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Daughter not happy with LC results - anyone else?

Upthewalls1

Is my daughter the only one that isnt happy with her results? I feel for her, she worked so so hard from after Halloween last year, she really was set to do quite well in the exams (alot better than her predicted grades anyway). She had a bad 5th year, health and personal problems and her class tests wouldnt have been great. Shes so sad that her hard work was never seen or taken into account. And to add to it, the whole country seems to have done better than expected! She has more points than would be needed for her course going on last years points requirments but how much will they rise I wonder? What do people think? Are they likely to go up by 10, 20 points? 50 points? The wait til Friday is torture.

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LuckyLloyd

IgoPAP wrote: »

It's difficult to overstate just how catastrophically terrible the decision was to cancel the LC exam.

And even more so because of the reason they did it - to appease opportunistic students that saw a way to get their exams cancelled and fought for it with all their might.

“Catastrophic”...seems a completely strange and incorrect description for what has occurred. The most important thing in an education system is progression and the DoE has achieved that in the context of a national emergency that made running exams a logistical nightmare at best.

Overall:

- kids didn’t need to sit the exam
- they got higher grades on average than if they had sat the exam
- there are more college places to be acquired from their exam results
- if they don’t like it they can do the exam in November

“Catastrophic”...how? In the midst of a pandemic a small percentage of edge cases complaining that they were absolutely certain to do better in the exam is very far from a catastrophe.

spurious

The drama here from some quarters is something else.
Call the Abbey.

randylonghorn

spurious wrote: »

Call the Abbey.

They're closed due to Covid-19.

soso02

_Brian wrote: »

Some students locally aren’t accepting offers but will reapply next year because the points for courses will fall back yet they will retain their higher points giving them a better position.

This won't happen.

To level the playing field, the marking scheme will be adjusted to ensure next year's results are in line with the this year's inflated ones.

rainbowtrout

soso02 wrote: »

This won't happen.

To level the playing field, the marking scheme will be adjusted to ensure next year's results are in line with the this year's inflated ones.

Said who? Do you work for the SEC?

randylonghorn

Tbh, that's going to be an ongoing issue.

How can next year's results be adjusted to align with this year's curve without further disadvantaging candidates from pre-2020 who apply to college next year?

And if aligned with more normal years, this year's cohort (or the bulk of them anyway) will pretty much be permanently advantaged in terms of college applications.

I really can't see a way how you can completely level the playing field, there's going to be an ongoing blip of some sort.

bobbyy gee

it will be worse next year as they mark harder
a lot of people got A when they should got B
next year it will be more C

Wanderer78

randylonghorn wrote:

I really can't see a way how you can completely level the playing field, there's going to be an ongoing blip of some sort.

Our educational system has never been level anyway, so hopefully this is the beginning of a leveling phase, hopefully we re brave enough to persist with it

Millionaire only not

In the last few days there absolute no talk about leaving cert - twitter , and here everyone is gone quiet bar the few court cases pending!
It must be a sign people in general were happy !

Wanderer78

Millionaire only not wrote: »

In the last few days there absolute no talk about leaving cert - twitter , and here everyone is gone quiet bar the few court cases pending!
It must be a sign people in general were happy !

could be interpreted a million ways, maybe people are just getting on with it, whos knows

IgoPAP

Wanderer78 wrote: »

could be interpreted a million ways, maybe people are just getting on with it, whos knows

Probably because most people have more serious concerns to contend with in the midst of the pandemic than some private school students throwing a hissy fit because for the first time in their lives they didn't get what they wanted.

Wanderer78

IgoPAP wrote: »

Probably because most people have more serious concerns to contend with in the midst of the pandemic than some private school students throwing a hissy fit because for the first time in their lives they didn't get what they wanted.

ah to be fair, id say theres plenty of students in both public and private that are disappointed

spurious

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah to be fair, id say theres plenty of students in both public and private that are disappointed

Such a difference to every other year.

Quantum Erasure

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Our educational system has never been level anyway, so hopefully this is the beginning of a leveling phase, hopefully we re brave enough to persist with it

How do you mean?

Wanderer78

spurious wrote: »

Such a difference to every other year.

true, but our system badly needs to change radially, this could be our opportunity to do it

spurious

Wanderer78 wrote: »

true, but our system badly needs to change radially, this could be our opportunity to do it

Oh I don't disagree. I have long been a fan of the LCA system of assessment - modules, tasks, interviews with an external assessor about what you did (that soon sorts out the wafflers), the two year course split into four and marks towards the terminal marks garnered as early as the first few weeks of 5th year - a great system.

However, it would cost an enormous amount of money and we know what that means in the Irish education system.

Wanderer78

spurious wrote: »

Oh I don't disagree. I have long been a fan of the LCA system of assessment - modules, tasks, interviews with an external assessor about what you did (that soon sorts out the wafflers), the two year course split into four and marks towards the terminal marks garnered as early as the first few weeks of 5th year - a great system.

However, it would cost an enormous amount of money and we know what that means in the Irish education system.

ah moneys cheap now, best time ever to borrow it, and plough on with changes

rainbowtrout

Millionaire only not wrote: »

In the last few days there absolute no talk about leaving cert - twitter , and here everyone is gone quiet bar the few court cases pending!
It must be a sign people in general were happy !

Most students take one of their offers every year, some go working, some take a year out, some repeat. Despite the omnishambles this year, the exact same will happen.

Orientation started in NUIG this week, so students didn't get much time to accept and start. There was only 7-8 days between last day of acceptance and first orientation day. Decisions had to be made fast.

joeguevara

Was chatting to a guy in work today about the leaving and current situation. He said that he would let everyone have their first choice. No worries about space as it will probably be zoom lecture for the year. Then filter it out based on first year results. Made a lot of sense.

bobbyy gee

joeguevara wrote: »

Was chatting to a guy in work today about the leaving and current situation. He said that he would let everyone have their first choice. No worries about space as it will probably be zoom lecture for the year. Then filter it out based on first year results. Made a lot of sense.

you don't want students wasting year of their life if they can't keep up

Wanderer78

bobbyy gee wrote:

you don't want students wasting year of their life if they can't keep up

Drop out rates are fairly high anyway, in the first couple of months, giving folks a chance to see if they like their preferred option, makes sense

TheBlackPill

bobbyy gee wrote: »

you don't want students wasting year of their life if they can't keep up

Then it is on the student and their parents to supply the reality check. There are huge dropout rates in STEM, particular in the IT because a lot of eejits think a C or D or whatever the modern equivalent is a sufficient standard. Before the points system circa 700 1st year medics would be whittled down to 100 by 2nd year. Unfortunately 3rd level doesnt fail people anymore so may not be able to use the 1st year exams as a surrogate for the the Leaving cert points.

bobbyy gee

Now she can take test

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/applications-to-sit-2020-leaving-cert-exams-open-on-monday-1.4364921?mode=amp

History Queen

joeguevara wrote: »

Was chatting to a guy in work today about the leaving and current situation. He said that he would let everyone have their first choice. No worries about space as it will probably be zoom lecture for the year. Then filter it out based on first year results. Made a lot of sense.

Not sure how it would work for lecturers and tutors. Big difference in monitering progress and correcting work for 25 students a term vs 150 or whatever number would now get the place.college isnt just lectures.

Iodine1

joeguevara wrote: »

Was chatting to a guy in work today about the leaving and current situation. He said that he would let everyone have their first choice. No worries about space as it will probably be zoom lecture for the year. Then filter it out based on first year results. Made a lot of sense.

This line was being peddled by a Sinn Fein TD and it's more populist nonsense. Where are they going to get all the laboratory space for practicals, language pods, etc etc. Only a minority drop out of most good courses. And in many cases first year doesn't reflect the course, but people mature and out of parents influence start to think for themselves. A better focus on career guidance in transition year is the way to help students choose something suitable I think.

Wanderer78

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Then it is on the student and their parents to supply the reality check. There are huge dropout rates in STEM, particular in the IT because a lot of eejits think a C or D or whatever the modern equivalent is a sufficient standard. Before the points system circa 700 1st year medics would be whittled down to 100 by 2nd year. Unfortunately 3rd level doesnt fail people anymore so may not be able to use the 1st year exams as a surrogate for the the Leaving cert points.

maybe we should begin to change our system in its entirety, so that it is much more fairer and provides people with their actual needs

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe we should begin to change our system in its entirety, so that it is much more fairer and provides people with their actual needs

No we should note change the system. The system provides educations and is very fair at the moment. at the moment to the universities you are an exam number with a points tally, gained from an anonymously marked system, where corruption is next to impossible

Wanderer78

TheBlackPill wrote: »

No we should note change the system. The system provides educations and is very fair at the moment. at the moment to the universities you are an exam number with a points tally, gained from an anonymously marked system, where corruption is next to impossible

our system is far from fair, it only truly promotes a typical type of brain, and punishes those that do not have this type of mind, it has become one big joint competition, that ultimately fails everyone

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

our system is far from fair, it only truly promotes a typical type of brain, and punishes those that do not have this type of mind, it has become one big joint competition, that ultimately fails everyone

There are loads of options for the non academic minded. there is LCVP, LCAP, feeding into trades and vocational training. university course and ITs are intellectual courses and the Leaving cert points system with it absolutely transparent, performance based measure(points) is very fair. Incidentally there is a high correlation with dropout rates in STEM courses and lower maths attainment in LC. You are absolutely going to struggle with engineering/science if you have less than a B grade LEaving cert honours maths and no amount of wailing about different abilities, and learning styles and brain types is going to change this

Wanderer78

TheBlackPill wrote: »

There are loads of options for the non academic minded. there is LCVP, LCAP, feeding into trades and vocational training. university course and ITs are intellectual courses and the Leaving cert points system with it absolutely transparent, performance based measure(points) is very fair. Incidentally there is a high correlation with dropout rates in STEM courses and lower maths attainment in LC. You are absolutely going to struggle with engineering/science if you have less than a B grade LEaving cert honours maths and no amount of wailing about different abilities, and learning styles and brain types is going to change this

as you can see, from even your own post above, our educational system largely fails these different types of minds, and methods of thinking, particularly at the earlier stages, our educational system is academically biased, from primary level onwards. if your mind is not academically wired, you may forget about it! you ll probably spend your time chasing your tail within the system, eventually getting fired out, thinking, you re simply too stupid, this is wrong! society needs all sorts of differently wired minds, from academically, to trades, to creative, to this, to that, but our system doesnt facilitate these alternatives very well, if at all. dramatic change is urgently needed, but are we now willing to step into that world!