Mardy Bum wrote: » Irish teachers are amongst the the best on the planet despite having one of the lowest investment rates in the OECD. Irish teachers are not babysitters. We will uphold our already diminished conditions as they are rather than letting them deteriorate to the point where every second newspaper article is lamenting the state of the sector (which is the position currently held by the HSE).
beauf wrote: » Have that done that since March? Kids and teens have been hanging around each other all summer. Has it caused a spread. If not why not. We've really only seen an increase since adults increased contact with each. I'm not saying it hasn't happened with younger kids. But its not reflected in the stats. (that we are are aware of).
Padre_Pio wrote: » Big difference between groups of maybe 5-20 teens hanging out and 30 per class in a school of 500.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » What clubs have a few hundred members? Most sports clubs are not using changing rooms and kids arrive dressed for the sport in question. Certain schools are still using changing rooms for some reason. This is the problem with local arrangements. One school I know of, in our locality, still use changing rooms, lockers, dont give mask breaks and prohibit class taking place outdoors, seems daft to me The pinch points in schools are crowding on buses, changing rooms, corridors, canteens and classrooms. None of these compare to training with 30 kids outdoors during the summer. (most of these areas shud have been addressed but haven't been as far as I can I see)
jetfiremuck wrote: » And the heating on full blast windows closed....coming months.
Polka_Dot wrote: » Even if the situations were comparable, and if children did not pass it to each other (there is ever growing evidence that this is not the case), we are now looking at a situation where children and adults are mixing. Schools are doing their best to keep teachers and students at a distance, but what if a teacher were to cause an outbreak in a school?
terenc wrote: » Lets face it a lot of Irish parents believe that is exactly what you are "babysitters"
beauf wrote: » Then they'll have to rethink it.
beauf wrote: » Lots of clubs have hundred of members. we have about 80 in the same age group. Multiple that across age groups, then siblings and coaches going between age groups. You do training or matches, you have them all in close physical contact. Breathing hard touching the same ball and each other. If there are schools insisting not taking any preoccupations, doing a load of stupid things that you mention, and going on as normal, that really their own fault, no one else's.
Polka_Dot wrote: » Rethink what? What do you suggest we do instead?
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Most sports don't require everyone to be in close contact bar who you might be marking and a handful of others. Certainly not 80 in close contact. I'd blame the guidelines allowing scope for some clown managers to interpret them as the see fit.
beauf wrote: » Well we could go back to lock down and distance learning. Only this time, identify the teachers and schools who have negligible contact with their pupils and penalize them.
Get Real wrote: » Prison officers that have been on top of inmates without equipment/proper ppe. Gardai arresting a shoplifter or drug dealer or being spat at, with a lack of ppe or sitting with a mental health person for hours. General body searching and bodily fluids. A clerical officer sitting in a courtroom for 7 or 8 hours calling 80plus people. A Dublin bus driver. Hospital staff/fire brigade (although in fairness these were prioritised with ppe) There are going to be scenarios that the covid recommendations don't fit all boxes. You're not going to have it 100% great. In the classroom it's insofar as practicable. Which isn't ideal. I agree there are issues for teachers, but disagree there's no comparison. There's plenty of comparison with other sectors that have been dealing with this on an ad hoc basis since early March.
beauf wrote: » Even in IT lots of companies took in hundred of old dirty laptops, and reconditioned and repurposed them back out to staff WFH. Any PC or laptop sucked in air and dusk, then blows it out again. Imagine the IT gear in a hospital. Same thing in cars.
Polka_Dot wrote: » Now you're getting it - there needs to be something in place for these situations and at present there isn't. It's just not good enough to say that kids have been mixing since March so it's all fine. This is a totally different situation, where we have received very little clarity and where things continue to be muddied. Regarding your second point, I really don't think you can penalise schools who are trying their best but where the guidelines are nearly impossible to implement.
beauf wrote: » Our schools have taken a load of precautions. They've worked their asses off. They aren't giving up a the first hurdle, they are giving it a go, if it becomes a problem they are adjusting and changing to suit. If there's a close contact getting tested, that class stops until they get the all clear then resume.
rainbowtrout wrote: » That's not what's happening on the ground if you go back and read the thread. My school had a case, HSE told us the student had no close contacts in the school so no further testing needed. Other schools get shut down/have whole classes sent home. There are huge inconsistencies, and seemingly it doesn't seem to matter if the student had close contacts outside the school that attend the same school as them, once they weren't within 2 metres of them for 15 minutes during the school day. This was not a decision taken by the school, this was a decision from the HSE.
beauf wrote: » ..and did you have a lot, a few or any other cases in the same class the student.
beauf wrote: » I'm not entirely sure if you are serious. They train in close contact. They have tackle all over the pitch and if you see younger kids play its like a scrum, in a big huddle. That that repeats in every group. Its also airborne and you are running through each others air.
Dav010 wrote: » Just what the country needs, a teachers strike which causes students to miss more school time and forces parents to take time off work. Grandparents won’t be there to help out this time. Tone deaf guys. I cannot see public sympathy coming down on your side.
rainbowtrout wrote: » It was this week, so we'll have to wait and see. As I said, we were told no further testing so we have no idea.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » 18 less likely to catch it outdoors. Presume this training is outdoors. Ye hardly drop a ball in the middle of them all and let them chase after the ball. Plenty drills and games can be done with a few footballs to separate a large session.
lawrencesummers wrote: » In terms of funding, information, precautions, protection, testing, planning and support schools are the next nursing homes. That’s the message that needs to be gotten across. Unfortunately it took excessive deaths for the authorities to wake up to the nursing home’s problem, I fear schools will be the same.
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