FrancieBrady wrote: » There is paddywhackery in Irish pubs all over the world GD...you should get out in the world and see them. Ever see the paddywhackery that goes on when we have a US president here...the pint of Guinness and the stereotypes all rolled out. One pub in one suburb does not a theory make sadly. Not interested in your peculiar form of self loathing anymore so I will disengage on this tiresome stereotypical ranting from you. May the road rise with you and begorrah and begosh etc etc.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Not true you have obviously never being in the players lounge in fairview Dublin before it was burnt down. Prime example of the Republican voter base in the ROI.https://www.herald.ie/news/im-not-going-to-be-intimidated-by-drug-dealers-irish-soccer-aces-dad-27963490.html Previously owned by John Stokes - Republican and father of Anthony Stokes. . The pub had the usual Paddy whackery inside Tricolours all over-Ceitic and so on. Alan Ryan Real IRA used to drink there and there was an attempt on his life there as wellhttps://www.herald.ie/news/how-we-reported-on-ryans-reign-of-terror-in-capital-28016963.htmlhttps://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0726/133764-fairview/ Republicanism attracts Ireland's best and brightest? :rolleyes:
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yes...but if I make claims I back them up...always. You just come out with Celtic top wearing stereotypical notions about Irish people redolent of the Bernard Manning type British comedians of the '70's - the stupid Oirish Paddy. Keep it up...it's a great reveal.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You ARE the stereotype in my opinion. I enlightened enough to think beyond that. Plus what in my last post is not true only the fact it does not fit your glorious Republican narrative? As for repetition you have about 30k posts on the same overlapping topics. I assume each one is different to the last?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Tired repetition doesn't make what you rant about true GD. You have to move away from stereotypes to be taken credibly.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » To me the irony is it is an imaginary sense of Irishness to get rid of an imaginary line. As I already have said there is huge cultural appropriation from England to Ireland. Most of these so called Republicans partake in English culture happily. The 'look how Irish I am' anti-partition line seems very hollow to me. Ask most people on the street in the ROI they would say at the top of thier head - a UI would be nice to have but are not too bothered. Others use it as a misguided badge like a Celtic jersey. There is no thought about what partition would mean. Taxes and so on. Plus the more sensible will have to mediate the hardline versions of Down Cow and Francie Brady. Expecting them suddenly to co-exist in a regime change. Plus the British were the only ones to Unite Ireland in any case as before it was merely a collection of clans. There is myth that has grown up that the High King was the authority in Ireland - but there were variants many were unaccepted and without full authority in the Gaelic World. It was largely ceremonial at times. Ironically the cause of partition was the IRA. It would never have been divided if they did not go against public opinion in 1916. Irish nationalists were disgusted. After that lets be honest SF only got elected on a landslide on the back of a sympathy vote. Sympathy ran out quickly in a few short years. All this rotten legacy stuff... No look at positives! The people of Ireland speak English and make it economically attractive for business, migrants, tourists. Easier for Irish people to get jobs worldwide. Also the British set up the Irish Civil Service, Ireland follows the Common Law system of jurisprudence from the English.There is also fine Architecture in Ireland built by the British. Irish roads built by Irish developers loyal to the crown Luke Gardiner who planned and developed- Gardiner Street and Mountjoy Square for example.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » The vast majority of Irish people have similar opinions on the British state's rotten legacy in Ireland, unfortunately for you that does not stop at the imaginary line that runs through Ulster.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Oddballs - both sides of the Nordie divide.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It give youse all a good jolt. Instead of artists painting the sides of houses with glorified guff. Youse all hide from it and dance around it claiming one side is more to blame than the other. It has warped minds and youse barely know the difference between right and wrong anymore always some justification or other. And the use of couched language youse can't even talk straight and honestly. I dunno how youse have not ended up in white coats after decades of even listening to it all. Oddballs - both sides of the Nordie divide.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Other than those who select certain emotive victims off the list who is hiding from it? And how does a stone monument promote reconciliation? Any examples of this?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Make people stop hiding from it and realise what a waste it all was.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The names are available to anyone who wants them despite the selected list of victims used here. What makes you think carving them in stone is going to reconcile anything?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » As long as everything balanced warts and all I would have zero issue whatsoever. A glorification and people picking bits for one side I would not be for, with no context. Plus there should be a memorial listing all the 3000 dead in the troubles all names listed in stone. IRA, civilians, UVF the whole shebang. A life is a life at the end of the day. Both sides would probably hate it - but it needs facing up to. On that day Ireland would be ready to reconcile in whatever form Ireland takes in future.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Thread is not about me GD. So you would be happy with Martin McGuinness being given a state commemoration or Bobby Storey or Michael Stone? Could you answer the question without fulminating about me?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ran away from what? I just got bored listening to you. I think it a bit sad when all you seemed to have going for you is a hopeful end of partition and a defence of Republicanism. I have never seen you post elsewhere other than SF related stuff. The IRA already gets commemorated every April through the reading of the proclamation. If you want an IRA commemoration all jazzed up no probs can have it one month and an RIC one the next. As long as everything is fair and balanced warts and all for both sides.
downcow wrote: » This would be some outfit to even consider commemorating. Your advice was go to the horses mouth
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Really? I distinctly remember being on holidays in a mobile home in Portrush when I was a kid, not 10 years old at the time. A big bunch of us kids used to play together in the mobile home site playground. There was one kid that got called by his Da every evening and used to run off in a sort of half-panic shouting 'I have to go to band practice'. I didn't realise until many years later what was happening, the kid couldn't even get a break from indoctrination into his loyalist future on his holidays. So spare us the rosy Enid Blyton picture you're painting of your 'culture'.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Join the party downcow...other than that you or I have no say. You have a problem with individuals in a party...don't vote for them. If you have incriminating evidence bring it to the police. If I think of any other advice I will let you know.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And the lies begin. Where you one of those who ran away from the thread when I asked if you would be happy for the State to celebrate/commemorate the IRA in a new inclusive UI? We know why the usual crew run away from that. BTW I don't think the State should give a commemoration to the IRA due to the sensitivities involved.
downcow wrote: » Kids learn to play band music also football, PlayStation etc with no financial support, funded summer schools, etc. Simply because they want to, and in the case of loyalist bands, because other young adults want to teach and encourage them.
downcow wrote: » Francie I have a quick look at that website and it made me feel quite ill. To see Colm Murphy standing smiling, when I think of all the homes which are crying tonight because of his actions. The murder, torture, and protection of paedophiles and rapists is nothing short of sickening. When do you think Sinn Fein will clear out this old guard that managed the rape of both adults and children, not to mention the sectarian slaughter, and some of them British agents to boot (although I do not think Murphy was a British agent)
So, Republicans didn't write ballads about it. I'm not sure whether you think this is a good thing or a bad thing! Would you prefer if there were ballads about it?
I'm just as good a story about your beloved Tans who played russian roulette with my father's head who was only a child, watched by his widowed mother and his sister when they were searching for IRA guns in their rural farmhouse. They shot the dog instead. My aunt, who was about 13 at the time. The women were lucky they were not raped I suppose. There are hundred of stories like this of women and children being raped and beaten by the Tans. Forgive me if I excuse myself from glorfying anything got to do with them when in Ireland.
So, no one is denying all these things happened? Is your issue that we don't talk about them enough.
By the way, do you know anything about the Wexford Massacre that took place a few weeks later? 90-100 people massacred! List of Irish massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Ireland
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It actually set a UI back decades and decades.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Go to the horse's mouth... www.sinnfein.ie Same as everyone else lacking in info does
BloodyBill wrote: » RIC ... one of the finest Police forces of their time.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » If anyone is deflecting it is you. You are a fella whose sense of Irishness seems to be based on how much you don't like the Brits. Basically your Daddy's influence. Your language is lost and culture. Only thing you have left is to be anti partition. And anti-Brit. That seems to be the summation of your Republicanism and 'Irishness'. So much so you were unable to your Irishness when asked. You deflected and said you are Irish in your own wee way! Yet you supported Notts Forrest! Yet you have the neck to link SF with inclusiveness and enlightenment. The Provos are the same crowd who stopped thier women killing soliders by using honey traps because it was not morally pure. The women were sent back to deliver messages instead!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_Honey_Trap_killings Anti-partition is your last pretense at showing how Irish you are. Let's be honest. But I suppose at least you live near a border area and were brainwashed by your background. It sounds even more silly when the same Republican guff comes from a working class Dub for eample, no Irish. limited knowledge of history but feels lrish because he supports Celtic. Real joke those are. For UI to work it needs compromise. How can there be compromise from Republican thicks with a limited knowledge of Irish history and hatred of all things Brit and Unionist. Except the EPL and Celtic!
gormdubhgorm wrote: » All you have to is go back to the RIC commemoration thread and read the contortions Francie Brady came up with. Best he could come up with was a local celebration out of sight out of mind. Yet on the other hand he thinks Ireland is ready for an inclusive NI
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Rubbish women and children burned alive in a barn -200! How do excuse that?
If it fitted the Republican agenda ballads would have been sung about it. It is agenda led simple as that, the mock outrage about the commemoration of the RIC proved this.
No mention of Eamonn Ceannt's father RIC officer James Kent for instance. Or the Irish RIC men killed in Solhedbeg. One a widower gaeilgoir who was killed in the ambush - outnumbered - 8 to 2. He left behind five orphan kids.
How do I know about the Scullabogue massacre? The same reason how I know about Harold Washington who was killed by Kevin Barry who was older than him. Less than 18 summers about 15/16. I have a interest in history not just a narrow viewpoint of it as decreed by a Republican narrative.
Plus that 'living memory' guff is a cop out you know it and I know it. If Ireland only remembers its agenda led history to suit a republican narrative no hope of a UI.
