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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Fratton Fred

To avoid derailing other SCD threads, I thought I'd add a Dun Laoghaire thread.

My main query, is does anyone know what is going on outside the train station? It looks like they are putting a crossing in twenty metres from the crossroads. Surely not?

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Cyrus

Mav11 wrote: »

Yes, see post above.

It not only applies to new houses but all houses which are traded (bought/sold) are revalued to the price paid for LPT purposes.

thats a good point which i hadnt considered.

they have made a bags of this.

Mav11

Cyrus wrote: »

thats a good point which i hadnt considered.

they have made a bags of this.

At least they are consistent in making a bags of things:D

Larbre34

Its amazing how stupid big name papers and correspondents can be.

DLR homes have never paid the property tax at 100% of valuation, always 85%

If it is passed at 100% of valuation, that becomes a 17.65% increase, not 15%.

josip

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its amazing how stupid big name papers and correspondents can be.

DLR homes have never paid the property tax at 100% of valuation, always 85%

If it is passed at 100% of valuation, that becomes a 17.65% increase, not 15%.

Those who can work with words, do not necessarily have the ability to work with numbers.
For those who can do both , the world is their oyster.

markpb

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its amazing how stupid big name papers and correspondents can be.

DLR homes have never paid the property tax at 100% of valuation, always 85%

If it is passed at 100% of valuation, that becomes a 17.65% increase, not 15%.

Maybe the journalist knew it was technically wrong but picked it because it conveys the message in a simple (if incorrect) way. Everyone reading it knows that the rate could increase by 1500 basis points, not the amount by 15%.

[Deleted User]

Sandycove resembling Piccadilly Circus on a bad day tonight.

Funnel all the sea front traffic into a bottle neck, take away loads of parking and not stop parking on the road that now has double the traffic and what could go wrong?

Worst traffic jams I’ve seen there, even worse than a warm Christmas Day.

Larbre34

I think rather than increase caution, recent days Covid figures have added a 'last days of the Roman Empire' element to things, theres a sense that Dublin will inevitably go to Level 3 restrictions and so people are living it up. That and the beautiful weather of course.

ted1

Aegir wrote: »

Sandycove resembling Piccadilly Circus on a bad day tonight.

Funnel all the sea front traffic into a bottle neck, take away loads of parking and not stop parking on the road that now has double the traffic and what could go wrong?

Worst traffic jams I’ve seen there, even worse than a warm Christmas Day.

How many places were actually taking ? How many people are arriving by bike instead ?
The bike racks are pretty full whenever I look at them.

Traffic at killiney beach was also bad. Both car parks and the road was full. Lots of illegal parking

[Deleted User]

ted1 wrote: »

How many places were actually taking ? How many people are arriving by bike instead ?
The bike racks are pretty full whenever I look at them.

Traffic at killiney beach was also bad. Both car parks and the road was full. Lots of illegal parking

There seem to be as many bleeper bikes at the racks as private bikes to be honest. We’re there people cycling? Yes, of course but impossible to say if it was more or less than the equivalent night last year.

It was a mess and the mess was because the sea front is one way. You can argue as much as you like about the benefits of the cycle lanes, but the simple fact is that it caused the congestion today.

Good idea, badly executed.

ted1

Aegir wrote: »

There seem to be as many bleeper bikes at the racks as private bikes to be honest. We’re there people cycling? Yes, of course but impossible to say if it was more or less than the equivalent night last year.

It was a mess and the mess was because the sea front is one way. You can argue as much as you like about the benefits of the cycle lanes, but the simple fact is that it caused the congestion today.

Good idea, badly executed.

Cars caused the congestion. And illegally parked cars were a big part of the problem

.anon.

ted1 wrote: »

Cars caused the congestion. And illegally parked cars were a big part of the problem

Legally parked cars are a huge problem in the area too. They need to extend the double yellow lines along Sandycove Rd all the way down to Ulverton Rd. On-street parking needs to become a thing of the past. Perhaps people would think twice about unnecessarily clogging up the roads if they had nowhere to store their private property when they get there. The two bus routes that serve that area (59 and 111) are constantly delayed, primarily as a result of double-parking.

Cyrus

.anon. wrote: »

Legally parked cars are a huge problem in the area too. They need to extend the double yellow lines along Sandycove Rd all the way down to Ulverton Rd. On-street parking needs to become a thing of the past. Perhaps people would think twice about unnecessarily clogging up the roads if they had nowhere to store their private property when they get there. The two bus routes that serve that area (59 and 111) are constantly delayed, primarily as a result of double-parking.

You have referred to private property a few different times , it’s not like someone is leaving a yacht on the side of the road , the vast vast majority of households have at least one car so if they use them they will have to park it somewhere at their destination. It’s not the selfish act of a few.

[Deleted User]

Cyrus wrote: »

You have referred to private property a few different times , it’s not like someone is leaving a yacht on the side of the road , the vast vast majority of households have at least one car so if they use them they will have to park it somewhere at their destination. It’s not the selfish act of a few.

Just because loads of people do it, doesn't make it right. It's time that society stopped subsidising car owners with free storage space. In Japan, you have to prove that you have access to private parking at your home before you buy.

[Deleted User]

.anon. wrote: »

Legally parked cars are a huge problem in the area too. They need to extend the double yellow lines along Sandycove Rd all the way down to Ulverton Rd. On-street parking needs to become a thing of the past. Perhaps people would think twice about unnecessarily clogging up the roads if they had nowhere to store their private property when they get there. The two bus routes that serve that area (59 and 111) are constantly delayed, primarily as a result of double-parking.

I k ow several
People who love along that section and all of them would love to park their cars on their long front gardens, but are prevented from doing so because the council won’t allow them to convert their gardens to driveways. The ones that have done it, did so before stricter planning rules come in.

[Deleted User]

ted1 wrote: »

Cars caused the congestion. And illegally parked cars were a big part of the problem

People caused the congestion. Maybe we should ban all visitors to Sandycove?

[Deleted User]

Aegir wrote: »

People caused the congestion. Maybe we should ban all visitors to Sandycove?

You're getting warm, but see if you can focus on the actual cause just a bit more closely.

Mav11

Aegir wrote: »

People caused the congestion. Maybe we should ban all visitors to Sandycove?

Mightn't be a bad idea with the current rates of infection.

Mav11

Cyrus wrote: »

You have referred to private property a few different times , it’s not like someone is leaving a yacht on the side of the road , the vast vast majority of households have at least one car so if they use them they will have to park it somewhere at their destination. It’s not the selfish act of a few.

If you need a car you don't necessarily need to own one. There are various alternatives such as Go Car which you could use instead.

If you need to own a car but haven't got off road car parking, maybe you should be required to lease a space and not park it on the public road. This is going to become a bigger issue with the inevitable increase in electric cars and charging. You will not be allowed to run charge cables across public footpaths.

[Deleted User]

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You're getting warm, but see if you can focus on the actual cause just a bit more closely.

the cause is a **** council who don't know what they are doing.

You can be as militant a cyclist or anti car as you like, you don't suddenly change thousands of peoples habits by suddenly making massive changes to the roads that people have been driving along for years. Especially when these changes are done without any consideration for the consequences.

If the seafront was such a death trap for cyclists, then why has there never been any traffic calming measures put in? DLRCoCO are obsessed with them elsewhere, so why not there? Surely slowing cars down make a huge difference to safety and discourages people from driving there, but still gives them the option to do so.

Why take away parking spaces without putting any consideration as to where people will then park? Sandycove Road, Castlepark Road and Elton Park have become effectively single lane roads, with a massively increased flow of traffic as people can no longer take the usual route to bypass Dun Laoghaire. Then you have the added joy of yellow lines becoming irrelevant after 7pm and all day on a Sunday because there are no traffic wardens.

For those of us that live in that area, it has always been a nightmare on sunny days because 10% of people are ****wits and park anywhere anyway (across people's drives, blocking roads, parking on pavements etc. but this has taken it to a whole new level.

But the answer, apparently, is get a bike :rolleyes: In an area that is effectively god's waiting room, that is not a reasonable solution.

Mav11

Aegir wrote: »

: In an area that is effectively god's waiting room, that is not a reasonable solution.

Special allowance is and should always be made for those with mobility issues.

ted1

Aegir wrote: »

People caused the congestion. Maybe we should ban all visitors to Sandycove?

No it was cars.

ted1

Aegir wrote: »

Why take away parking spaces without putting any consideration as to where people will then park?

International studies have shown that by putting in good cycling facilities people will move from car use to cycling.

The council have removed the spaces. And provided a cycle path and places to lock bikes. If you have an issue driving. Then try cycling the next day.
The only removed about 20 places which would be used mainly by single occupant cars. There’s being an increase of far more than 20 bikes.

ted1

Aegir wrote: »

Then you have the added joy of yellow lines becoming irrelevant after 7pm and all day on a Sunday because there are no traffic wardens.

For those of us that live in that area, it has always been a nightmare on sunny days because 10% of people are ****wits and park anywhere anyway (across people's drives, blocking roads, parking on pavements etc. but this has taken it to a whole new level.

But the answer, apparently, is get a bike :rolleyes: In an area that is effectively god's waiting room, that is not a reasonable solution.

You can’t blame cyclists for peoples bad parking and driving.

[Deleted User]

ted1 wrote: »

No it was cars.

Those magic ones that drive on their own?

ted1 wrote: »

International studies have shown that by putting in good cycling facilities people will move from car use to cycling.

The council have removed the spaces. And provided a cycle path and places to lock bikes. If you have an issue driving. Then try cycling the next day.
The only removed about 20 places which would be used mainly by single occupant cars. There’s being an increase of far more than 20 bikes.

I don't cycle to Sandycove, I walk. I live there and have to put up with the **** show every time i try to leave my house in my car. Most of the people cycling would ave taken the train or bus, but we have been told to use them only as a necessity. Telling people to leave the car at home and stick the inflatable, the cool box, the baby and three old on a bike funnily enough isn't getting through to people.

ted1 wrote: »

You can’t blame cyclists for peoples bad parking and driving.

no one is blaming cyclists, I cycle a lot and I welcome improved infrastructure. This isn't it though.

markpb

ted1 wrote: »

You can’t blame cyclists for peoples bad parking and driving.

Of course you can. If those pesky cyclists weren't there taking up space, there'd be more room for people to drive and park badly.

JayRoc

The total just for folk using the bike paths on Sunday was well over 5,000. That is absolutely extraordinary.

Extrapolate that any way you like to include drivers and pedestrians and you officially have a **** **** ton of people.

(Edit: and the only reason I specifically mentioned the bike path is because they were the only numbers available. But it gives an idea of the massive amount of people who must have travelled into the area that day)

[Deleted User]

Mav11 wrote: »

Special allowance is and should always be made for those with mobility issues.

Something like this perhaps?

https://twitter.com/SilkeRichard/status/1271844709519024128?s=19

strandroad

Mav11 wrote: »

Special allowance is and should always be made for those with mobility issues.

It doesn't necessarily equal driving though. My neighbour is disabled, she uses her mobility scooter locally and only drives to hospital appointments. Her problems are: the lack of footpaths and crossings, footpaths not wide enough for scooters especially when scooters or buggies pass, cars parked on footpaths.
Some of them are only forced to drive or be driven because of such issues.

Gareth Keenan

Regarding Sandycove Road, I got the following back from the council...

The response from the Inspector re. congestion on Sandycove Road is a follows:

This request for double yellow lines was discussed at a recent Traffic Advisory Group (TAG) meeting with the Gardai and it was decided to provide double yellow lines on the north side of Sandycove Road from the existing double yellow lines near Sandycove Avenue East junction for a distance of 80m westwards towards the bus bay and 20m of double yellow lines on the south side from the existing double yellow lines near Elton Park junction for a distance of 20m eastwards past " Mount Carmel " .

Never seen anything like last night. 100 people allowed in Croke Park, but there must have been 500 plus in the 40 foot.

Glencarraig

Cyrus wrote: »

You have referred to private property a few different times , it’s not like someone is leaving a yacht on the side of the road , the vast vast majority of households have at least one car so if they use them they will have to park it somewhere at their destination. It’s not the selfish act of a few.

My neighbour parkes a yacht on a trailer on the footpath on a regular basis, Gardai and DLRCC were informed...............nothing ever happens.