pliny to the Roman Emperor and the writings of Tacitus on the Lives of the Caesars), but that He was just a good man, helping out etc. The problem is that Jesus does not leave this option open for us. He openly claimed to be the Son of God, to be divine. Therefore, He was a) bad, leading people astray for personal gain b)mad, leading people astray because He lost his mind or c) God, as in He was who He said He was. Considering what He taught (love, forgiveness, sacrifice, salvation, friendship with God), if you are unwilling to call Him crazy or evil, than could He possibly be....God? As to the position of Catholicism, consider this authentic account of Christian worship from 155 A.D. You will find that it mirrors the modern Catholic Mass. 2,000 years on, same teaching, same worship. To sum up, do not give up on a relationship with God, who is a loving, caring and merciful God. It is the greatest adventure you could possibly embark on. You will do things you have never dreamed of doing. Sure, looking back on our life, the evil we have done might fill us with dread, but the truth is that every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. At life's end, we will all be judged (because God is also a just God), but the good news is that our sins can be forgiven in the sacrament of Confession. The slate can be made clean. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) [Jesus to disciples]"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” (John 20:23) I would advise you to pray to God, in your own words. Get yourself a copy of the New Testament and the Catechism, study them, get to know God and cease your fear and trembling.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » So unless they are 100% devout they are pretty much condemning themselves to an eternity in hell? What about the people who have never heard of "jesus" how does one "accept Jesus and receive the holy spirit" if they don't know who he is/was?
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Did Jesus actuallu say that, or is it your belief? Because as far as I know biblical historians and theologians are divided on the issue. I'm inclined to call you out on bearing flase witness again.
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