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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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Gerry Hatrick

Igotadose wrote: »

Didn't one of you post a link to this earlier? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HZrpgR9dm4

Biden giving a speech in a church to a bunch of people then taking questions? Just wondering maybe you need new talking points. If tyou've got the nerve, watch the whole thing.

What's "one of you"? My opinions are my opinions

[Deleted User]

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

So the department of defense are lying?

dwayneshintzy

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

How about you just explain what you mean?

Are you saying that this is a conspiracy between multiple media companies and sources within the Trump administration to get a damaging story out to affect the election? That it is entirely untrue and without basis? Who has orchestrated this conspiracy? Not Biden since he's incapable, obviously.

Since that's your position......why did Trump lie about calling McCain a loser in his denial?

duploelabs

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

So evidence is only worthy if it's recorded, so corroborating stories don't count a factual evidence?

You must be an excellent barrister

namloc1980

duploelabs wrote: »

So evidence is only worthy if it's recorded, so corroborating stories don't count a factual evidence?

You must be an excellent barrister

He's going to hate it when he finds out that court cases use corroborating stores and first hand accounts as evidence.

LuckyLloyd

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

The great thing about all of this is Trump supporters like yourself know he would have said those things. It’s what you like about Trump, the fact that he “tells it like it is”. They know this is bad, so they’ll play it down and pretend it didn’t happen but it’s how he talks about everything.

Of course Trump thinks the military are suckers and losers. He thinks that about everyone!

weisses

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

The grasping at straws meme would suit your post perfectly

ollkiller

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

I think you don't understand how journalism works. That's on you.

Penn

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The great thing about all of this is Trump supporters like yourself know he would have said those things. It’s what you like about Trump, the fact that he “tells it like it is”. They know this is bad, so they’ll play it down and pretend it didn’t happen but it’s how he talks about everything.

I was going to ask the question here to the Trump supporters about whether it'd change their opinion of him if (hypothetically) he did in fact say those things.

Then I realised they'd either say it would, then if it was proven he did say those things they'd backtrack or come up with some other excuse or "It's not as important as (insert whatever here)", or it wouldn't change their opinion of him in the first place.

That's the hateful thing about where the state of politics is now in America, something like this, simply wouldn't matter to most of his supporters.

Gerry Hatrick

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The great thing about all of this is Trump supporters like yourself know he would have said those things. It’s what you like about Trump, the fact that he “tells it like it is”. They know this is bad, so they’ll play it down and pretend it didn’t happen but it’s how he talks about everything.

Of course Trump thinks the military are suckers and losers. He thinks that about everyone!

As iv'e pointed out in previous posts Trump's an idiot. How does that make me a supporter of him?

Please back up your post with some sort of semblance of reason.

Thanks in advance.

LessOutragePlz

They can write whatever they want but Trump and his supporters (myself included) aren't going to believe that fake news article.

We'll have to wait for the polls from military voters to see if it's had any impact on their choice for president.

namloc1980

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

They can write whatever they want but Trump and his supporters (myself included) aren't going to believe that fake news article.

We'll have to wait for the polls from military voters to see if it's had any impact on their choice for president.

Do you deny he called John McCain a loser?

duploelabs

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

They can write whatever they want but Trump and his supporters (myself included) aren't going to believe that fake news article.

We'll have to wait for the polls from military voters to see if it's had any impact on their choice for president.

What makes it 'fake news'?

Because you don't believe the source?

Because it doesn't fit with your preconceived values?

Or a different reason?

which is it?

Gerry Hatrick

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

They can write whatever they want but Trump and his supporters (myself included) aren't going to believe that fake news article.

We'll have to wait for the polls from military voters to see if it's had any impact on their choice for president.

Although i don't support Trump he has done a lot of good for Americans also and i respect your point of view on him. Well done for sticking to your guns.

dwayneshintzy

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

They can write whatever they want but Trump and his supporters (myself included) aren't going to believe that fake news article.

We'll have to wait for the polls from military voters to see if it's had any impact on their choice for president.

Why is it fake news?

What do you know that we don't?

LessOutragePlz

duploelabs wrote: »

What makes it 'fake news'?

Because you don't believe the source?

Because it doesn't fit with your preconceived values?

Or a different reason?

which is it?

I don't believe the sources, plenty of people out there that hate Trump and don't want to see him get re-elected so there's plenty of motivation out there for "sources" to come up with some fake allegations.

Also the owner of the Atlantic has previously donated to the Democratic party including to Hilary Clinton and Barrack Obama so there's a bit of bias there already.

Politically, Bradley considers himself a centrist. He has contributed to the Democratic Party.[1] In the 2008 U.S. presidential primaries he donated $104,300 to Hillary Clinton and $102,300 to Barack Obama and $69,000 to Mitt Romney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_G._Bradley#:~:text=Bradley%20(born%201953)%20is%20the,The%20Hotline%2C%20and%20Government%20Executive.

Igotadose

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Although i don't support Trump he has done a lot of good for Americans also and i respect your point of view on him. Well done for sticking to your guns.

Usually the lists of the good he's done include economic things no longer true, said lists tend to ignore 2020. Can you enumerate what he's done, and why it's good?

Penn

duploelabs wrote: »

What makes it 'fake news'?

Because you don't believe the source?

Because it doesn't fit with your preconceived values?

Or a different reason?

which is it?

Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder haven't confirmed the story yet, but I'm sure their teams of indepenent, experienced, unbiased journalists and researchers are chasing down sources and corroboration as we speak.

[Deleted User]

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No recording means no evidence.

It's the run in to the election. Do the maths.

Gerry boy. I don't think calculus or trigonometry is going to get you out of this one!:D

dwayneshintzy

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't believe the sources, plenty of people out there that hate Trump and don't want to see him get re-elected so there's plenty of motivation out there for "sources" to come up with some fake allegations.

Also the owner of the Atlantic has previously donated to the Democratic party including to Hilary Clinton and Barrack Obama so there's a bit of bias there already.

Politically, Bradley considers himself a centrist. He has contributed to the Democratic Party.[1] In the 2008 U.S. presidential primaries he donated $104,300 to Hillary Clinton and $102,300 to Barack Obama and $69,000 to Mitt Romney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_G._Bradley#:~:text=Bradley%20(born%201953)%20is%20the,The%20Hotline%2C%20and%20Government%20Executive.

Why has Trump lied about calling McCain a loser in his denials?

LessOutragePlz

namloc1980 wrote: »

Do you deny he called John McCain a loser?

There's no denying that.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/622522682245033984?s=19

salmocab

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't believe the sources, plenty of people out there that hate Trump and don't want to see him get re-elected so there's plenty of motivation out there for "sources" to come up with some fake allegations.

Also the owner of the Atlantic has previously donated to the Democratic party including to Hilary Clinton and Barrack Obama so there's a bit of bias there already.

Politically, Bradley considers himself a centrist. He has contributed to the Democratic Party.[1] In the 2008 U.S. presidential primaries he donated $104,300 to Hillary Clinton and $102,300 to Barack Obama and $69,000 to Mitt Romney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_G._Bradley#:~:text=Bradley%20(born%201953)%20is%20the,The%20Hotline%2C%20and%20Government%20Executive.

Is Mitt Romney not a Republican?

dwayneshintzy

So you trust Trump in his denial, even though parts of that denial are demonstrably lies?

Why?

LessOutragePlz

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Why is it fake news?

What do you know that we don't?

The majority of the article is from "sources" that I'm not going to believe hence it is fake news.

I haven't claimed to know anything that you don't I'm choosing not to believe that fake news article.

namloc1980

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

There's no denying that.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/622522682245033984?s=19

Trump denied it last night "Also, I never called John a loser". Why are you defending him when his defense includes a verifiable lie? Why do you trust everything else he said?

.

salmocab

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The majority of the article is from "sources" that I'm not going to believe hence it is fake news.

I haven't claimed to know anything that you don't I'm choosing not to believe that fake news article.

You choosing to not believe something doesn’t make it fake news it just means you have decided not to believe it, that doesn’t make it less true.

ohnonotgmail

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The majority of the article is from "sources" that I'm not going to believe hence it is fake news.

I haven't claimed to know anything that you don't I'm choosing not to believe that fake news article.

The AP have confirmed that the article is correct. are they lying as well?

LessOutragePlz

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

So you trust Trump in his denial, even though parts of that denial are demonstrably lies?

Why?

Parts of his denial can be proven to be untrue with his own tweets and there's also a video of it.

But the rest of the article is a fake news hit piece and the MSM are trying to make the article believable by throwing in a small bit of truth.

LessOutragePlz

salmocab wrote: »

Is Mitt Romney not a Republican?

Yes hence my use of the word "a bit" of bias not completely biased.

ohnonotgmail

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Parts of his denial can be proven to be untrue with his own tweets and there's also a video of it.

But the rest of the article is a fake news hit piece and the MSM are trying to make the article believable by throwing in a small bit of truth.

so he is lying about part of his denial but you still trust the rest of what he says?