brianhere wrote: » So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.
brianhere wrote: » All social/population control measures introduced by the state security apparatus as a result of this health scare will be, and have always intended to be, permanent in my view. Here are a few reasons why: a) Because they already have shown that they are stringing people along. The publicans, for example, have been assured every couple of weeks for the whole summer that they will be allowed to reopen, but the government had no intention of allowing this. First it was to stop the spread of the disease altogether, then it was 'flattening the curve' and now it is in response to an increase in cases which they know perfectly well had to follow an increase in testing. You don't want to be the donkey chasing the carrot here! b) Because they have invested so much money and time in changing the whole apparatus of society, in schools for example, and other places. Clearly these changes were not implemented in order to disappear in only a few weeks, they show the planning and expense of permanent measures. c) Because the state has a record of never releasing back to the population rights that they seized during some panic. A few examples: i) During the hype about TB in the 1950s the state introduced a voluntary scheme to control the disease in cattle. It involved those who had tested negative for the disease to be given a special tag and the farmer a 'herd number'. This voluntary scheme then evolved into the state controlling all aspects of agricultural activity by only allowing any such activity - even keeping a few hens - with the permission of the state, via compulsory herd numbers. ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. This was a great shock to the legal profession - even to the then President - and affront to the time honoured legal practices in Ireland but it was rushed through on the basis of sunset clauses whereby it would have to be renewed every year, and hence was temporary. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended. iii) After 9/11 and some hyped episodes like 'underwear bombers', this state and all around the world introduced time consuming and very intrusive security procedures particularly at airports. This of course is still with us long after the scare has died down. d) This last point I am sure some of you will not get, but I will make it anyway. These measures are being rolled out precisely because they have huge social and population control advantages for the state, hence they are only piggy backing on the virus to do what they have all along planned to do, and hence have no intention of ever releasing you in the future from their newly introduced grip. For more details on that see here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgx5mzntpjyqvj9/Communism%20is%20the%20Virus.pdf . So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.
Airyfairy12 wrote: » And dont forget your tin foil hats!
LessOutragePlz wrote: » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM Something like this is a bit too far IMO.
sabat wrote: » Everything that's happening in front of your eyes would have been dismissed as a whacko conspiracy theory nine months ago.
brianhere wrote: » In Ireland in the flu pandemic people most certainly did not socially distance or wear masks, such nonsense they could not get away with then. There was some voluntary closure of cinemas and schools for a while, remember that was a real pandemic in the sense that it had a genuinely high death rate, but all of that was strictly voluntary, no government mandate on those lines was permitted or possible anyway under Irish law at the time.
brianhere wrote: » Good questions but they are answered already if you read the link posted:
brianhere wrote: » You seem to only tolerate simplistic answers
Dohnjoe wrote: » No thanks, I'm not clicking on that, nor am I going to read some lengthy manifesto, or listen to some 3 hour podcast, or watch some 2 hour Youtube video They are straightforward questions
brianhere wrote: » You seem to only tolerate simplistic answers, sometimes it requires going into in a little depth I am afraid! But it's only a small book, it won't bite you!
Dohnjoe wrote: » The world has had pandemics before, the last major one in 1918, people had to wear masks and socially distance. What this current pandemic has done is once again expose that society has a layer of alarmist loons and straight-up morons who are incapable of basic common sense and reasoning.
Elmer Blooker wrote: » You're making that up
In St. Louis, shortly after the first cases of influenza were detected in the city during the 1918 flu pandemic, authorities implemented school closures, bans on public gatherings and other social-distancing interventions.
Newspapers printed instructions for how people could make their own masks at home. People who didn’t comply might face prison time, fines or having their name published in the paper, revealing they were a “mask slacker.” Crosby writes that flu cases in San Francisco declined in early November. Residents continued to wear their masks through the November 5 election, in which Woodrow Wilson won a second term. After armistice on November 11, San Francisco ended its mask order. A spike in January 1919 led the city to implement a second masking order, but this one faced more resistance.
In 1918, the studies found, the key to flattening the curve was social distancing. And that likely remains true a century later, in the current battle against coronavirus. “[T]here is an invaluable treasure trove of useful historical data that has only just begun to be used to inform our actions,” Columbia University epidemiologist Stephen S. Morse wrote in an analysis of the data. “The lessons of 1918, if well heeded, might help us to avoid repeating the same history today.”
But according to Dr Mark Honigsbaum, medical historian and author of The Pandemic Century, the language of 'carry on' originates not from World War Two but World War One. It is traced back to comments made in 1918 by Sir Arthur Newsholme, Britain’s then senior medical officer, in response to the outbreak of Spanish flu, a deadly strain of the H1N1 virus first spotted in late 1917. By late 1918, ministers were aware of the horrific potential impact of the virus, which was known to turn its victims’ bodies blue and black before death, and so drafted a memorandum which advised Britons to isolate themselves at home if they were sick, and avoid any public gatherings. But the nation was also facing its final stretch of the First World War, which had already claimed hundreds of thousands of British lives, and Sir Arthur worried that telling workers to stay at home could hinder Britain's war effort. Men and women needed to return to the factories day after day if Germany was to be defeated, officials believed, and so the memorandum was buried. Instead, Sir Arthur told the Royal Society of Medicine that Britain’s “major duty” was to “carry on” largely as normal, “even when risk to health and life is involved”.
Elmer Blooker wrote: » I see a few US cities made some effort
Dohnjoe wrote: » I wrote that in 1918 people wore masks and socially distanced
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