z0oT wrote: » I can't help but notice the prices announced aren't *too* unreasonable, certainly not cheap but I honestly expected them to gouge much more. Hopefully, Nvidia know something we don't and that AMD will be more competitive than their previous generations with whatever they have coming next and we'll have actual competition in the GPU market once again even if it's not at the super high end (3090 class). Although, I suspect if the early words about limited availability are true, the early prices will be prohibitive.
Wonda-Boy wrote: » Very good video I posted by PC Centric, basically he was saying that the main reason that nVidia are being super aggressive is to get a real strong foothold in the GPU market. If millions of people are using new nvidia cards with their specific tech (RT & DLSS and this new Storage IO) then that will dictate alot to developers who will be optimising their games for that tech and it will be and money making loop for yrs in the making. Nvidia would love to do to AMD what Intel did for the last decade or so....make them a non runner in the CPU market but in this case the GPU market.
Hyzepher wrote: » AMD's poistion in the CPU and GPU market has given them great gains over the last 2 years. Their involvement in both upcoming consoles will position them at striking distance for the GPU generation after this one i.e. to challenge Nvidia 4000 range Do not under-estimate AMD's ability to provide a CPU/GPU product - akin to both their Xbox and PS5 offering - this will be crazy important down the road when mainstream consumers will be content with Ryzen/Radeon integrated APU chips once GPU price/performance no longer matters. When GPUs can provide 4k @ 144fps then GPU increases will no longer matter to 90% of the descrete graphics consumer. Being able to pair a powerful Ryzen with a 4k/144fps Radeon into one chip will be the end of Nvidia. Imagine €600 for a powerful APU. It might prompt an Intel/Nvidia merger. It might be a few years off but it's coming
BloodBath wrote: » That's not even remotely close to reality though. The bar on graphics demands is always being raised higher. AMD aren't sticking out some magical APU that can do 4k/120hz anytime soon, they can't even make a discrete gpu that can do that, unless we stay at the current graphics level for the next 5-10 years. That's not happening. Discrete GPU's are going nowhere. Meanwhile Nvidia is the one doing all of the innovation.
Hyzepher wrote: » Maybe that's true for the enthusiast gamer but even now 90% of gamers use 1080p resolutions or less. They'd love 4k but will never be able to afford that screen/GPU/CPU combination. Nvidia are making great products and do innovate but maybe their innovation is directed in the wrong areas. 3070, 3080 and 3090 cards are great but even the 2080ti had less then 1% market share. The whole RTX range had less then 10%. The success of the PS5 and Xbox Series X will be interesting as they are essentially APUs Nvidia might be able to produce a GPU that will dance over any future AMD APU but can they survive on 10% market share? Because 90% will be happy with an APU that performs at 4k/60fps let alone 4k/144fps
BloodBath wrote: » Yes and a few years ago the majority were at 720p. Eventually they will be at 2k while the mid range will be 4k and high end will be 8k. That's generally how progression works. But they also have 80% of the discrete market on PC. Consoles will always be their own thing with their own audience with some crossover with PC. APU's have shown no signs of taking off outside of consoles and laptops. AMD have not even attempted a high end apu yet outside of the consoles. They are entry level chips that can barely do 1080p, nm 4k. There's also the issue of massive hardware and software gaps between them and Nvidia atm. Nvidia took a gamble changing their arch to a multi specialized chip role but it's paying off in spades and most of their software inovation is coming from this. AMD aren't even close.
Hyzepher wrote: » I agree with most of this and that's why I prefaced my comments with the statement that this is unlikely until the step up in GPU performance no longer matters to the general gamer.
Macker1 wrote: » I was looking for a white coloured GPU for a recent white themed build. Not many options at the current 2000 series. Any thoughts on when or if white coloured 3000 series GPU's would become available. Very niche market based on lack of options.
BloodBath wrote: » As long as the step up is big which it will be then there's always a market for it. I would love to see AMD attempt a high end desktop APU that maybe even bundles in some HBM graphics memory on the package but for whatever reason they aren't doing it. I think down the line that may well be the way things go. The majority of power usage in PC's is spend transferring data. The further it has to go the less efficient it's going to be. Bundling everything onto the 1 package is probably the future but it doesn't seem too close.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » Disagree on the slow updates to AMD drivers for GPUs. We got three updates in August, one of them was even working properly.
BloodBath wrote: » Exactly. AMD are miles behind Nvidia in the gpu market and I don't think RDNA2 is going change that. They have a bad rep for a reason, crap drivers, not updated often enough, terrible stock coolers, not competitive in the high end for over 5 years. Nvidia have already capitalized on that and are not giving AMD an inch to catch up. They are only extending their lead. AMD need massive investment into their gpu division, both in hardware and software if they want to compete again and change their deserved poor image in the gpu market. Even selling at little to no profit to try and regain some reasonable market share and public image.
jonski wrote: » I'm guessing here, and going to wait until proper reviews are out but I'm thinking my 3 year old EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2, 80+ PLATINUM 650W is going to be as bit under what I would need for the 3080 ?
grogi wrote: » Which ones? I don't want to be guinea pig here
Squidgy Black wrote: » A lot of build calculators are still saying 650w is fine with the TDP for a 3080 once you're not rocking a huge TDP cpu like the 10900k that Nvidia used for testing. For example my Ryzen 5 3600, 2x8gb DDR4 sticks, 2 SSDs + NVME, HDD, 4 Fans and an AIO are showing at a max load wattage of 540w on OuterVision when you add a 3080 into the equation. Now that's without any overclocking on the either the CPU or GPU, when you start pushing up on either the load gets closer to around 600w
K.O.Kiki wrote: » You can't trust any calculators if no one has benchmarked the cards yet.
Cordell wrote: » But not on today's desktop grade MBs and CPUs...
Cordell wrote: » The issue is with the MB/CPU/Firmware not supporting SR-IOV, not with the card itself. So it may be working, but only on server motherboards.
Hi there So a little more info for you guys. It is still early days but on the 17th we will have stock on 3080's, volumes it is still to soon to comment but even if we get 100 or 1000 cards they will sell out quickly, the amount of searches on our webshop for the 3080 is into the thousands. Also 3090 shall be in stock on 24th also, but again same situation as 3080, the demand is looking to be huge.
