FrancieBrady wrote: » If you explain how partition or almost 70 years of a sectarian bigoted statlet was acceptable to anyone. War/conflict is never an improvement, it is the failure of people that results in war/conflict and should never be celebrated by anybody. But it is...but seemingly it is only ok for certain people to do it...generally the winners. Take your faux outrage about one sides actions somewhere else, somebody might tut tut with you. I will continue to believe that it was ALL wrong, from the beginning and work to create a society where it doesn't happen again.
blanch152 wrote: » You are the one who talks about celebrating killings, not me.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » You didn’t explain how torture of Nationalists by the IRA improved the lot of people up there, or brought a UI closer. Avoiding having to do any serious reflection of your ambivalence towards the glorification of murder.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Bit of light reading for you, horsehttps://irishpeaceprocess.blog/2018/08/29/the-iras-youngest-torture-victim/ Storey was involved in this. A man so loved by SF leadership they traveled up with hundreds of supporters during lockdown to attend his fake funeral. A 15 year old child with a learning disability. Jesus. You’re the lads who have to defend these actions.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I don't and never have glorified murder...I wear neither a lily or a poppy and again and again have said that what happened on this island was wrong, from the beginning. Have you said that or is your outrage reserved for one set of events. Let's hear you for a change condemn it all right from the cause - partition.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Who was celebrating 'killing'? The fact is events were people died are celebrated all the time...we turn a blind eye to the fact that people died and celebrate acts of war all the time.
FrancieBrady wrote: » People, real people died at the Battle Of The Boyne. Real people died in the War of Independence. Thousands of real people died unnecessary deaths in Cologne and Dresden. But we allow people to remember and celebrate those events. In the case of some, it is insisted that they be allowed to remember them. Usual side of the mouth democracy going on with the latest faux outrage.
blanch152 wrote: » No Francie, you use the word celebration, because that is what you do. The rest of us use the word commemoration. There is a difference.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Should the SF southern command team have traveled to Belfast to attend the funeral of the psychopath Bobby Storey? A man who was involved in the torture of children.
grayzer75 wrote: » The OO and their loyalist mates celebrate the 12th of July, they do not commemorate it.
blanch152 wrote: » Anyone who celebrates killing is wrong, thankfully they are not down here looking for my vote. I am not going to defend them in any way. They would get the same short shrift as Sinn Fein.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Thousands turned up at that funeral, why wouldn't his political party members go? Do you never doubt the propaganda you digest? This would be like me rocking up to these forums and questioning why Unionist people turned up in their thousands to bury Ian Paisley, because they felt he had represented and achieved for them.Storey, even to the most jaundiced eye was revered in his community, and was NOT seen as a 'psychopath'. You bandy the phrase around like 'terrorist' - until it is meaningless.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Thousands turned up at that funeral, why wouldn't his political party members go? Do you never doubt the propaganda you digest? This would be like me rocking up to these forums and questioning why Unionist people turned up in their thousands to bury Ian Paisley, because they felt he had represented and achieved for them. Storey, even to the most jaundiced eye was revered in his community, and was NOT seen as a 'psychopath'. You bandy the phrase around like 'terrorist' - until it is meaningless.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » I don’t think you’ll find anyone glorifying the bigotry of the OO on these pages, dude. Or excusing the actions of loyalist paramilitaries.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Storey was a psychopath. A man devoid of feelings of remorse, regret, or sympathy for the very many victims of his years as a hard man for the IRA. Dead children, mutilation, terrorisation of his own community, disappearing people. He was a psychopath, Francie.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You guys and your 'silence' on the collusion and bigotry and sectarianism of the other players says all we need to know. 'Silence' plays a massive part in excusing actions. Take Charlie and his concerns about the messenger and not the content of the Unquiet Graves. Take 5 minutes and imagine yourself into the shoes of one of the bereaved and what that says about what you went through...go on, try, if you have a smidgeon of genuine concern.
blanch152 wrote: » How do you know that? Maybe the large crowd was there to make sure he was dead. However, if you are right, don't you think it is more than a little concerning that a man known for the torture of kids, the murder of innocent people and a raging bully is revered in a community? What does that say about that community?
blanch152 wrote: » Again, which bit of "they are not looking for my vote", do you not understand? The OO are not players in my country, Ireland. They are in Northern Ireland, a different country. I don't go around condemning the KKK in every post, neither do I rant about Farage's party, or the right-wing fascist parties in Poland, Germany and France, not to mention constantly going on about the North Koreans, the Cubans and the Venezuelans, though they are all allies of Sinn Fein at one time or another. Those organisations and parties share a common thread with the OO, they are not looking for my vote. Sinn Fein are looking for my vote, hence the attention paid to them. If any of the others come looking for my vote, you needn't worry, I will post about their threat to my democracy as well.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I know it because I took the time to listen to what people were saying blanch. I didn't dispassionately consume some propaganda about him. I did the same about the likes of Paisley or Billy Wright, also revered in their communities. I didn't form my opinion by reading republican propaganda. It is classic post war/conflict stuff. Those who fought are revered and those on the other side vilified and hated. Same since the beginning of time, look at the memorials across the world for instance.
Yurt! wrote: » Why do FG have their knickers in a twist about a documentary lifting the slates on state collusion? I thought they wanted to seek the truth? Nah, the finer details of a very dark and complex conflict doesn't suit their Punch and Judy political agenda south of Newry. This documentary wasn't focus grouped to an inch of its life and doesn't serve their needs. Johnny's more hot under the collar than usual.
grayzer75 wrote: » Because Charlie doesn't like people having a go at his mate Drew, the guy who tried his best to block the victims families getting to the truth.
afro man wrote: » johnny did you know him personally ? did you ever meet him and why did do many local people feel they needed to turn up to pay respects when he died..
blanch152 wrote: » And I was disgusted by the reverence shown to the likes of Wright as well. You excuse such reverence.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No, I accept the reverence of people on both sides. Because that is what happens in conflict/war societies, during and after. People have to be allowed to remember their dead. I notice you didn't include Paisley there. Interesting in itself.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Bobby Storey was a man who had no issue with torturing children, robbing banks, disappearing people from his own neighbourhood, or organising a clean up of a pub after someone was sliced open from their neck to their torso for getting on the wrong side of another IRA thug. He was a psychopath. And SF bussed up hundreds of fat men in white shirts and black ties to his fake funeral during lockdown. You don’t have to justify this sort of thing if you aren’t a SF supporter. We automatically have the high ground on stuff like this.
