FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

Charlie's just in a huff that his tan commemoration was cancelled deferred on him.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This is not a thread to discuss FG smurgen. Its a SF thread

It's a testament to the ability and quality of Fine Gael that rather than defend or support their party's monkey shines, they need constantly change the subject.

smurgen wrote: »

Charlie Flanagan questioning evidence and attacking RTE. FG seem to have a problem with transparency and truthfulness .

https://twitter.com/darraghmackin/status/1311614388101619712?s=19

This is not a thread to discuss FG smurgen. Its a SF thread

smurgen

Charlie Flanagan questioning evidence and attacking RTE. FG seem to have a problem with transparency and truthfulness .

https://twitter.com/darraghmackin/status/1311614388101619712?s=19

Truthvader wrote: »

Only one groups thuggery is being promoted and justified here. For example you are the person who pretends that IRA members had "no choice" but to involve themselves in murder. Well young Dessie Ellis in his free house out in Finglas going about his day repairing tellies seems to me to have plenty of choice. Could have gone to the pub or fishing but decided instead to involve himself in sectarian thuggery by incinerating and mutilating innocent people he had never met. I am tempted to as what your relatives were doing when killed by security forces but will only say for now that the mutilation of one person by Dessie Ellis did nothing for your family members one way or the other.

Not interested in one sided anything but the Glenanne gang dont seem to be represented here nor are the running candidates

*yawn*
You bring up the same one sided biased discussion on numerous threads. Society has more current issues to concern itself with. Maybe if FF/FG concentrated on their own jobs we might fare better. Certainly the students missing a year would.

Truthvader wrote: »

So silence now "represents" the Glenanne gang?? Even you must know this is rubbish

So who was attacking Dessie Ellis as he went about his days work in Finglas?

It's fairly typical you are reduced to fulminating and frothing about one person.

Read slowly...people had no choice but to meet violence with violence to defend themselves. Because nobody in power took responsibility the conflict/war escalated.
As Harold Wilson knew people in the south were going to be radicalised and get involved. Research the period he was in power and he actually says it.
Why do people get radicalised? Because 'they' feel they have no choice.

You may not like that, but that don't change the fact.

Is Ellis committed to the GFA and democratic means? I see nothing to suppose otherwise.

I don't object to any of the players who signed up to the GFA being in elected positions whether they be Republican, Loyalist, Unionist or British.

But you, the so called democrat do.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You’re raving, dude.

Not since the early 90's

So seems Leo and Harris knew all along the results were wrong.

In this together and accountability, 2 things this Govt is not

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Silence represents the Glennane Gang just as profoundly as vocal support.

I have never vocally supported violence Truth. Either here or any where else.

Your willful misunderstanding of the 'no choice' point is typical too. People had to defend themselves violently because they were being violently oppressed.

Once that was allowed to begin then we descended into the conflict/war as happened everywhere in the world were responsibilities were ignored. A more thoughtful and responsible British PM (Harold Wilson) knew this in '69 and tried not to enflame the situation. Tragically he was replaced and we know what happened, the inevitable.

So silence now "represents" the Glenanne gang?? Even you must know this is rubbish

So who was attacking Dessie Ellis as he went about his days work in Finglas?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You'll have to explain how Warrington, Enniskillen, the torture and murder of Bernard Teggart (a 15 year old with the mental age of 8) were justified.

Hundreds more examples. Take your time, Francie.

I have never justfied any of it Johnny as you well know.

It was all wrong from the start.

But you guys don't want to go near the start or the reasons it happened.

You'll have to explain how Warrington, Enniskillen, the torture and murder of Bernard Teggart (a 15 year old with the mental age of 8) were justified.

Hundreds more examples. Take your time, Francie.

Truthvader wrote: »

Only one groups thuggery is being promoted and justified here. For example you are the person who pretends that IRA members had "no choice" but to involve themselves in murder. Well young Dessie Ellis in his free house out in Finglas going about his day repairing tellies seems to me to have plenty of choice. Could have gone to the pub or fishing but decided instead to involve himself in sectarian thuggery by incinerating and mutilating innocent people he had never met. I am tempted to as what your relatives were doing when killed by security forces but will only say for now that the mutilation of one person by Dessie Ellis did nothing for your family members one way or the other.

Not interested in one sided anything but the Glenanne gang dont seem to be represented here nor are the running candidates

Silence represents the Glennane Gang just as profoundly as vocal support.

I have never vocally supported violence Truth. Either here or any where else.

Your willful misunderstanding of the 'no choice' point is typical too. People had to defend themselves violently because they were being violently oppressed.

Once that was allowed to begin then we descended into the conflict/war as happened everywhere in the world were responsibilities were ignored. A more thoughtful and responsible British PM (Harold Wilson) knew this in '69 and tried not to enflame the situation. Tragically he was replaced and we know what happened, the inevitable.

Bowie wrote: »

The hurt of coming third still bites huh?
Its politics JF. Could all change next time. Chin up.
FORE!

You’re raving, dude.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It isn't easy to accept International Peace agreements, I know. Members of my family were killed by security forces.

But I want a normal peaceful society. I accept that terrible terrible things were done by all players, not just one group.

You want onesided retribution. Fire away, the electorate are telling you in ever increasing numbers how that is going to go.

Only one groups thuggery is being promoted and justified here. For example you are the person who pretends that IRA members had "no choice" but to involve themselves in murder. Well young Dessie Ellis in his free house out in Finglas going about his day repairing tellies seems to me to have plenty of choice. Could have gone to the pub or fishing but decided instead to involve himself in sectarian thuggery by incinerating and mutilating innocent people he had never met. I am tempted to as what your relatives were doing when killed by security forces but will only say for now that the mutilation of one person by Dessie Ellis did nothing for your family members one way or the other.

Not interested in one sided anything but the Glenanne gang dont seem to be represented here nor are the running candidates

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’m happy the conflict is over as well, dude. Doesn’t mean you have to accept a political party that doesn’t recognise the legitimacy of the country, and glorifies fat psychopaths like Storey , sticking their claws into our democracy.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

The hurt of coming third still bites huh?
Its politics JF. Could all change next time. Chin up.
FORE!

Truthvader wrote: »

Bullcrap. The GFA is a done deal . What you and Sinn Fein want is a pretendy unreality where not only do all the criminal scum get away with murder but that the rest of is cant mention it or remind everyone what calibre of subhuman thug makes up the core of Sinn

The likes of Dessie Ellis, living in a free house provided by the state decided to involve himself by making bombs to kill people he had never met. That makes him a vile person and any decent person should call him out as the wretched coward and killer he is at every opportunity

It isn't easy to accept International Peace agreements, I know. Members of my family were killed by security forces.

But I want a normal peaceful society. I accept that terrible terrible things were done by all players, not just one group.

You want onesided retribution. Fire away, the electorate are telling you in ever increasing numbers how that is going to go.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am happy with what I agreed to in the GFA. That the conflict/war is over and that all players and signatories are finished with it.

I accepted that all parties were going to behave democratically and that the island would be demilitarised and the gun on all sides put away.

You clearly haven't accepted that.

Bullcrap. The GFA is a done deal . What you and Sinn Fein want is a pretendy unreality where not only do all the criminal scum get away with murder but that the rest of is cant mention it or remind everyone what calibre of subhuman thug makes up the core of Sinn

The likes of Dessie Ellis, living in a free house provided by the state decided to involve himself by making bombs to kill people he had never met. That makes him a vile person and any decent person should call him out as the wretched coward and killer he is at every opportunity

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He served 10 years in prison. He was acquitted of having to be extradited to England.

Ellis is a mass murderer. So was Bobby Storey. That’s the sort of level SF operate at. Most of you seem to be ok with that. I’m really glad I don’t think like you lads though. Yuck.

Think you might need to read up on that John.

Due to be released in April 1990, Ellis was served with a warrant for his extradition to Britain where it was alleged he conspired with three other men to cause explosions in Britain between 1981 and 1983.

In October 1990 he went on hunger strike, protesting his extradition to the UK. The strike lasted 37 days during which time he lost over two stone and was barely able to walk.

He was eventually acquitted of the charges at a court in London and went on to become a politician.

There was no charges that would convict him of having to be extradited, he was to be extradited to face charges in the UK, those being

alleged he conspired with three other men to cause explosions in Britain between 1981 and 1983.

When he was extradited regardless, he was acquitted in a UK court, not of "his extradition" he was acquitted on the aforementioned charges of conspiring to cause explosions in the UK between 81-83.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dessie-ellis-ira-murders-733096-Dec2012/

You don't have to like the man, you don't even have to believe in the legitimacy of his acquittal, you should however be forced to acknowledge it because it happened whether you like it or not.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’m happy the conflict is over as well, dude. Doesn’t mean you have to accept a political party that doesn’t recognise the legitimacy of the country, and glorifies fat psychopaths like Storey , sticking their claws into our democracy.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Well they will be in charge soon, Tiocfaidh ár lá

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am happy with what I agreed to in the GFA. That the conflict/war is over and that all players and signatories are finished with it.

I accepted that all parties were going to behave democratically.

You clearly haven't accepted that.

I’m happy the conflict is over as well, dude. Doesn’t mean you have to accept a political party that doesn’t recognise the legitimacy of the country, and glorifies fat psychopaths like Storey , sticking their claws into our democracy.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He served 10 years in prison. He was acquitted of having to be extradited to England.

Ellis is a mass murderer. So was Bobby Storey. That’s the sort of level SF operate at. Most of you seem to be ok with that. I’m really glad I don’t think like you lads though. Yuck.

I am happy with what I agreed to in the GFA. That the conflict/war is over and that all players and signatories are finished with it.

I accepted that all parties were going to behave democratically and that the island would be demilitarised and the gun on all sides put away.

You clearly haven't accepted that.

McMurphy wrote: »

I think the "ha ha" was aimed at linking to an article that clearly stated a person was acquitted of something they're insinuating they're guilty of.

Stop with the faux shock horror.

He served 10 years in prison. He was acquitted of having to be extradited to England.

Ellis is a mass murderer. So was Bobby Storey. That’s the sort of level SF operate at. Most of you seem to be ok with that. I’m really glad I don’t think like you lads though. Yuck.

Truthvader wrote: »

Hilarious, murder is such a lark. Ho ho ho

The haha was you posting a link about a man who was "acquitted" i.e free from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilt

Truthvader wrote: »

Hilarious, murder is such a lark. Ho ho ho

I think the "ha ha" was aimed at linking to an article that clearly stated a person was acquitted of something they're insinuating they're guilty of.

Stop with the faux shock horror.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Hahahahah They just cant help themselves

Hilarious, murder is such a lark. Ho ho ho

McMurphy wrote: »

From that article.

acquitted

I keep saying it...how do you spot a FG fanatic?...they will invariably believe an allegation if it is made against a republican or shinner.

No proof required.

McMurphy wrote: »

From that article.

acquitted

Hahahahah They just cant help themselves

smurgen wrote: »

That's the burden of evidence? With that logic Drew Harris is a spy who's coving up collusion of 120 murders and needs to be removed/arrested immediately. His successor in the north has restarted an investigation he shut down without explanation.

https://www.thejournal.ie/glenanne-gang-investigation-psni-4713122-Jul2019/#comments

I’m in favour of all atrocities carried out by paramilitaries and terrorists in Norn Iron to be investigated. The Glennane Gang, the IRA Nutting Squad, the murder of Paul Quinn etc.

You don’t get to pick and choose. There isn’t a hierarchy for this. The reality is it doesn’t suit anyone involved in the entire sordid and nasty conflict known as the troubles to have a truth and reconciliation commission. Psychopaths aren’t into retrospection. And the party you support has psychopaths operating at its very highest levels.

smurgen

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-sinn-fein-td-who-is-linked-to-50-murders-28951973.html

That's the burden of evidence? With that logic Drew Harris is a spy who's coving up collusion of 120 murders and needs to be removed/arrested immediately. His successor in the north has restarted an investigation he shut down without explanation.

https://www.thejournal.ie/glenanne-gang-investigation-psni-4713122-Jul2019/#comments