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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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Darwin

Nedved85 wrote: »

Where did you read this?

Check out the Q&A on the product page on amazon, there is a whole thread on 'Will these pre-orders be fulfilled?'. Translating the answers show lots of German buyers due to receive their orders today not getting them.

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/ask/questions/TxAQ9NMXNH4VE3/ref=ask_dp_al_al_hza

z0oT

It's the same thing every launch.

Availability is a pipe dream, and prices are high if you're lucky to get your hands on the stuff. It makes the launch far more paper-like than what Nvidia/AMD/Intel would have you believe. It can often take up to 6 or so months for it to become more reasonable.

I'm planning on skipping the 3000 generation along with whatever AMD have coming. Can't really justify an upgrade from the 5700XT for the games I've been playing at 1440p.

Dohnjoe

MidlanderMan wrote: »

To all the amazon.de Zotac buyers.

We ain't getting those cards any time soon.

Amazon's stock contollers ****ed up, they sold thousands, they had a fraction of in stock.

Yup, thought so. Zotac received 20,000 orders. Someone prob put 20k available instead of 20 in the Amazon system.

Nedved85

MidlanderMan wrote: »

To all the amazon.de Zotac buyers.

We ain't getting those cards any time soon.

Amazon's stock contollers ****ed up, they sold thousands, they had a fraction of in stock.

Where did you read this?

bobbyy gee

Homelander wrote: »

Yeah I just stay away from those discussions on Adverts. It is baffling to see people paying over the odds there quite frequently for old 2nd hand things, but is it their money and clearly they haven't done any research.

Some things I get. Like paying a bit more for an i7-7700 or 4790 or whatever than is economically sensible because you're not bothered with a full platform change....understandable.

It's the GPU's that I really fail to understand. In some cases it's just pure impatience, someone wants something immediately, but not always. People paying "new" prices for several year old 2nd hand cards when the new options are a) cheaper b) perform as good or better with other benefits and c) well, literally, new

Now he didn't get any bites I don't think but I saw a guy selling an R9 390 for 300 the other day on adverts. Talk about a time warp.

already in America new gpu prices are coming down if the NVidia cards are as good as they say they are and amd cards are good used gpu cards prices will go down a lot

as for intel cpus you have to look at.reviews as intel new cpus are not much better than old cpus
you have to look at k as it can be overclocked then you have to see if it's got hyperthreading

on adverts ie just make a lower offer

BloodBath

There's a 24gb 3090 on the way already, do you think there's going to be 24 ram chips? Nope.

It will have 12 x 2gb chips. A 20gb version would have 10.

The RTX titan uses 12 x 2gb chips.

The codenames for the higher ram versions have been around for over a month with further confirmations of codenames from aib's.

Bungusbeefcake

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

BTW looking at the RTX 3080 PCB shots, I'm not so sure that 20Gb 3080 models will exist - they might keep that configuration for 3090 & maybe produce a 12Gb Ti/Super variant.

Hi,

The PCB for the 3080 and 3090 are the same custom PCB. The number of RAM slots on the front should add up to 12, with 2 unused for the 3080 and all in use for the 3090, the main difference is that the 3090 is using double sided mounting. This was done historically but hasn't been done for a while by Nvidia but they seem to have moved back to this to save space. The 3080 20GB variant would just have to have the same 2 sided installation, so it's totally possible to have a 20 GB one. Heck, if you could get your hands on the RAM and were a magician with PCBs and soldering you could turn your 3080 10 GB into 24GB, but you would still have the 320bit architecture. Not the 384-bit bus.

Samuel T. Cogley

Thats very interesting given the 16Gb chips aren't expected until 2021.

TitianGerm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

BTW looking at the RTX 3080 PCB shots, I'm not so sure that 20Gb 3080 models will exist - they might keep that configuration for 3090 & maybe produce a 12Gb Ti/Super variant.

I assume the black squares are the VRAM modules? Twelve slots with two free so each one is a 1GB module? Maybe they've 2GB variants coming which could give a max of 24GB?

K.O.Kiki

BTW looking at the RTX 3080 PCB shots, I'm not so sure that 20Gb 3080 models will exist - they might keep that configuration for 3090 & maybe produce a 12Gb Ti/Super variant.

Squidgy Black

Yeah it was fairly shítty of OC and Scan to take the full amount considering they didn't really have any idea what stock levels were like. They really should've done limited pre-orders similar to the likes of the PS5 or Xbox for 50 quid or whatever, I don't think anyone would've been too pissed at them when it was revealed how low stock levels are.

cookie1977

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Kinda crazy to think scan took 700 euro off me for a product that they don't even know if they'll have out to me for months.

Pre-ordering/putting a deposit down is fine, but they take a 100% deposit and then tell you you better hold onto your order cause if you cancel the prices have gone up so **** you kinda thing.

I'm not even that fussed about having it right away, something near or after the Cyberpunk launch would be good. But the way it's handled leaves a rotten feeling

That's what I'm debating with respect to Overclockers. 850 euro for the EVGA black XC3. Not sure if I should hang in till possibly 2021 or refund now (Overclockers offering a refund via a form).

MidlanderMan

To all the amazon.de Zotac buyers.

We ain't getting those cards any time soon.

Amazon's stock contollers ****ed up, they sold thousands, they had a fraction of in stock.

one armed dwarf

Kinda crazy to think scan took 700 euro off me for a product that they don't even know if they'll have out to me for months.

Pre-ordering/putting a deposit down is fine, but they take a 100% deposit and then tell you you better hold onto your order cause if you cancel the prices have gone up so **** you kinda thing.

I'm not even that fussed about having it right away, something near or after the Cyberpunk launch would be good. But the way it's handled leaves a rotten feeling

Samuel T. Cogley

Bit OT but the one I don't get is SSD prices on adverts. Firstly you've no idea what was stored on them, secondly why would I pay the new price, or in some cases more, for a second hand one? Ordered RAM from Amazon on Wednesday and had it delivered to the door by Friday.

Homelander

Yeah I just stay away from those discussions on Adverts. It is baffling to see people paying over the odds there quite frequently for old 2nd hand things, but is it their money and clearly they haven't done any research.

Some things I get. Like paying a bit more for an i7-7700 or 4790 or whatever than is economically sensible because you're not bothered with a full platform change....understandable.

It's the GPU's that I really fail to understand. In some cases it's just pure impatience, someone wants something immediately, but not always. People paying "new" prices for several year old 2nd hand cards when the new options are a) cheaper b) perform as good or better with other benefits and c) well, literally, new

Now he didn't get any bites I don't think but I saw a guy selling an R9 390 for 300 the other day on adverts. Talk about a time warp.

Cuddlesworth

circadian wrote: »

Why are people paying crazy prices (in theory) for these cards? Are they unaware of the 3090 for probably similar or even less than they're willing to pay?

I doubt half of the ads even have them ordered, something doesn't add up.

When the 3090 comes out, they will be right out to get it too. Some people have to have the newest thing, regardless of the cost or benefit to them. Sometimes the money means nothing to them, sometimes it means nothing to them but it should.

I agree with adverts standpoint though, there used to be loads of bickering in the for sale forums here before the same rule was implemented. If somebody wants to purchase a 2nd hand or pre-built system at a hugely inflated cost, its up to them to do their research.

Infini

cookie1977 wrote: »

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/ocuk-nvidia-rtx-3080-series-update-thread-on-deliveries-how-to-cancel-your-order.18899277/

If they are volunteering info on Nov/Dec for shipments then you could see 2021 as a delivery time.

In all honesty though most lauches are usually tough for initial buyers as stock is limited, its even worse this year because were all unable to travel, shyteloads of events have been cancelled to mid 2021 or later etc, its meant that with people wfh and having extra cash depending on what job they have and building a new rig is an in demand thing right now.

Honestly I'm tempted to grab even one 3090 if I see it, but I think its gonna be tough to get anything till January myself as demand will be so high expecially in the run up to christmas and the fact it's always a bit of a pain getting this sort of hardware to Ireland.

Thecageyone

Metric Tensor wrote: »

When the 1660 was launched I remember there was a perception that it was deliberately "hobbled" by having 6GB of RAM so that it wouldn't suck sales away from the 20 series by essentially being a 20 series without the ray tracing (which not many wanted anyway).

Missed this earlier. I'm still running the old faithful 1660, and for 1080p gaming it stilkl rocks. Sure, there's shinier, better performing cards out there for 1080p that will nicely bring you up to 1440p when needed but, as is I'm a happy gamer. I don't miss what I never experienced

[Deleted User]

Why are people paying crazy prices (in theory) for these cards? Are they unaware of the 3090 for probably similar or even less than they're willing to pay?

I doubt half of the ads even have them ordered, something doesn't add up.

Thecageyone

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/iuv4oq/advertsie_banning_people_for_calling_out_scalpers/

Nice one, Adverts crew! /s

I wonder is there more to it than just reporting? was there a nasty message along with? we can only take that peron's word for it. I've been on adverts years, have seen some crazy stuff that was left up without any repurcussions. I've also seen people leave unwarranted feedback or mistakingly left negative feedback but their comment will say "Great seller, highly recommended" and the negative remains ... never had anyone do this on me thankfully. Point being though, that Adverts don't seem to act on it a lot of the time, if someone leaves you negative feedback by mistake or without good reason good luck trying to get it removed.

I have seen scammers removed/banned though, and got messages from Admin telling me not to deal with certain scam members after they'd made obvious scam offer on my listings [example they will offer way over the asking price and ask that you send the item abroad or by courier for them to inspect before they would pay]

Sadly, there is no rule stating that you can't sell above the retail price, they also cannot prove the seller doesn't have the item. It really is up to the buyer to beware.

cookie1977

BArra wrote: »

is their website down again?

Seems to be.

BArra

cookie1977 wrote: »

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/ocuk-nvidia-rtx-3080-series-update-thread-on-deliveries-how-to-cancel-your-order.18899277/

If they are volunteering info on Nov/Dec for shipments then you could see 2021 as a delivery time.

is their website down again?

Samuel T. Cogley

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/iuv4oq/advertsie_banning_people_for_calling_out_scalpers/

Nice one, Adverts crew! /s

Aye saw that. Had a lol but I hope they get their accounts back.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/iuv4oq/advertsie_banning_people_for_calling_out_scalpers/

Nice one, Adverts crew! /s

Samuel T. Cogley

Have to say that RTX3080 TUF gaming is a very nice card, it's a shame you never get anything as premium with the AMD board partners. I espeicially like 2 x HDMI connectors for useful for a HMD and a TV.

Samuel T. Cogley

My only concern is it's GDDR6 on a 256bit bus, but apparently magic is happening...

BloodBath

Judging by the power of these cards and the pricing I'd say they are afraid of big Navi. If the top Navi is supposed to handily beat the 2080ti then that put's it in competition with the 3080. It's also going to have 16gb of memory.

Price I would say will be also around the 10gb 3080 depending on performance.

Samuel T. Cogley

Metric Tensor wrote: »

When the 1660 was launched I remember there was a perception that it was deliberately "hobbled" by having 6GB of RAM so that it wouldn't suck sales away from the 20 series by essentially being a 20 series without the ray tracing (which not many wanted anyway).

The 3070 with 8GB and 3080 with 10GB seem similar but what are nVidia afraid of? Big Navi? The 3090 not selling?

I think Moore's Law is Dead (go back a bit) is right on the money.

My personal view is it's so they can respond to Big Navi - IF needed. I think we'll be waiting a while for these Super/Ti cards if Big Navi disappoints. IF Big Navi is not a lame duck then we'll see them much sooner.

Metric Tensor

When the 1660 was launched I remember there was a perception that it was deliberately "hobbled" by having 6GB of RAM so that it wouldn't suck sales away from the 20 series by essentially being a 20 series without the ray tracing (which not many wanted anyway).

The 3070 with 8GB and 3080 with 10GB seem similar but what are nVidia afraid of? Big Navi? The 3090 not selling?