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Clerical Officer 2020

EO2019

Just went live - nationwide incl Dublin. Looks like no aptitude tests.

https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=114837&campaignId=2037907

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Chats2020

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Well the garda vetting etc is your own business. In previous years they would ask for written references and just call your current employer after they made an offer and you accepted.

Did they ask you for a written reference or did they specify they want it from your current employer??

They have actually specified my current HR dept and it will be done via email, they will email my HR with a form to be filled in. I have not seen any offer and will not until I pass this part of the clearance they have made that very clear. I have tried explaining my situation , but they won’t budge on it. And then what happens if you expose yourself to your current employer and PAS withdraw the offer, I could end up with no job. It’s possibly one of the worst positions I have been put in employment wise.

Guffy

I guess you haven't resigned yet, ya it may be uncomfortable for a bit, but you haven't given notice and i don't think your employer can sack you for requesting a reference.

Mrs OBumble

Guffy wrote: »

i don't think your employer can sack you for requesting a reference.

If you are there less than 12 months, they can fail your probation.

If you are there less than 2 years, they can make you redundant at no cost to themselves.

In any case, you have highlighted to them that you are looking around, and are thus not loyal to them. So you can forget about training, promotions, getting rostered for the favourable shifts, whatever else.

November Golf

Chats2020 wrote: »

They have actually specified my current HR dept and it will be done via email, they will email my HR with a form to be filled in. I have not seen any offer and will not until I pass this part of the clearance they have made that very clear. I have tried explaining my situation , but they won’t budge on it. And then what happens if you expose yourself to your current employer and PAS withdraw the offer, I could end up with no job. It’s possibly one of the worst positions I have been put in employment wise.

Are you public or private sector?

If private, I think you should ring PAS on monday and ask to speak to the campaign manager.

PAS often ask for a current employer details in advance but they don't usually call/email your current employer until everything else is completed and only with the candidates' permission.

In any event, they can't insist on contacting your current employer for reference without an offer of employment (sure what if you were unemployed). Explain your situation to the campaign manager and ask can you give an alternative reference for the moment or ask them not to contact your current employer until you are offered a position.

From the sound of your previous comment, I think you've misunderstood something. Literally 100's of people go through this process every year and I haven't heard of any cases going sideway.

doc22

Chats2020 wrote: »

Hi Mike, I am currently in the private sector. I have been given a deadline of Monday morning at 10 am to supply the reference details and if I don’t I will be withdrawn from the campaign. I have tried ringing PAS. They are not answering/taking any calls and when I asked the person emailing me if I could ring to speak with someone, I was told it’s email only as everyone is working remotely and they are not receiving or making calls. So basically the person dealing with my application is the only one I can talk to and that person is very unhelpful.

I know you think I may have confused myself somewhere in the process but I can assure you this person has made it this difficult. You see, I was initially asked for a reference to complete the clearance process , dated within the last 12 months & I was told a manager in my place of work would be fine to give the reference. I then explained my situation , that I have no manager within my office , only 2 colleagues, we all work as a team , & next in line to that for a reference is the owner of the company or the HR Dept. I explained how they are not aware of my looking elsewhere for employment and I would rather keep it quiet until I get a placement offer and make a decision. After explaining this I received and email back stating that they “understood the difficulty but it is essential to the process” to get a reference & it can’t be from a colleague. Unless I supply the details of my reference (which can only be HR at this stage) I really don’t know what else I can do without risking my current position. I have never heard of this happening anyone else.

In fairness the person is only going by the rules laid down to them. You would have been notified first of all to say your place was reached and where you interested in position. You said yes and now they require references for current employment or statement that you were unemployed to cover the period to issue offer. Either you want the CO job or you don't. Not PAS problem whether you want you boss to know or not I'm afraid. Contracts are always issued after references.

Anonire

Chats2020

I understand your situation as have been in similar myself.
Was under consideration had to give a reference but it took the issuing body at least another month to get the contract to me so I felt like I was in limbo. My employer knew I was planning to leave as the reference had been given but I couldn't hand notice in until I had sight of the contract.

The terms of the contract are as outlined on the initial info booklet all that changes is the department. If you have confirmation of where you are being placed that's all you will get, after that it's supply the reference or you won't be getting the job.

Unless the reference Check fails the job is yours. Is that what you are concerned about?

November Golf

Hi Chats2020,

I kinda have to agree with Doc22, you said you'd rather keep it quite until you get a placement offer and make a decision - As far as I'm aware with the new format, they call candidates to interview for specific vacancies. They must have asked if you were willing to accept an offer in your chosen location before interview and said yes.

Unless you have reason to believe that you won't pass the garda vetting, I think its time to decide.

Reference Checks

Before being deemed suitable for appointment to a position, the PAS must be satisfied in respect of character and prior work performance, if any, of a candidate. In order to do so, the PAS will arrange to conduct reference checks.

Should you be successful at interview, the PAS will require a reference from your current employer (if any) and will notify you before contacting same.

Should you have any gaps in your employment over the last 12 months, PAS may request you to provide evidence from the Office of the Revenue Commissioners and/or Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. Information on how to obtain this evidence will be provided should you come under consideration for a postion.

Additionally, you will be required to provide a character reference. A character reference must be from someone well acquainted (but not related) to you e.g. School/ University/Volunteer Group/Sports Club. This may not include members of the House of the Oireachtas or members of An Garda Síochána.

Icbaby

Chats2020 wrote: »

They have actually specified my current HR dept and it will be done via email, they will email my HR with a form to be filled in. I have not seen any offer and will not until I pass this part of the clearance they have made that very clear. I have tried explaining my situation , but they won’t budge on it. And then what happens if you expose yourself to your current employer and PAS withdraw the offer, I could end up with no job. It’s possibly one of the worst positions I have been put in employment wise.

I was the same but to be honest if you’ve passed your interview and you know you will pass Garda Vetting and your reference then your job offer will stand. What you need to ask yourself is if your willing to take whatever they offer you to get yourself into public service. They must have told you whereabouts your being placed. For me I loved my previous job and wasn’t sure what to do and then they needed my reference before my vetting was backed and I panicked in case something went wrong (I’ve never been in trouble in my life) but it’s the uncertainty of telling your job before you have a contract. I did do it and it all worked out fine. Also I found PAS to be amazing to alleviate my fears. They are not trying to jam anyone up, just prepping everything to be ready to go.

job seeker

Chats2020 wrote: »

They have actually specified my current HR dept and it will be done via email, they will email my HR with a form to be filled in. I have not seen any offer and will not until I pass this part of the clearance they have made that very clear. I have tried explaining my situation , but they won’t budge on it. And then what happens if you expose yourself to your current employer and PAS withdraw the offer, I could end up with no job. It’s possibly one of the worst positions I have been put in employment wise.

Persoanlly I would just go ahead and see how it plays out. But it wouldn't effect my sleep or anything as I couldn't see PAS looking for a reference if you were'nt going to be offered it. Also, does people not come and go from your job? Leaving a job is never anything personal and you've got to do what's right for you at the end of the day. I don't know what you work at either. But a job in the public sector would be better than 99% of job when you consider it's benefits.

BB2020

Hi all
I am lokking for some advice if i may
I am stating in dublin port at the end of the month and was just wondering if anyone on here has experience of working down there some of the work is outside .
Are you provided with a uniform or work boots for this role and in general what would be the dress code for a clerical officer sorry if it seems a stupid question but its hardly a full suit & tie number ?
Thanks in advance

doc22

BB2020 wrote: »

Hi all
I am lokking for some advice if i may
I am stating in dublin port at the end of the month and was just wondering if anyone on here has experience of working down there some of the work is outside .
Are you provided with a uniform or work boots for this role and in general what would be the dress code for a clerical officer sorry if it seems a stupid question but its hardly a full suit & tie number ?
Thanks in advance

Ask HR but I'd agree with above

Blanchguy

Jeans/slacks and a polo shirt would make you a well dressed CO. Things to avoid would be football tops etc.

BB2020

doc22 wrote: »

Ask HR but I'd agree with above

Yep have sent a mail with a few queries just waiting on a replay
Any way looking forward to getting started

BB2020

Blanchguy wrote: »

Jeans/slacks and a polo shirt would make you a well dressed CO. Things to avoid would be football tops etc.

Thank you sir

newbie18892

Blanchguy wrote: »

Jeans/slacks and a polo shirt would make you a well dressed CO. Things to avoid would be football tops etc.

Depends on where you work I suppose. My friend is a CO and she isn't allowed wear jeans/trainers/t-shirts. Has to be professional slacks or skirt and a blouse/dress. She isn't even allowed wear nail polish or dye her hair.

rcrell1

Hi just had an interview last Friday. They told me I would hear back within 2 weeks. Just wondering what’s format does it take now. If successful are you placed on another panel. Are you given an OOM number based on your interview. How soon would one commence work etc if successful etc. thanks in advance

dublindcdyds

Your given an order of merit for this particular position based on your interview. Then the waiting game until they reach that number.
They'll ring you and ask if your still interested and send out the vetting forms, this took about 5 days for me. They also send out reference forms, asking for further confirmation of your id and a health declaration.

Once the vetting comes back, they advise your application is with hr strategy and they request to contact your current employer for a reference.

Each stage roughly took 1-2 weeks.

Roughly from the point of interview to the job offer, it was 2 months and then my notice period.

RemzRoller

dublindcdyds wrote: »

Your given an order of merit for this particular position based on your interview. Then the waiting game until they reach that number.
They'll ring you and ask if your still interested and send out the vetting forms, this took about 5 days for me. They also send out reference forms, asking for further confirmation of your id and a health declaration.

Once the vetting comes back, they advise your application is with hr strategy and they request to contact your current employer for a reference.

Each stage roughly took 1-2 weeks.

Roughly from the point of interview to the job offer, it was 2 months and then my notice period.

What number were you placed after your interview?

L390

dublindcdyds wrote: »

Your given an order of merit for this particular position based on your interview. Then the waiting game until they reach that number.
They'll ring you and ask if your still interested and send out the vetting forms, this took about 5 days for me. They also send out reference forms, asking for further confirmation of your id and a health declaration.

Once the vetting comes back, they advise your application is with hr strategy and they request to contact your current employer for a reference.

Each stage roughly took 1-2 weeks.

Roughly from the point of interview to the job offer, it was 2 months and then my notice period.

I had interview 12th august got word next day I was placed in batch 7 and haven't heard a thing since !!!!

dublindcdyds

I was in the top 20

RemzRoller

L390 wrote: »

I had interview 12th august got word next day I was placed in batch 7 and haven't heard a thing since !!!!

Seems strange I would have thought you would have heard by now.

Green farmer

dublindcdyds wrote: »

Once the vetting comes back, they advise your application is with hr strategy and they request to contact your current employer for a reference.

Each stage roughly took 1-2 weeks.

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What happens if you've been self employed for a good number of years ? Do they take character references instead ?

dublindcdyds

I'd say they would have to accommodate those factors. I think i might have read it somewhere that they allow this for your second reference.
Only sure way to know is to ask when the time comes.

[Deleted User]

BB2020 wrote: »

Hi all
I am lokking for some advice if i may
I am stating in dublin port at the end of the month and was just wondering if anyone on here has experience of working down there some of the work is outside .
Are you provided with a uniform or work boots for this role and in general what would be the dress code for a clerical officer sorry if it seems a stupid question but its hardly a full suit & tie number ?
Thanks in advance

I read in the information booklet they provide you with a uniform. But for the training I imagine you'll be wearing your own clothes. Having worked in the civil service before the dress code is quite relaxed. I'd go for smart casual, slacks, jumper etc.

Can I ask you when you interviewed for the role? I have one coming up in October. How was the interview, do you have any tips?

abbeybella

Any idea what OOM they have reached in Dublin and if called for interview is it a zoom call? thanks

EmmetWhitey

abbeybella wrote: »

Any idea what OOM they have reached in Dublin and if called for interview is it a zoom call? thanks

Not sure what OOM they reached but interviews are still Zoom call as of last Friday anyways

BB2020

Hi
I interviewed in august via zoom 2 main interviewers and a note taker in the back round i found it good 30 min mainly focuses on your application form they look for examples of when you solved a problem when you contributed to a team effort etc and a few questions relating to the information booklet overall very positive two really nice interviewers study your app form amd the booklet be yourself and you will be fine best of luck

L390

BB2020 wrote: »

Hi
I interviewed in august via zoom 2 main interviewers and a note taker in the back round i found it good 30 min mainly focuses on your application form they look for examples of when you solved a problem when you contributed to a team effort etc and a few questions relating to the information booklet overall very positive two really nice interviewers study your app form amd the booklet be yourself and you will be fine best of luck

Have you been placed yet ..I had interview in august too

Hydration

BB2020 wrote: »

Hi all
I am lokking for some advice if i may
I am stating in dublin port at the end of the month and was just wondering if anyone on here has experience of working down there some of the work is outside .
Are you provided with a uniform or work boots for this role and in general what would be the dress code for a clerical officer sorry if it seems a stupid question but its hardly a full suit & tie number ?
Thanks in advance

Are you in Terminal 9 or Terminal 10?

dublindcdyds

T10