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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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Fitz II

Well general consensus is that this is a winner of a card, I wonder will it undo the damage done during the 20 series launch? I am very excited to see where the 3090 lands on the benchmarks, obviously a law of diminishing returns, but buy got this is a monster of a card. Interested to see how well this plays with Ryzen versus Intel and the overclocking potential.

A good day to be a PC gaming enthusiast.

Mr Crispy

VideoCardz have links to written and video reviews, with new ones added as they go up.

Homelander

While I think the 8GB on the RTX3070 is a bit of a joke, I am not hugely pushed. I'm OK with texture being set at high rather than ultra, or medium down the line if really needs be, when everything else can be maxed out at massive FPS.

I mean most games, comparing medium v ultra textures, not a huge difference visually for a massive vram hit.

Samuel T. Cogley

Homelander wrote: »

While I think the 8GB on the RTX3070 is a bit of a joke, I am not hugely pushed. I'm OK with texture being set at high rather than ultra, or medium down the line if really needs be, when everything else can be maxed out at massive FPS.

I mean most games, comparing medium v ultra textures, not a huge difference visually for a massive vram hit.

Stop countering my justifications for not upgrading my 5700XT! :pac:

Hyzepher

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I am aware of the allocation v actual use situation but Hardware Unboxed showed the performance hit the 8GB cards were taking in it's benchmarks.

I think it will be interesting to see how the 3070 8Gb performs before we use the old 8Gb models to make assumptions

Samuel T. Cogley

Hyzepher wrote: »

I think it will be interesting to see how the 3070 8Gb performs before we use the old 8Gb models to make assumptions

I haven't see much about any advance in compression technology this generation.

frozenfrozen

do the reviews have anything about the storage decompression thing on the cards?

Can't imagine 10GB of VRAM is an issue if you can swap at 6GB/s from disk

dreamers75

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-review?page=7

DFs review

Hyzepher

I think the 8gb 3070 is being unfairly comapared to the 2080ti - mainly due to the Nvidia press release - but it really shold be compared to the 2070/Super and I think we'll see the same performance increase despite the Vram size

TitianGerm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

do the reviews have anything about the storage decompression thing on the

No games utilising it at the moment.

Mr Crispy

frozenfrozen wrote: »

do the reviews have anything about the storage decompression thing on the cards?

Can't imagine 10GB of VRAM is an issue if you can swap at 6GB/s from disk

That won't be available until 2021 at the earliest.

Giblet

Hyzepher wrote: »

I think the 8gb 3070 is being unfairly comapared to the 2080ti - mainly due to the Nvidia press release - but it really shold be compared to the 2070/Super and I think we'll see the same performance increase despite the Vram size

Well a lot of people where saying the 3080 is going to completely destroy the 2080 TI, but it seems to be a 20% increase across the board, and less at lower resolutions (and that power draw... sheeesh!). The 3070 doesn't have DDR6X, so yes, it'll trash the 2070 super I imagine but I just don't see it winning all benchmarks against the 2080TI which has nearly 50% more memory bandwidth than the 3070. (Prob a 2080 killer?)

RTX performance is great, but I mean, that's barely a few games still.

Homelander

Hyzepher wrote: »

I think the 8gb 3070 is being unfairly comapared to the 2080ti - mainly due to the Nvidia press release - but it really shold be compared to the 2070/Super and I think we'll see the same performance increase despite the Vram size

The whole system just really got messed up when AMD stopped being competitive and Nvidia ran absolutely riot with pricing.

GTX10 series in particular where it really started, 1070 ended up being €500, compared to about €350 for the GTX970.

In a normal run of things, it would've been a €350-400 class replacement card, and beaten the 980Ti handily despite being €200-300 cheaper.

Until relatively recently, it was always completely normal for the "mainstream" performance card to be comparable to the prior gen's flagship at a significantly lower price, close to half in many cases.

Samuel T. Cogley

Giblet wrote: »

RTX performance is great, but I mean, that's barely a few games still.

From what I saw there is no improvement in efficiency of RT there, the hit is about the same as Turing.

Giblet

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

From what I saw there is no improvement in efficiency of RT there, the hit is about the same as Turing.

I saw Quake II and Minecraft which use pure pathtracing have huge improvements. Control also.

Those AAA games, Quake II and Minecraft...

Samuel T. Cogley

Giblet wrote: »

I saw Quake II and Minecraft which use pure pathtracing have huge improvements. Control also.

Those AAA games, Quake II and Minecraft...

Better than just the overall improvement in performance?

Giblet

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Better than just the overall improvement in performance?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-review?page=6

They have the benchmark tools.

Hyzepher

Giblet wrote: »

Well a lot of people where saying the 3080 is going to completely destroy the 2080 TI, but it seems to be a 20% increase across the board, and less at lower resolutions (and that power draw... sheeesh!). The 3070 doesn't have DDR6X, so yes, it'll trash the 2070 super I imagine but I just don't see it winning all benchmarks against the 2080TI which has nearly 50% more memory bandwidth than the 3070. (Prob a 2080 killer?)

RTX performance is great, but I mean, that's barely a few games still.

What I see is a €700 card outperform the previous €1200 flagship. The 3080 isn't even the replacement for the 2080ti from a tier level perspective. There's an argument that the 3090 is

Currently, the 3080 is a 20xx killer in both performance and price and when compared directly with the comparable 2080/Super in terms of price - it provides a huge upgrade

Revoker88

The numbers coming from using a 1080 look great.

Gonna be a big boost for me. Who knows when be able to get hands on a GPU though. Initially for me it would be founders or nothing,id be worried about some AIB coolers givin power usage. Would have to wait on individual reviews and my price range would be in the lower AIB range im guessing. Some priced at near £800 and screw paying that.

If the founders is scarce I won't be too bothered as waiting for AMD would be the sensible thing to do anyway

TitianGerm

EoinHef wrote: »

The numbers coming from using a 1080 look great.

Gonna be a big boost for me. Who knows when be able to get hands on a GPU though. Initially for me it would be founders or nothing,id be worried about some AIB coolers givin power usage. Would have to wait on individual reviews and my price range would be in the lower AIB range im guessing. Some priced at near £800 and screw paying that.

If the founders is scarce I won't be too bothered as waiting for AMD would be the sensible thing to do anyway

Massive increases for me moving from a 2060. I better get one tomorrow now!!

BloodBath

Pretty impressive all around. 4k high refresh doable on high end 3080/3090 now even with all the bells and whistles enabled.

If you need more fps enable DLSS. By next gen the mid range cards will be able to do it.

The price of those monitors needs to come down a lot now. Still 1k+ for 4k/120hz+ monitors.

Revoker88

TitianGerm wrote: »

Massive increases for me moving from a 2060. I better get one tomorrow now!!

Wonder what time they will open up sales,cant see it being 12.01 am but that would suit me.

Mr Crispy

BloodBath wrote: »

The price of those monitors needs to come down a lot now. Still 1k+ for 4k/120hz+ monitors.

And even at those high prices it's still a crap shoot in terms of quality control. I can understand why some people are saying they may as well go for a 48" OLED if spending that much.

TitianGerm

EoinHef wrote: »

Wonder what time they will open up sales,cant see it being 12.01 am but that would suit me.

It's meant to be 2pm. Overclockers had something posted on their forums.

K.O.Kiki

Homelander wrote: »

The whole system just really got messed up when AMD stopped being competitive and Nvidia ran absolutely riot with pricing.

GTX10 series in particular where it really started, 1070 ended up being €500, compared to about €350 for the GTX970.

In a normal run of things, it would've been a €350-400 class replacement card, and beaten the 980Ti handily despite being €200-300 cheaper.

Until relatively recently, it was always completely normal for the "mainstream" performance card to be comparable to the prior gen's flagship at a significantly lower price, close to half in many cases.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review_6

We picked up a GTX 970 for £250 back in the day, and it had a $330 US ticket price - Nvidia's latest has a baseline £330/$380 price-point.

Not sure where you're remembering 500 euro from, at those exchange rates they would've been 420 euro (unless you mean the FE).

Squidgy Black

I think Nvidia slightly overshot their marketing on this.

They released a card that has noticeable improvement on the last flagship card, for around 500 quid less. But left themselves wide open to "un-impressed" or "letdown" reviews/reveals because they pushed their marketing too hard in terms of saying it was going to be twice as fast and make the previous cards redundant.

It's still class and a noted improvement, but I'd say those 2080ti owners who sold for dirt cheap are absolutely fuming (albeit it's their own fault for panicking).

BloodBath

Nvidia always push their marketing too hard.

They are still super impressive cards.

I think 2080ti owners would be looking at the 3090 rather than the 3080 as well. Or hold out for the super or ti variants.

K.O.Kiki

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I think Nvidia slightly overshot their marketing on this.

They released a card that has noticeable improvement on the last flagship card, for around 500 quid less. But left themselves wide open to "un-impressed" or "letdown" reviews/reveals because they pushed their marketing too hard in terms of saying it was going to be twice as fast and make the previous cards redundant.

It's still class and a noted improvement, but I'd say those 2080ti owners who sold for dirt cheap are absolutely fuming (albeit it's their own fault for panicking).

Those 2080 Ti owners are idiots, because every Nvidia slide was saying "60-70% better than 2080, a world away from 1080 Ti" :pac:

But then, we did kinda call them idiots for buying that GPU in the first place.

Star Lord

Blender benchmark:

Blender-2.90-Classroom-CUDA-and-OptiX-Render-Time-Cycles-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3080-680x383.jpg

Hoping to build a 3080 system, probably some stage early next year, and going to be coming from an i5 4690 with a GTX970 to this, it's going to be a quantum shift for me!

Just checked the render time for the Classroom scene the above is based on, and for a GTX970, it's 479.164-502.605 seconds... compared to 43 seconds on the 3080 using CUDA (for direct comparison), and even faster using OPTIX...

seraphimvc

second round of suicide watch for those who sold their 2080TI at around 500 mark :pac: poor thing.

Now i can't wait for big navi news. Definitely an exciting time for everyone.