Deleted User wrote: » Thing is, America's role in the world is not simply World Police. Getting the world back on track after covid is gonna be a collective global initiative. Trump seems like he'll have decimate the US if he gets another term. Geopolitically they're already heavily damaged.
Accompanying this overwhelmingly dominant political and economic ideology was an American geopolitical vision equally grandiose in ambition and equally blind to the lessons of history. This was summed up in the memorandum on “Defence Planning Guidance 1994-1999,” drawn up in April 1992 for the Bush Senior administration by Under-Secretary of Defence Paul Wolfowitz and Lewis “Scooter” Libby, and subsequently leaked to the media. Its central message was: “The US must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests… We must maintain the mechanism for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role…”source
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Be careful, Democrats are traditionally the big war party of the United States and guess who the discredited Neocons that bought us Gulf war II are supporting?World War I - Woodrow Wilson (D) World War II - Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) Korean War - Harry S. Truman(D), Eisenhower (R) Vietnam War - John F. Kennedy (D), Lyndon B Johnson (D) Gulf War I - George Bush (R) Gulf War II - George W Bush (R) & his VP Dick Cheney Destruction of Libya - Barack Obama (D) The Democrats have their interventionist doctrine called responsibility to protect (R2P), heavily promoted by Irish American Samantha Power, that was used as the justification to collapse Libya (an oil producing country), the Neocons call their doctrine bringing freedom and democracy to oppressed countries. (that have oil). Since the war mongers have decamped to the Democrats for this election cycle, why would this be relevant? Trump did not start the war in Afghanistan, his administration is negotiating their exit. As commander in chief he could just order the American troops home and then he would be impeached. The US military found no proof of the allegation of bounties on soldiers. Why would that story circulate? who benefits by that story? As regards the goings on in Belarus, what proof do you have? I personally doubt the Americans have much interest in a backwater country with no oil or strategic significance to them. I can understand why the leadership of that country and Russia would want to paint the opposition as American operatives and plant such disinformation.
kyote00 wrote: » Don't put WWI and WWII on that list - there was very little other choice if the US and Russia didn't sacrifice so much and join those wars.... Thats leaves Vietnam and Libya to Dems and Gulfs to Reps..... i make it even steven. They would both sell their mothers for a barrel of oil or a quick buck. Donnie on the other hand is they guy who arrives at the fight saying "hold me back" while doing nothing
kyote00 wrote: » Don't put WWI and WWII on that list - there was very little other choice if the US and Russia didn't sacrifice so much and join those wars....
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Oh no you don't. The great war (aka WWI) could have ended a year earlier without the progressive Wilsons intervention "to make the world safe for democracy" and without them the unintended consequences that played out in Germany and Russia, contributing to the rise of totalitarian regimes and another world war would not have happened. Imagine a world with no Hitler, no Lenin, no Stalin, no cold war, and no nuclear weapons it would have been possible had the United States stayed out of WW1.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Be careful, Democrats are traditionally the big war party of the United States and guess who the discredited Neocons that bought us Gulf war II are supporting?World War I - Woodrow Wilson (D) World War II - Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) Korean War - Harry S. Truman(D), Eisenhower (R) Vietnam War - John F. Kennedy (D), Lyndon B Johnson (D) Gulf War I - George Bush (R) Gulf War II - George W Bush (R) & his VP Dick Cheney Destruction of Libya - Barack Obama (D)
namloc1980 wrote: » The Russian Bolshevik revolution had already kicked off by the time US intervened in WWI. This whole post is a massive leap of whataboutery and whatifs.
When the czarist regime of Nicholas II collapsed in mid-March 1917, a Provisional Government headed by former Foreign Minister Alexander Kerensky was formed, with an intended goal of sustaining a parliamentary democracy. But confusion and low morale reigned on Russia’s battlefronts, and the Kerensky government was forced to confront an immediate fiscal crisis. Kerensky hoped to exit the war and build a stable polity, but state bankruptcy loomed. Western powers were approached for financial support, and President Wilson sent former Secretary of State Elihu Root , then 72 years old, to Petrograd to negotiate. Root offered the Russians $325 million in war loans, equivalent to about $6.4 billion today, but only if they stayed in the war. Kerensky balked but soon relented, feeling he had no choice; the Russians took the American money and launched new offensives against the Germans in July and August of 1917.These failed, causing Kerensly to lose credibility and support with the Russian people and army. By October, Lenin was on the doorstep to power, taking it in the November 7 revolution. Soon thereafter Lenin and Trotsky concluded a peace with Germany at Brest-Litovsk. It included the surrender of vast territories including the Baltic states to Germany. While this treaty was annulled at Versailles, it did give Lenin legitimacy for ending the war that had eluded Kerensky, as well as breathing room to begin consolidating Bolshevik power via the Russian Civil War (1917-22).source
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Check your timelines, without the loan from the Americans to stay in the war the Russians could have withdrawn been spared the fall to the Bolshevics.
If the U.S. had stayed out of the war, it seems likely there would have been some kind of negotiated settlement. Neither the Allied Powers (France, Britain, Russia, Italy, Japan, and several smaller states) nor the Central Powers (Germany, Austria‐Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and Bulgaria) would have gained everything they wanted from a negotiated settlement. Both sides would have complained. But a catastrophe would have been less likely after a negotiated settlement than after vindictive terms were forced on the losers.
Hillary wouldn't have cut back on the US Pandemic Office, or removed the staff involved in engaging with China on such matters and so America would have been better prepared for the Pandemic and from January would have ramped up easily accessible testing facilities, production of masks and sanitisers and would have had a clear very widespread communication message from the CDC on all TV stations and social media which advocated for Social Distancing, Washing Hands, Wearing Masks and Working from home and that America would have done that with a high rate of compliance in March and April and ultimately the Covid Death Toll was kept under 10,000 and America didn't see anything like the long term lock downs experienced elsewhere and in fact, their pragmatism encouraged similar practices in places like the UK which was equally successful
namloc1980 wrote: » That's some serious revisionism. You think the Bolsheviks would have just melted away?
whiskeyman wrote: » Hope the mods don't mind a new thread, but I just want to see how many of us think Trump will beat Biden in Nov? I think he just has so much of a populist ground swell and I wouldn't be surprised if 'external' participants get involved in the process. Do you think he'll get reelected? Where will that leave America?
bmc58 wrote: » He will win again.China is scared *****ess of him.He is really the only world leader who has the bal*s to stand up to China and put his country first.China's tendrils are everywhere now.Time to put manners on Chi Chi Ping and his ilk.
Silentcorner wrote: » Pelosi again suggests Biden shouldn't participate in the debate...it's a weird way to downplay expectations or does she actually mean it? ....
Location: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland Moderator: "Fox News Sunday" anchor Chris Wallace. Format: The commission said that this debate will be "divided into six segments of approximately 15 minutes each." Wallace has chosen six topics, subject to change: The Trump and Biden Records The Supreme Court COVID-19 The Economy Race and Violence in our Cities The Integrity of the Election source
Silentcorner wrote: » Pelosi again suggests Biden shouldn't participate in the debate...it's a weird way to downplay expectations or does she actually mean it? Something about Trumps relationship with the truth.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-bother-pelosi-repeats-biden-should-skip-debates/ar-BB19qe5q?ocid=st Did she ever press charges against that Salon owner that fooled her into booking a hair appointment contra to Covid restrictions embarrassing the 3rd most powerful elected person in the US?
namloc1980 wrote: » You must be the only person in the Western world still going on about Nancy Pelosi and her haircut.
Igotadose wrote: » It's an enormous employer, both directly for the military and indirectly through the giant contractors. And all the SMB's that are in that ecosystem. This gives 'the military' a lot of sway in politics; try closing a military base, even one for submarines in Idaho. Can't be done.
I'm sure your mayor has no military chain of command. Can he approach his reps and ask for the base to be closed? And get reelected? That's what I meant about 'running things.' You really see this in the southern US.
Labor leaders have worked for months to sell their members on Biden, hoping to avoid a repeat of 2016 when Donald Trump outperformed among union members and won the White House. But despite a bevy of national union endorsements for Biden and years of what leaders call attacks on organized labor from the Trump administration, local officials in critical battleground states said support for Trump remains solid. “We haven’t moved the needle here,” said Mike Knisley, executive secretary-treasurer with the Ohio State Building and Construction Trades Council, who estimated that about half of his members voted for Trump in 2016 and will do so again. “Even if given all the information that’s been put out there, all the facts — just pick an issue that the president has had his hands in — it doesn’t make a difference.”source
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Rank-and-file union members snub Biden for Trump Voter registration (Pennsylvania)https://twitter.com/mantlehog/status/1308147118666854406Texas voter registration smashes record as Trump-Biden showdown loomsRepublicans closing voter registration gap in Florida: report
irelandrover wrote: » Do you have to state which party you support when you register to vote. Or how is it known who new voters will vote for?
Manic Moran wrote: » That's fair, but how is that any difference from the influence of other regional industry such as the auto industry in the north, the mining/steel industries in the MidWest and West, the energy industries in the NW or SE, etc, and so on?
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Trump working non-stop as usual.
Tell me how wrote: » He has golfed way more than Obama. He watches about 8 hours TV a day. The had to cut down his intelligence briefings to one page because he wouldn't read anything any longer. He'd sleep on the floor if there was work in the bed.
