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Nvidia RTX Discussion

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A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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BloodBath

Oh you're back Fitz? Are you getting a 3090?

Steve is not the most entertaining but he knows his stuff and usually keeps it clear and concise. I don't mind him. I'd take him over Linus anyday.

Fitz II

L wrote: »

Bets on who'll be first out of the gate with a review?

I would say they are all queued to go live at the same time. Gamers Nexus is the one with the most info usually, but buy god are they hard to concentrate on for 30 minutes.

Bets on who'll be first out of the gate with a review?

Samuel T. Cogley

BloodBath wrote: »

We will find out soon enough I guess. Embargo lifts at 2pm today?

Yep

BloodBath

We will find out soon enough I guess. Embargo lifts at 2pm today?

Giblet wrote: »

Just for the 3080, and just for the FE cards. Smart guys these NVIDIA dudes. Get people to salivate over the FE 3080, need to sell their current cards to people who believe the 3070 will beat it. AIB cards will need expensive coolers to reduce noise / heat, but not reviewed until the 17th (and people ignore anything but the FE Benchmarks). Then the 3070 review comes out in October (and may disappoint), showing the 2080TI still matters.

That's always the way these days. It's been their model for a long long time. Bleeding edge upgrade fever drives their profitability but the older cards now remain viable for a surprising length of time.

We're at a stage where cards from 5 or 6 years ago are still quite appealing and relevant value propositions at second hand prices (980 Ti is still 40% of the power of a 2080 Ti these days - still beats most of the modern midrange).

That said, looking at the transistor density/die size, I'm cautiously optimistic that the 30 series is actually going to deliver.

Giblet

L wrote: »

Review Embargo lift is still set for 2pm today isn't it?

While we wait, Gamers Nexus has a pretty nice walkthrough of some of the architecture and process changes for Ampere here.

Just for the 3080, and just for the FE cards. Smart guys these NVIDIA dudes. Get people to salivate over the FE 3080, need to sell their current cards to people who believe the 3070 will beat it. AIB cards will need expensive coolers to reduce noise / heat, but not reviewed until the 17th (and people ignore anything but the FE Benchmarks). Then the 3070 review comes out in October (and may disappoint), showing the 2080TI still matters.

[Deleted User]

grogi wrote: »

Hot or not. What difference does it make once it is quiet enough?

I don't check how got my car engine runs, I don't check how hot my TV runs etc. Why should it suddenly matter for a GPU? Are you touching it or something?

If it doesn't dissipate the heat properly you'll have thermal throttling and performance issues. If it is dissipating the heat properly then there is going to be some level of noise. I find it hard to believe these cards will be whisper quiet under load, I also have reservations about the airflow design especially since I have an incredibly small form factor rig. Looking forward to seeing the reviews and how it all turns out but I do have some concerns about these designs.

Review Embargo lift is still set for 2pm today isn't it?

While we wait, Gamers Nexus has a pretty nice walkthrough of some of the architecture and process changes for Ampere here.

Giblet

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

And the cooler could use magic and unicorns to be silent but that heat still has to be dissipated somewhere, and that somewhere is the room you're sitting in.

Winter is Coming, as someone once said.

Samuel T. Cogley

Giblet wrote: »

300w of cooling will be loud, is my point.

And the cooler could use magic and unicorns to be silent but that heat still has to be dissipated somewhere, and that somewhere is the room you're sitting in.

Giblet

grogi wrote: »

Hot or not. What difference does it make once it is quiet enough?

I don't check how got my car engine runs, I don't check how hot my TV runs etc. Why should it suddenly matter for a GPU? Are you touching it or something?

300w of cooling will be loud, is my point.

grogi

Giblet wrote: »

People are panicking, The 3070 seems like it won't touch the 2080TI really, especially at 4k. You might get some similar benchmarks, but as you push up to Ultra, gaps will appear. The different in Memory Amount / Bandwidth is too much to ignore. Especially for a 300W card. I wonder how hot it runs for AIB cards.

Hot or not. What difference does it make once it is quiet enough?

I don't check how got my car engine runs, I don't check how hot my TV runs etc. Why should it suddenly matter for a GPU? Are you touching it or something?

Giblet

bobbyy gee wrote: »

you would be crazy to sell cards now the new ones will be in short supply and Ireland will be last place to get deliverys

People are panicking, The 3070 seems like it won't touch the 2080TI really, especially at 4k. You might get some similar benchmarks, but as you push up to Ultra, gaps will appear. The different in Memory Amount / Bandwidth is too much to ignore. Especially for a 300W card. I wonder how hot it runs for AIB cards.

Fitz II

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

The dude has a extreme bias for AMD. He will criticise them but he will also go out of his way to find something bad to say about the others.

Lot of that in the GPU space, adored tv is also so verbose and dense with info that there is zero entertainment value to the vids,

Cuddlesworth

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I stopped watching him also once he started posting podcast videos but I still watch when he posts normal YouTube videos which he has done two so far on Nvidia since the new cards were released.

The dude has a extreme bias for AMD. He will criticise them but he will also go out of his way to find something bad to say about the others.

wotzgoingon

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I haven't seen his video - kinda gone off him tbh, but I doubt TSMC would have had the capacity.

I stopped watching him also once he started posting podcast videos but I still watch when he posts normal YouTube videos which he has done two so far on Nvidia since the new cards were released.

bobbyy gee

you would be crazy to sell cards now the new ones will be in short supply and Ireland will be last place to get deliverys

Samuel T. Cogley

I haven't seen his video - kinda gone off him tbh, but I doubt TSMC would have had the capacity.

wotzgoingon

I didn't read through thread so sorry if it is posted already but AdoredTv from YouTube posted a new video slamming Samsung 8nm and Nvidia deing too cheap to pay up for the expensive TSMC 7nm.

Hyzepher

More like 200 when the 2080ti is going for 400.

Thecageyone

BArra wrote: »

dont panic Jay says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiBeaY8Du8&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents

i panicked already and sold a mint 1080ti on adverts for 350E :rolleyes:

You sold it without too much hassle though I'd say? whereas there's a bunch of them on adverts atm ranging from 450 to over 500 [still the odd one 350-400], and they aren't going to shift so easily without some major haggling and a bunch of low ball offers for weeks - and they will eventually cave and sell for 350

Mr Crispy

Yeah, you'll have a very nice increase in performance going from a 1080 Ti to Ampere. I wouldn't sweat it.

Squidgy Black

BArra wrote: »

dont panic Jay says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiBeaY8Du8&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents

i panicked already and sold a mint 1080ti on adverts for 350E :rolleyes:

Ah I think that's more aimed towards the 2080ti owners who are selling their cards that they bought new less than a year ago for $500. 350 isn't a bad price to get for the 1080ti to be honest, especially if you were thinking of upgrading anyways.

Samuel T. Cogley

BArra wrote: »

dont panic Jay says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiBeaY8Du8&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents

i panicked already and sold a mint 1080ti on adverts for 350E :rolleyes:

That was a decent price for it in fairness.

BArra

dont panic Jay says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiBeaY8Du8&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents

i panicked already and sold a mint 1080ti on adverts for 350E :rolleyes:

Thecageyone

Homelander wrote: »

It's not about efficiency, it's about PSU quality. It's why you see cards like GTX1050's recommending a 500W supply despite the entire system using about 150W in a modern PC.

There are absolutely tons of junk PSU's out there that can deliver nowhere near their rated wattage. Some brands, "500W" models crash under 200W load. It's what you get when you get a 500W PSU for £15.

Then there are models that are better but still very low-end, but can still tend to be unstable/unreliable anywhere near to close to their rated wattage.

For example, Nvidia recommend a 650W PSU for the RTX2070 Super. You don't need a 650W PSU or anything close, but it covers Nvidia as even the very low-end PSU's that are 650W/700W should be OK. (putting aside the absolute trash like "Ace 700W for £20").

For some reason people are taking Nvidia's PSU recommendations for this generation as gospel, when they have always been like this. The recommendation for the RTX3070 is the exact same as the RTX2070 for example.

Unless you have a little SFX 300W PSU or something, you're not going to need an upgrade for these cards.

It's definitely cheaper end the one I got, a Kolink 500w 80+, think it was £35 from the UK. Looking about at reviews/views on this psu seems it's 'ok' for the money, haven't seen anyone thrash talk it at least. I won't rush on it anytime soon either way, it's doing the job for me atm but that's with a lower end gpu.

Homelander

It's not about efficiency, it's about PSU quality. It's why you see cards like GTX1050's recommending a 500W supply despite the entire system using about 150W in a modern PC.

There are absolutely tons of junk PSU's out there that can deliver nowhere near their rated wattage. Some brands, "500W" models crash under 200W load. It's what you get when you get a 500W PSU for £15.

Then there are models that are better but still very low-end, but can still tend to be unstable/unreliable anywhere near to close to their rated wattage.

For example, Nvidia recommend a 650W PSU for the RTX2070 Super. You don't need a 650W PSU or anything close, but it covers Nvidia as even the very low-end PSU's that are 650W/700W should be OK. (putting aside the absolute trash like "Ace 700W for £20").

For some reason people are taking Nvidia's PSU recommendations for this generation as gospel, when they have always been like this. The recommendation for the RTX3070 is the exact same as the RTX2070 for example.

Unless you have a little SFX 300W PSU or something, you're not going to need an upgrade for these cards.

grogi

Thecageyone wrote: »

It's not so much all of a sudden in my case. When I was ordering the parts for a custom build I didn't think I would get back into gaming so much. I use the PC more for image editing than gaming, or used to - but since I got a half decent gpu started playing again and found I'm enjoying it more than I did years back. The Gpu I have now is completely fine with the 500w, even if I have power hungry apps like Lightroom in the backdrop, but there are always limits. Nvidia recommend a 650 - 750 for anything above my card. I mean, if I thought I'd get away with it for an upgrade to something like a 3060Ti, all good ... but isn't it a bit of a risk?>

It all depends what power limits you have for your CPU, but if you don't overclock and have enormous cooling, you'll be fine.

The recommendation is based solely to put you in the PSU sweet spot of effectiveness, which typically is at 40-60% of maximum capacity

Wonda-Boy

I had my last PSU for 11yrs...It was a good make but not badged for efficiency etc....did not want to take a chance with it on a high end Ryzen 9 build and a 3080/3090 GPU.