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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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ChikiChiki

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

would you rather he condemn Russia with no proof?

if so, TDS has gotten out of hand.

Is it that difficult for him to stand with his allies in the EU and in NATO and condemn the poisoning? And not the first time Russia has carried out such and act like this.

This is just one out of many instances of Trump playing done deaf on the Russian agenda items. Not even raising the bounties on soldiers item was treasonous.

Face it, it's clear as daylight he is compromised in some way.

namloc1980

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

would you rather he condemn Russia with no proof?

if so, TDS has gotten out of hand.

Germany confirmed the type of poison used, Germany being a NATO ally. Poisoning opposition politicians and dissenters is a hallmark of Russia under Putin. It's not that hard to be honest.

Eric Cartman

duploelabs wrote: »

Yes, but it's actually broadcast by fox news. They would be completely factual wouldn't they or are they to consigned to the 'fake news meeejah' pile?

Fox news were always unreliable , i love how many people are holding them up as fact now , the reports shown are still from jennifer griffen, shes always been unashamedly anti trump and it wouldnt shock me for her to just take the atlantic story on its word and run with it.

If the original spurce wasnt the atlantic and the person saying it on fox wasnt griffen id give it credit but for now its 2/10 likely not true

dwayneshintzy

namloc1980 wrote: »

The problem for Trump is that by denying he called McCain a loser, when he clearly did on his own tweet and on video, it brings his entire denial into question. He also yesterday went on a big rant about John Kelly all but confirming that he thinks John Kelly is one of the sources.

He's also claimed that he rang Melania in Washington, from Paris, because he was so disappointed he couldn't go to the cemetery.

Melania was in Paris with him.

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1301991095904202756

namloc1980

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

He's also claimed that he rang Melania in Washington, from Paris, because he was so disappointed he couldn't go to the cemetery.

Melania was in Paris with him.

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1301991095904202756

Yes of course. That's the problem with liars, and Trump is an exceptional liar, eventually you get tripped up in your own lies.

namloc1980

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Fox news were always unreliable , i love how many people are holding them up as fact now , the reports shown are still from jennifer griffen, shes always been unashamedly anti trump and it wouldnt shock me for her to just take the atlantic story on its word and run with it.

If the original spurce wasnt the atlantic and the person saying it on fox wasnt griffen id give it credit but for now its 2/10 likely not true

He lied about calling McCain a loser. He lied about ringing Melania at home when she was in Paris with him at the time. Why do you believe the rest of his denial?

ChikiChiki

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

He's also claimed that he rang Melania in Washington, from Paris, because he was so disappointed he couldn't go to the cemetery.

Melania was in Paris with him.

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1301991095904202756

The man is such an idiot. Seriously. Its beyond. belief he thinks he can get away with this stuff

Carfacemandog

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Fox news were always unreliable , i love how many people are holding them up as fact now , the reports shown are still from jennifer griffen, shes always been unashamedly anti trump and it wouldnt shock me for her to just take the atlantic story on its word and run with it.

If the original spurce wasnt the atlantic and the person saying it on fox wasnt griffen id give it credit but for now its 2/10 likely not true

And there it is, hitting a new low of trying to claim Fox News can't be trusted due to anti-Trump biases, while also completely ignored being given confirmation by the Associated Press.

https://apnews.com/b823f2c285641a4a09a96a0b195636ed

A senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.

Will you "give it credit for now" in light of this or was that last sentence of your post just a lie?

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Havnt been able to watch the video. Will do later. Does it explain why the Atlantic article contains blatant lies & heresay?

You believe #IMPOTUS when he claims "many people say" or "I've had phone calls" :rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If it wasnt from a publication that fabricated ‘things he said’ in the past maybe but the atlantic are bottom tier biased for making up things

so are Fox

Fox have confirmed the story.

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Have to laugh at people on here who have for ages used Fox as a source to support their argument across multiple topics including their support for Trump now saying it's an unreliable source.

dark crystal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If it wasnt from a publication that fabricated ‘things he said’ in the past maybe but the atlantic are bottom tier biased for making up things

If the article they wrote is libelous, Trump should have no problem suing them up the ass, should he? Let's see if he does that.

Cody montana

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Erm, multiple sources are proof.

Do you think it’s acceptable that trump called people in the military losers?

dwayneshintzy

Question for Trump supporters......say this WAS true, and you found some "acceptable" proof of the comments that proved them beyond all doubt;

Would Trump saying these things be enough to turn you against him?

Kidchameleon

Cody montana wrote: »

Erm, multiple sources are proof.

Multiple sources have said Biden sexually assaulted Tara Read

duploelabs

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Multiple sources have said Biden sexually assaulted Tara Read

Ah whataboutism, the foundation of any cogent counter-arguement

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Multiple sources have said Biden sexually assaulted Tara Read

Multiple women have claimed Trump sexually assaulted them, do you believe those womens claims?

Kidchameleon

duploelabs wrote: »

Ah whataboutism, the foundation of any cogent counter-arguement

Not whataboutery as I'm not discussing Bidens rape situation specifically. I am pointing out that "multiple sources" are not enough for that poster when the story is about Biden.

Kidchameleon

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Multiple women have claimed Trump sexually assaulted them, do you believe those womens claims?

No. Those claims are not credible.

Cody montana

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Fox news were always unreliable , i love how many people are holding them up as fact now , the reports shown are still from jennifer griffen, shes always been unashamedly anti trump and it wouldnt shock me for her to just take the atlantic story on its word and run with it.

If the original spurce wasnt the atlantic and the person saying it on fox wasnt griffen id give it credit but for now its 2/10 likely not true

So what news sources are reputable in you opinion?

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No. Those claims are not credible.

Do you accept Trump lied when he denied calling McCain a loser? Do you accept Trump lied when he claimed he rang Melania at home even though she was in Paris with him?

Cody montana

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Multiple sources have said Biden sexually assaulted Tara Read

But but but Biden.

Truly pathetic.

Igotadose

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If the original spurce wasnt the atlantic and the person saying it on fox wasnt griffen id give it credit but for now its 2/10 likely not true

What basis have you computed those odds from? Have you got instances of the Atlantic and the person on fox being found out to be false in the past?

What would be a reliable source in your view? Even the Vox article posted as a refutation earlier, confirms the reports (albeit, it can be construed as a refutation, which is what the Washington Examiner did, by cherrypicking the Vox article, that Kidc then quoted here.)

Quin_Dub

Cody montana wrote: »

Are you saying Obama invaded Libya?

If he did, then Trump invaded Syria

Kidchameleon

namloc1980 wrote: »

Do you accept Trump lied when he denied calling McCain a loser? Do you accept Trump lied when he claimed he rang Melania at home even though she was in Paris with him?

I wont write it off but I have not as yet had a chance to fact check it. The short answer to your question is Trump is human, we all lie.

Carfacemandog

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I wont write it off but I have not as yet had a chance to fact check it. The short answer to your question is Trump is human, we all lie.

Here is your fact check, from the horses mouth himself: "John McCain is a loser."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/622522682245033984

Will you now accept that Trump did indeed call McCain a loser and lied when he recently claimed he didn't?

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I wont write it off but I have not as yet had a chance to fact check it. The short answer to your question is Trump is human, we all lie.

If you accept that, isn't it possible that he's also lying in his denials of the things he is reported to have said by the Atlantic, AP and Fox?

By the way there is no complicated fact checking. He said McCain was a loser in his own words and tweeted out. He then denied that this week. Do you accept he lied in his denial?

He claimed he rang Melania at home from Paris even though she was in Paris with him. Do you accept he lied? Here's an official White House report of Melania in Paris. The first line reads:

First Lady Melania Trump traveled with her husband to Paris, France to commemorate the 100th anniversary of Armistice that ended World War I.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/readout-first-lady-melania-trumps-visit-france/

dwayneshintzy

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I wont write it off but I have not as yet had a chance to fact check it. The short answer to your question is Trump is human, we all lie.

If the reports are true and Trump did say all the things being reported.......would that be enough to turn you against him?

extra gravy

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Multiple sources have said Biden sexually assaulted Tara Read

What sources? Because none of Biden’s staff at the time witnessed or corroborated any wrongdoing. Or are you referring to the family members or friends she allegedly told? You don't seem to know the difference between a primary and a secondary source.

Kidchameleon

namloc1980 wrote: »

If you accept that, isn't it possible that he's also lying in his denials of the things he is reported to have said by the Atlantic, AP and Fox?

I have already pointed out (with sources) that the Atlantic article is not reliable. Yes it looks like Trump lied about calling McCain a loser I accept that. But as I have also pointed out, I think McCain is a loser myself (RIP) so I agree with Trump on that. People lie all the time, you, me, Biden and Trump. The fact that he has lied about this small Tweet says nothing about his character in general.