Augeo wrote: » I don't do much WFH myself but I fear (using that word as it's not great to mandate folk to WFH IMO but such is life currently) many folk will be doing the WFH thing for years to come. Last official spiel was on 18th Aug I think......... People should work from home where it is possible to do so during the COVID-19 pandemic. On 18 August 2020, the Government announced additional public health measures, including that people should work from home unless it is absolutely essential for them to attend in person.https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/health_and_safety/working_at_home.html
The_Conductor wrote: » The advisory on the 18th of August expires on the 13th September- when they're expected to issue new advice. At the moment that new advice may be looking rather unpalatable for Counties Dublin and Limerick- who most certainly are going to be disappointed if they think their pubs are reopening- and could very well be going on lite-form-lockdowns.
awec wrote: » ........ There's no way Vinters or the pub owners themselves will take another delay.
Augeo wrote: » Well, I doubt the WFH guidance will be changing anyway.
Augeo wrote: » Well, I doubt the WFH guidance will be changing anyway. They'll do as instructed Once they open they'll be p1ssing and moaning about low takings anyway ........ disaster either way for them.
awec wrote: » I don't think they will. I know the Vinters are not very popular and have got on people's wick in the past with some of their bull****, particularly around the min pricing stuff etc, but they have been absolutely shafted. You can argue it was necessary, probably not a difficult argument to make, but I don't see it being delayed again.
Cyrus wrote: » im assuming it will actually but maybe not our office in london is reopening at any rate.
PropQueries wrote: » I think the difference between London and Dublin is that many of the jobs in Dublin are back-office/ customer service jobs so are more amenable to remote working in the the long-term, probably permanently. Many jobs in the same organisations in London, New York or Silicon Valley would probably benefit more from employees going back to the office than those in Dublin.
Augeo wrote: » I really don't see the "People should work from home where it is possible to do so" changing, especially in Dublin where further restrictions are likely if you believe what the media are mentioning. England is a totally different kettle of fish, we won't mimic their approach IMO.
Cyrus wrote: » even if that was true why would the government care about, that sounds more like a consideration for an employer.
PropQueries wrote: » That's the scary part. It is a consideration for the employer. Even if they wanted them to come back, good employees may move to organisations that do offer it, so all companies will probably have to offer it, whether they want to or not. For example, the majority of Google employees are WFH until next July. By that stage it will be over a year. They have already or will iron out any disadvantages they see from WFH by that stage and it will have become the norm. Once it becomes the norm, that's it. I don't think employees are going back to the office environment in the numbers that the Governments hope and they should probably be drawing up plans to reflect this.
neutral guy wrote: » I was working with many young lads on many places Many of them live with parents paying house keeping tax And drive cars for which they pay 400 euros per month loan Only them cars insurances are 3-5K per year ! Some cars are worth 40/50 K most lads has phones which cost 600-1000 euros New designer wear from 500 for hoody,runners for 200 euros,etc,etc. Clubs,parties,take aways on weekend And all 500-700 euros per week wage gone trough it Tuesday morning guys does not even have fags and starting asking for one I meet one guy 18 years old,he had saved 35K per 2 years because live with parents and spending evenings and weekends working on local farmer fields after his official work I asked him why did you choose that type of life in his age he looked at me and said I dont need this sht look at those guys they has nothing. What property prices has to be in Ireland to make those young guys finally afford them ? When they prefer spend tens of thousands for car rather than on deposit for mortgage !?
MacronvFrugals wrote: » I already know of 1 IT firm who have listed their office for sale and staff are WFH 100% of the time going forward.
neutral guy wrote: » Look ,we speak about affordable housing for who ? For those who spent them young days that way ? All new age youngsters live that kind of life They does not have money from young days and does not have a clue how to save them !
Hubertj wrote: » why are you making things up again to try and make your point? Do you even know what back office means?
PropQueries wrote: » Worked in the IFSC many many many years ago. Has it changed?
Hubertj wrote: » so you're comapring IFSC with tech services? Different industries. Pure genius.
PropQueries wrote: » Would I be wrong in assuming that the vast majority of Google and Facebook jobs are customer service roles?
Hubertj wrote: » you would be wildly incorrect in that assumption
PropQueries wrote: » This is an article from 2015, so I don't know how relevant it is today. If someone can find more up to date information, it would be helpful. It states: "The accounts show the bulk of staff during 2014, 1,809, were involved in sales and marketing, while 332 were involved in engineering and operations, and 436 were in the “general and administration” category. Total payroll costs in 2014 were €324 million, up from €273 million the previous year." Link to Irish Times article here: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/google-ireland-turnover-rises-to-18-3bn-on-increased-ad-revenue-1.2409160 This is not a debate on the quality of jobs at Google or Facebook. They are quality jobs. It is a debate on whether many of the jobs are indeed back office/ customer service type roles and are more likely to be amenable to WFH than other types of roles e.g. engineering etc., which would be more likely to require such employees to be in an office environment for collaboration etc.
Hubertj wrote: » So they’re neither back office nor customer service roles which you stated they were. I’m not going to school you on what other functions are delivered. Plenty of people will work from home maybe full time while others are very eager to return to office. It’s common sense but there is no need to make stuff up to try and make your point.
OwlsZat wrote: » 3rd? Any link for the league table?
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