F1 2020 :Round 8 Monza

weekaizer · 06-09-2020 11:50pm

Just watched the race... absolutely delighted for Gasly after everything he went through last year... he has Unquestionably been driver of the season for me this year.

Hyzepher · 07-09-2020 12:19am

I think Mercedes were victim of the fact that Lewis was so close to the pits when the SC was deployed and the pit was closed. Another couple of seconds and the team might have been able to react to the notice of the pit closing. I'd love to see the timings of the SC being deployed, the pit being closed and the teams being notified. Especially since he wasn't the only car caught out by it

vectra · 07-09-2020 2:05am

Gintonious wrote: »

I wish F1 was like this all the time.

Delighted for Gasly, love an underdog win.

FIA, take note, this is what we all want!

And now we can see exactly why Mercedes objected to the reverse grid suggestion.

Harika · 07-09-2020 7:03am

Hyzepher wrote: »

I think Mercedes were victim of the fact that Lewis was so close to the pits when the SC was deployed and the pit was closed. Another couple of seconds and the team might have been able to react to the notice of the pit closing. I'd love to see the timings of the SC being deployed, the pit being closed and the teams being notified. Especially since he wasn't the only car caught out by it

Was wondering why did Mercedes Hamilton and Giovanazzi mess this up, but the rest of the field saw the pitlane closure.

geotrig · 07-09-2020 8:58am

For once a great race but it could have been very different , lewis's car was just miles faster and anytime he was in front it was obvious without the mercedes cock up would have walked it .

As someone else said any of the top four winning would have been great
I've never seen Sainz so hungry for a win , Gasly drove brilliantly considering Sainz was chasing him down sloooowly and Stroll wasn't bad in general after the start's ! either way it was great seeing a fairly even front runners battle.
Getting rid of the engine modes was a good step but doesn't fix the Mercedes problem yet by any means and will probably only benefit some races like this.

Redbulls seemed to have struggled for whatever reason,along with Bottas maybe their engine setup mode for the race in general was wrong.

klose · 07-09-2020 10:01am

The sky lads were going on about reverse grid qualifying or something to that extent yesterday after Hamilton went to the back of the field and it was a cracking race thereafter, what exactly do they mean by that?

07-09-2020 10:13am

klose wrote: »

The sky lads were going on about reverse grid qualifying or something to that extent yesterday after Hamilton went to the back of the field and it was a cracking race thereafter, what exactly do they mean by that?

This explains it quite well. He goes through all the different types of qualifying so far and talks about reverse grid at approx 3:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byVKPvd69JE

murphyebass · 07-09-2020 10:13am

klose wrote: »

The sky lads were going on about reverse grid qualifying or something to that extent yesterday after Hamilton went to the back of the field and it was a cracking race thereafter, what exactly do they mean by that?

You need to watch some F2 or F3.

Reminds me of this clip though. Vettels a legend.

https://youtu.be/VTAPL-xz7HY

flazio · 07-09-2020 10:19am

Let's not forget here that the Mercedes-Benz stormed through 10 cars to finish 7th. Any other driver doing that would have been strong contender for driver of the day.
Mind you this isn't the first time Honda power has stopped a Spaniard driven McLaren from winning a race.

murphyebass · 07-09-2020 10:26am

flazio wrote: »

Let's not forget here that the Mercedes-Benz stormed through 10 cars to finish 7th. Any other driver doing that would have been strong contender for driver of the day.
Mind you this isn't the first time Honda power has stopped a Spaniard driven McLaren from winning a race.

Part of me wanted to seem him get all the way to 1st again to show what a complete sham of a sport it’s become but I was happier to see him nowhere near the podium.

AMKC · 07-09-2020 10:48am

flazio wrote: »

Let's not forget here that the Mercedes-Benz stormed through 10 cars to finish 7th. Any other driver doing that would have been strong contender for driver of the day.
Mind you this isn't the first time Honda power has stopped a Spaniard driven McLaren from winning a race.

When was the last time. Was it 2007?

flazio · 07-09-2020 10:54am

AMKC wrote: »

When was the last time. Was it 2007?

All throughout 2015 to the end of 2018.

recyclebin · 07-09-2020 11:13am

flazio wrote: »

Let's not forget here that the Mercedes-Benz stormed through 10 cars to finish 7th. Any other driver doing that would have been strong contender for driver of the day.
Mind you this isn't the first time Honda power has stopped a Spaniard driven McLaren from winning a race.

Excellent brainteaser

ELM327 · 07-09-2020 11:28am

antodeco wrote: »

Favourite part of the season so far. Gasly sat on his own the podium. The pure emotion caught on that was amazing

Absolutely, and a welcome change from the usual get in there lewis and all that nonsense for an above average driver in the best car by miles.

chicorytip wrote: »

Raikkonen was hopeless. No pace or stamina. Old man - should have retired in 2018.

Are you delusional? Have you watched a 2020 race?
His tires went off, he had the slowest engine in the second worst car. How did Gio do?

vectra · 07-09-2020 11:40am

flazio wrote: »

Let's not forget here that the Mercedes-Benz stormed through 10 cars to finish 7th. Any other driver doing that would have been strong contender for driver of the day.
Mind you this isn't the first time Honda power has stopped a Spaniard driven McLaren from winning a race.

Stormed through??
Passed 10 cars?
That's a joke to be honest, What decent cars did he pass?

ELM327 · 07-09-2020 11:41am

vectra wrote: »

Stormed through??
Passed 10 cars?
That's a joke to be honest, What decent cars did he pass?

Haases, alfa, etc
Backmarkers.

Like passing a minardi/tyrell/lola/pacific/forti etc back in the 90s.

Joeface · 07-09-2020 12:08pm

He did pass 10 cars getting to 7th , but I did not see it as been as easy as what Mercedes normally get. Even looking at the over take on Russell highlights it , He had DRS against the Williams and it actually looks laboured , He is faster but I expected it to be more. Mercedes were saying he would make to P6 and Normally that would be a given , but with out the other engine modes and Been stuck behind cars . It really did hamper him. A lot of off racing line driving to cool off the engine . Mercedes had to do that more than any other Team as far as I could see in the cooling off , or maybe TV just showed that for the Drama.

Bottas cannot afford another bad start , he just got swallowed up and really struggled against the straight line speed of the Renault powered cars Was enough to keep him at bay.

07-09-2020 12:13pm

More of the same next weekend please.

I didn’t nod off for one second even in the 25 minute intermission. That’s a first for me so far this season

Killinator · 07-09-2020 12:14pm

They said afterwards that this result really hurt Bottas's world championship hopes but I disagree, he's never had a hope.
Every year we get 'the new Bottas' who wins in Australia. It'll be 'different this year', he looks 'fired up and intense'.
A race later he's back to accepting a number 2 role and sounding mildly miffed on the radio every now and again and not showing any winners instinct whatsoever.
He was highly regarded when he was at Williams and many hoped he'd get a chance at a big team, the difference being he DID actually get the big move and has been utterly disappointing since replacing Rosberg.
Rosberg knew Hamilton was the chosen one and he was the other driver but decided he'd go out and do something about it, Bottas just seems content to finish where he finishes, never wanting more.

kksaints · 07-09-2020 12:21pm

Joeface wrote: »

He did pass 10 cars getting to 7th , but I did not see it as been as easy as what Mercedes normally get. Even looking at the over take on Russell highlights it , He had DRS against the Williams and it actually looks laboured , He is faster but I expected it to be more. Mercedes were saying he would make to P6 and Normally that would be a given , but with out the other engine modes and Been stuck behind cars . It really did hamper him. A lot of off racing line driving to cool off the engine . Mercedes had to do that more than any other Team as far as I could see in the cooling off , or maybe TV just showed that for the Drama.

Bottas cannot afford another bad start , he just got swallowed up and really struggled against the straight line speed of the Renault powered cars Was enough to keep him at bay.

I'd agree with this the Mercedes did not look as impressive as it usually is once it was in amongst cars. It's obviously still the best car on the grid but I can see why they went hard against the reverse grid suggestion.

Agent Smith · 07-09-2020 12:30pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Coulthard claiming F1 shot itself in the foot with Hamilton's penalty because how would the driver or team know ......

Funny how every other team (other then Alpha) knew not to pit. i watched it and couldnt understand why Sainz didnt pit straight away when it came out, but he, like everyone else (execpt for giovinancci) knew the pitlane was closed.

Also, I loved when Hamilton went full on karen, and compalined to the stewards DURING the race.

Just another reason to hate him. Until he's racing in a williams or a hass, he's always going to come across as spoilt and whingy.

Genuinely feel sad for vettle. 4 time world champ reduced to racing for this husk of a former great team.

thank you for reading my TED Talk.

Hijpo · 07-09-2020 12:40pm

Did I hear correct that Hamilton figured he could best the rest by 5 seconds of he waited until the second lap to do the penalty instead of immediately after the SC?

afatbollix · 07-09-2020 12:42pm

No he said he could pull a 5 second gap after 3 laps.

Which he did at the begining of the race. But it didn't matter as James said he would come out in fresh air when ever he pitted so it didn't matter.

Hijpo · 07-09-2020 12:44pm

afatbollix wrote: »

No he said he could pull a 5 second gap after 3 laps.

Which he did at the begining of the race. But it didn't matter as James said he would come out in fresh air when ever he pitted so it didn't matter.

Ah, cheers for clarifying.

flazio · 07-09-2020 1:49pm

Bottas had floor damage if I recall after murdering the kerbs on the way to the grid. That's why it felt like he had a puncture at the start.

Charlie-Bravo · 07-09-2020 1:55pm

Ocon wasn't playing cute and tried to hang the team yesterday:

https://twitter.com/chris1701D/status/1302665845110460419?s=19

ELM327 · 07-09-2020 2:09pm

Wow. Awkward.

Harika · 07-09-2020 2:24pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/1302954663889776640

Don't you love the Banter?

Did you see the overtake?
No he was in my rear mirrors.

vectra · 07-09-2020 5:28pm

Joeface wrote: »

He did pass 10 cars getting to 7th , but I did not see it as been as easy as what Mercedes normally get. Even looking at the over take on Russell highlights it , He had DRS against the Williams and it actually looks laboured , He is faster but I expected it to be more. Mercedes were saying he would make to P6 and Normally that would be a given , but with out the other engine modes and Been stuck behind cars . It really did hamper him. A lot of off racing line driving to cool off the engine . Mercedes had to do that more than any other Team as far as I could see in the cooling off , or maybe TV just showed that for the Drama.

Bottas cannot afford another bad start , he just got swallowed up and really struggled against the straight line speed of the Renault powered cars Was enough to keep him at bay.

Did you listen to the build up?
It was specifically reported that the mercs were down on top speed.

murphyebass · 07-09-2020 5:30pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Ocon wasn't playing cute and tried to hang the team yesterday:

https://twitter.com/chris1701D/status/1302665845110460419?s=19

That’s ****in brilliant.

He should have kept saying it like it was. I’d say the engineer would have eventually gone SHUUUTT UP!!!!!!!

Hijpo · 07-09-2020 5:39pm

murphyebass wrote: »

That’s ****in brilliant.

He should have kept saying it like it was. I’d say the engineer would have eventually gone SHUUUTT UP!!!!!!!

So was he highlighting something they knew was going to happen from the start and didnt bother mitigating against or was it a decision made or not made during the race?

Is there more info on it?

Joeface · 07-09-2020 6:27pm

vectra wrote: »

Did you listen to the build up?
It was specifically reported that the mercs were down on top speed.

I did listen to build up, mercs were down on their top speed didn't mean they were slower than everyone else , Their issue was more to do with the car not been good in traffic and it hampered its performance .

Race Maximum Speeds:

https://external-preview.redd.it/ifOKpTIsBiXBLmZMKYiYqz_cf5wTgn9EGdLNKxrgVwA.jpg?auto=webp&a9352252

Rowley Birkin QC · 07-09-2020 6:40pm

I introduced someone to F1 a little while back through DTS and have watched all the races with them so far. The interest was slightly waning before yesterday's race but wow, what a day. Really lived up to Murray Walker's "anything can happen in F1....and it usually does" quote that's seared into my brain from the old Playstation games!

Unbelievable drama. I have no real problem with Hamilton or the Mercs, they make an obviously great team and are excelling within the bounds of the regs laid down by the FIA. It's just a pity no-one has kept up with them. That said, it was absolutely amazing to have them both out of contention and a "real" race for the win, not just the scraps in the mid-table.

It was also excellent to see Hamilton having to make up places, it was actually unusual for him to get so much screen time. The post-race excitement was palpable.

All in, yesterday should be a lesson to the FIA of what kind of genie they need to bottle, somehow. Unexpected results, high tension all the way to the line and real emotion on display atop the podium.

murphyebass · 07-09-2020 7:53pm

Hijpo wrote: »

So was he highlighting something they knew was going to happen from the start and didnt bother mitigating against or was it a decision made or not made during the race?

Is there more info on it?

No sure but Renault really didn’t want it being talked about publicly that’s for sure!

AMKC · 07-09-2020 10:43pm

murphyebass wrote: »

That’s ****in brilliant.

He should have kept saying it like it was. I’d say the engineer would have eventually gone SHUUUTT UP!!!!!!!

It should have just said but this is my work office and I want to say what I think we should have done now.

Agent Smith · 07-09-2020 11:29pm

Hijpo wrote: »

Did I hear correct that Hamilton figured he could best the rest by 5 seconds of he waited until the second lap to do the penalty instead of immediately after the SC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuLn6hv27Y

RonanG86 · 08-09-2020 12:36am

Hijpo wrote: »

So was he highlighting something they knew was going to happen from the start and didnt bother mitigating against or was it a decision made or not made during the race?

Is there more info on it?

Apparently Renault did not have a set of medium tires in warmers ready for the re-start and thus had to send him out on softs after the red flag, cos he'd have crashed or had no pace for the first 2 laps on stone cold mediums. Obviously the softs dropped off in performance a lot quicker than correctly warmed mediums would have, inhibiting Ocon's ability to stay with the pack.

I don't know how that happens considering they seem to be stored in the warmers during a race. Some eejit must've forgotten to plug the warmers in or something.

I'm not the biggest Ocon fan, but I'd be pissed too. That's amateur hour.

Corben Dallas · 08-09-2020 1:16am

Amazing result for Gasly.. so happy for him (would not have minded if Sainz go the result either)

Its just as well Gasly pushed so hard to make a gap after he got the lead, otherwise Sainz would have got him. What saved him is that Sainz only got DRS (within 1 sec) for one lap.

Well done Pierre.

Anyone think that Stroll out braking himself, going straight on at second chicane and then booting it in run off area to rejoin exactly behind the car (Alfa?) with zero loss of position is wrong? (he was behind the Alfa when he went off and came back right behind him???? They should have a slow lane rejoin for anyone that completely missing the corner.

The party Mode ban seems to have worked, especially in the race, as if Lewis was able to crank the engine to max power party mode after his stop go, he might have got back to 3rd/4th.

dublinman1990 · 08-09-2020 3:51am

I had Twitter spoiling the result for me yesterday. But watching the highlights on C4 made me absolutely delighted to see Pierre winning the race at Monza. It was a delightful result for him & for Alpha Tauri. Just seeing & hearing his reaction happening like being in total disbelief when he crossed the line was a magnificent feeling. He was an exceptional winner at Monza yesterday & felt like he was on Cloud 9. Well done to you Pierre for giving us this unexpected surprise. It was terrific.

I think Toto Wolff summed up the race to the guys on C4 yesterday evening to say that Pierre's win was refreshing to watch a pure motorsport fan. I have to admit in the current era of F1; he is most definitely right to say that at the current time. It's completely rare for F1 to go off the script if you're a normal long term F1 fan who would be seeing the performances of the other drivers & knowing their pre-determined outcomes already even if they haven't begun their full race.

Just imagine the feeling of last year's win by LeClerc & putting that into this year's race. To see that effect being expanded by over a year later with the win being given to Pierre Gasly. What could you have said about it if the Alpha Tauri fans were there. They could have literally screamed the lungs off themselves in the stands if they saw Gasly win in Italy for the very 1st time yesterday if we were not for the present era of Coronavirus. Could you imagine the effect that win could have had on those fans when they see Pierre cross the line at Monza on Sunday. It would have been an incredible & joyous occasion to see it happen right in front of their eyes. It would also be an unexpected confidence booster for many of the fans to preserve for their next encounter which could have been somewhere else other than in Tuscany.

A feeling like that is rare in F1 these days. It is like gold dust for anyone who religiously follows the sport for most of their lifetime. And we definitely need more of it.

rock22 · 08-09-2020 8:32am

Was Norris penalised for slowing cars in the pit stop under red flag?
It was mentioned in commentary and I think it was being examined by the stewards but no more was said 9 on C4 highlights - I don't have Sky).

flazio · 08-09-2020 8:42am

No further action was taken.

afatbollix · 09-09-2020 11:09am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO7k-LacBYQ&ab_channel=McLaren

If I was on the side of the couch for the last few laps think of the lads in the McLaren garage!

Loving the unboxed videos by McLaren, I would love it if some more of the teams did them.

F1 2020 :Round 8 Monza

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