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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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namloc1980

duploelabs wrote: »

Well if he's not afraid, why should he continue to hide them? What's he hiding?

I'd bet the tax returns will show things he want to hide like: large indebtedness to Russian and other foreign banks, inflated asset valuations and perhaps worst of all - that he actually isn't as rich as he claims he is (that would be the ultimate blow to his very fragile ego).

ohnonotgmail

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Why should he be afraid of anything?

Again why does he need to release them?

afraid of being convicted of bank fraud i imagine. he has been telling one thing to his bankers for years and another to the IRS. you know he is being investigated for bank fraud, right? that he is fighting tooth and nail to keep all of this financials a secret.

Penn

Not to mention that he promised to release his tax returns. So by not doing it (and going to extreme lengths to ensure they never see the light of day), he's a liar.

PropJoe10

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Why should he be afraid of anything?

Again why does he need to release them?

To prove that he's not under financial obligation to other countries. Pretty simple and straightforward, I would say.

Eric Cartman

duploelabs wrote: »

When will Trump release his, why is he constantly blocking the releas? What has he got to hide?

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1301316478889680897?s=19

The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

Outlaw Pete

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nonsense. Before he mocked the disabled reporter he clearly said: "...written by a nice reporter, now the poor guy you gotta see this guy..."

Why would he say that "now the poor guy you gotta see this guy" if not to draw attention to what he looks like - which is that he is obviously disabled. Why say the poor guy? If he's lying about Trump why would he have sympathy for him other than he's disabled? It's disgusting to suggest that he wasn't mocking the disabled reporter.

Because he was on TV denying something he had done. You're wrong. You know you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdhCvx86fxg

namloc1980

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

So you think a guy who made a promise to provide his tax returns but has since reneged on that promise somehow resonates with voters. That American voters enjoy being lied to. Incredible mental gymnastics on display this morning.

[Deleted User]

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Why should he be afraid of anything?

Again why does he need to release them?

To show his finances aren't going to dictate how he behaves as President. To show that financial issues can't be exploited to influence him. It's not as if something is being demanded of him that previous candidates haven't had to disclose. He's the guy who demanded for the birth cert of a president which was ridiculous.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

Weirdly the American public tends to trust Biden far more than Trump on majority of issues. So I imagine Trump's behaviour on everything has factored into that.

Quin_Dub

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Complete lies fabricated by the MSM.

He had been using that movement well before he "mocked" the disabled report to show when people had difficulty answering questions that were put to them.

Ah , that's ok so - He just acts "Handicapped" to mock people because he thinks a handicap is something to mock.

So he wasn't mocking that specific disabled journalists , just all disabled people in general.

Lovely.

Penn

Joe Biden stutters sometimes
"Worst possible candidate, probably has dementia, will ruin the country"

Donald Trump cheats on his taxes
"Patriot"

namloc1980

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Because he was on TV denying something he had done. You're wrong. You know you are.

I'll ask again as you are ignoring the question. Why would he say that "written by a nice reporter, now the poor guy you gotta see this guy" if not to draw attention to what he looks like - which is that the guy is obviously disabled. Why say the poor guy? BTW: I know you are fully invested in the Trump cult so you can't disagree with the Leader, so I fully expect another obfuscation.

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

i'm sure the banks he has lied to over the years are very interested. as are several district attorneys. the man is up to his neck in bank fraud.

Eric Cartman

namloc1980 wrote: »

So you think a guy who made a promise to provide his tax returns but has since reneged on that promise somehow resonates with voters. That American voters enjoys being lied to. Incredible mental gymnastics on display this morning.

Nobody cared. Sure FF here had to bring in that rule about presenting a tax clearance cert before being put forward for election after Bertie, Mccreevy and Haughey were all found to be taking envelopes etc.. We haven't had slick talent like them since. I wouldn't trust a politician who wasn't trying to dodge taxes to actually cut them.

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

It obviously was not built on not paying taxes, that is absurd. Who pays for the military for example. The police force, the first responders, the VA?

Trump claims to love all these things, and his supporters cheer and wave their flags, but at the same time are proud of people that go out of their way to avoid helping to fund them?

So defunding the police is terrible, but refusing to pay for them is patriotic?

but at the end of the day, whether you agree with providing tax returns or not, Trump stated, numerous times, that he would provide them.

He has failed to do it, even going to court to try to have them stopped from being released.

So Trump clearly thinks it is perfectly fine to release them. You disagree with Trump on this one I'm afriad.

Igotadose

Biden2020 raises record $364.5 million in August, shattering 2008 record of $200 million.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908773287/biden-democrats-shatter-fundraising-record-with-364-5-million-in-august

No data yet from the #IMPOTUS campaign.

duploelabs

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

Any person in a position of judicial authority is subject to rigorous auditing to ascertain if they are susceptible to blackmail or coercement, see Line of Duty or virtually any other well researched police drama of this nature. Funny that there's no clarity and plenty of obfuscation of the part of trump, now I wonder why that could be...

LessOutragePlz

duploelabs wrote: »

Well if he's not afraid, why should he continue to hide them? What's he hiding?

He's not hiding anything he's under no obligation to release them.

LessOutragePlz

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the only people who think it is innocent are either

1) an idiot
or
2)those deep into a cult
or
3) those two young to remember when that was common.

trump is old enough to remember when that was a common shorthand for "retard". which group are you in?

I guess I'm an idiot so, because there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he did IMO.

LessOutragePlz

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

afraid of being convicted of bank fraud i imagine. he has been telling one thing to his bankers for years and another to the IRS. you know he is being investigated for bank fraud, right? that he is fighting tooth and nail to keep all of this financials a secret.

There's been so many investigations since the Russian collusion hoax it's hard to keep track of them all. So an investigation means absolutely nothing.

namloc1980

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody cared. Sure FF here had to bring in that rule about presenting a tax clearance cert before being put forward for election after Bertie, Mccreevy and Haughey were all found to be taking envelopes etc.. We haven't had slick talent like them since. I wouldn't trust a politician who wasn't trying to dodge taxes to actually cut them.

Two thirds of people care.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24G14N?__twitter_impression=true

Kidchameleon

Forgive my ignorance but... if he had done anything illigal re. taxes would the IRS know about it?

Quin_Dub

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

He's not hiding anything he's under no obligation to release them.

People want to see his tax returns to prove that he's not making policy decisions that financially benefit him.

Trump - I'm under no obligation to release my tax returns , it's nobodies business and nobody cares anyway.

Also Trump - Obama must release his birth cert to prove he's American , he can't be President if he doesn't do this , the American people have a right to know about their President so they can trust him.

Igotadose

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but... if he had done anything illigal re. taxes would the IRS know about it?

Lets go through an example. Let's say Trump owes Alfabank, a Russian government front, $1bn in a loan. The loan might've been legitimate at the time it was taken out. This loan required repayments and Trump perhaps claims interest deduction on his taxes (hand waving here - assume a transaction with a Russian owned organization is mentioned on his taxes, or his business's taxes.)

Nothing illegal, IRS might notice this, the audit largely looks for whether the filer is correctly following IRS regulations.

Now, nothing illegal here but should the POTUS owe $1bn to a Russian-owned bank, whose overall purpose is to earn money, for Russia?

Eric Cartman

Igotadose wrote: »

Lets go through an example. Let's say Trump owes Alfabank, a Russian government front, $1bn in a loan. The loan might've been legitimate at the time it was taken out. This loan required repayments and Trump perhaps claims interest deduction on his taxes (hand waving here - assume a transaction with a Russian owned organization is mentioned on his taxes, or his business's taxes.)

Nothing illegal, IRS might notice this, the audit largely looks for whether the filer is correctly following IRS regulations.

Now, nothing illegal here but should the POTUS owe $1bn to a Russian-owned bank, whose overall purpose is to earn money, for Russia?

what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

Quin_Dub

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but... if he had done anything illigal re. taxes would the IRS know about it?

It's highly unlikely that he has "fiddled his taxes" - As you say , the IRS would likely have found it.

However , for example , there is evidence that what he does is provide a true value for his assets to the IRS , but then grossly over-values them for the purpose of Insurance claims or securing loans with Banks , Business partners etc.

That is illegal.

NY has just opened another case for this specific activity relating to Property in upstate New York.

There's also the far more likely "concern" on the Trump side , that his tax returns will show that he isn't a billionaire and never has been and that he really isn't very good at business.

Remember , from the little tax information we have , he posted the single largest loss from an individual tax payer across multiple years.

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

Sure, releasing his taxes would clear everything but he appears to be actively afraid of them coming out before the election.

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

it is not a hypothetical. trump has been borrowing from russian banks for years because american banks refuse to lend him any more money

Danzy

namloc1980 wrote: »

Someone with a lifelong stutter gets stuck on words and then readjusts and moves on. No depths the Trumpists won't go to.

Look, leaving the dementia debate aside.

Joe is significantly poorer in his communication than the latter years of the Obama Presidency.

duploelabs

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

All those funny little coincidences

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

Look, leaving the dementia debate aside.

Joe is significantly poorer in his communication than the latter years of the Obama Presidency.

and yet he is still better than trump. at least biden doesnt get distracted by insects and go off on tangents about sharks.