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What do you believe happens when we die

sallyanne12

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Pherekydes

I'd like to "complete" a Pole. :eek:

bobbyy gee

Having died and been brought back there's nothing there. You don't know you died until you read medical report it's like you never existed.
You don't have any thoughts. You don't walk towards the light
You don't see dead family members. Seeing someone you know die is scary as they panic and your not able to do anything to help them. All you can do is hold their hand and tell them they are not alone.

Hotblack Desiato

sallyanne12 wrote: »

Complete the poll and let us know

Customary to provide your own opinion, OP

Hotblack Desiato

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Having died and been brought back there's nothing there. You don't know you died until you read medical report it's like you never existed.
You don't have any thoughts. You don't walk towards the light
You don't see dead family members. Seeing someone you know die is scary as they panic and your not able to do anything to help them. All you can do is hold their hand and tell them they are not alone.

:pac::rolleyes:

s1ippy

I have an idea about mortality which I'm basically certain is correct. I have thought about building a sort of movement around it or writing a thesis on it, but I feel it would be an exercise in futility because the market for religion is over saturated and based on my experience of people, most of the ones who didn't understand it would just get angry. The idea isn't based around worship in the slightest, just a concept around life and death that I feel that I have sussed, because like everyone else I've thought about it for so long. Somebody was bound to figure it out.

I find the theory really revealing when applied to existence and our place in it. Believing this premise to be true doesn't advocate any specific way of life or subsequent beliefs. It's just a scientifically and philosophically grounded perspective on meaning and sentience. It gives me immense solace whenever I think about life within the parameters it indicates.

I've explained these thoughts to friends and family (it's easy in when you're casually conversing... "death is weird" or some such throwaway existential comment. "Do you think so? I think it's just...") and we've pulled the whole notion apart and picked at any dubious aspects.

Death is a fascinating thing to discuss if you're pragmatic and logical instead of sentimental or superstitious; I think anyone comes away from a spirited conversation about it feeling enriched and less threatened by their own fear. Its like the talking cure; you reason things out and they start to make more sense and become a more acceptable thing for your brain to process without trauma or prejudice.

Tl;dr something something jeebus zombie

magicbastarder

s1ippy wrote: »

a concept around life and death that I feel that I have sussed, because like everyone else I've thought about it for so long.

i think we'd to take a bit more convincing than that!

Peregrinus

s1ippy wrote: »

I have an idea about mortality which I'm basically certain is correct. . . .

There's not much point in telling us this unless you are going to go on and tell su what the idea is - you tease, you!

LessOutragePlz

How would we know that we alive if we had not once been dead?

We aren't born so we don't die.

Energy can't be destroyed so the energy inside must live on once our body dies.

magicbastarder

it can be changed from one form to another though.
and i don't think 'consciousness' has an 'energy' in strictly physical terms. it's basically just electrical and chemical energy.

pauldla

Louis C.K.: Lots of things happen after you die, it's just none of them involve you.

LessOutragePlz

magicbastarder wrote: »

it can be changed from one form to another though.
and i don't think 'consciousness' has an 'energy' in strictly physical terms. it's basically just electrical and chemical energy.

Yeah but consciousness can't be measured though so to say it's electrical and chemical energy isn't really true tbh as we don't truly know what it is.

magicbastarder

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

we don't truly know what it is.

how can you claim it can't be destroyed if you don't know what it is?

sallyanne12

op here. Have to say I’m very surprised by the results. So many atheists. I guess it’s probably due to posting this in the atheist forum. Perhaps I should have posted it in after hours to get a wider view.
I used to believe in nothing for so long but then I realised it’s naive to think nothing exists after we die. There has to be more to life than just living and dying. I personally believe that life is a sort of test but I don’t believe in any religion. I believe we probably remain in a spiritual world after we die and what area of that world would depend on how good we are

dubrov

s1ippy wrote: »

I have an idea about mortality which I'm basically certain is correct. I have thought about building a sort of movement around it or writing a thesis on it, but I feel it would be an exercise in futility because the market for religion is over saturated and based on my experience of people, most of the ones who didn't understand it would just get angry. The idea isn't based around worship in the slightest, just a concept around life and death that I feel that I have sussed, because like everyone else I've thought about it for so long. Somebody was bound to figure it out.

I find the theory really revealing when applied to existence and our place in it. Believing this premise to be true doesn't advocate any specific way of life or subsequent beliefs. It's just a scientifically and philosophically grounded perspective on meaning and sentience. It gives me immense solace whenever I think about life within the parameters it indicates.

I've explained these thoughts to friends and family (it's easy in when you're casually conversing... "death is weird" or some such throwaway existential comment. "Do you think so? I think it's just...") and we've pulled the whole notion apart and picked at any dubious aspects.

Death is a fascinating thing to discuss if you're pragmatic and logical instead of sentimental or superstitious; I think anyone comes away from a spirited conversation about it feeling enriched and less threatened by their own fear. Its like the talking cure; you reason things out and they start to make more sense and become a more acceptable thing for your brain to process without trauma or prejudice.

Tl;dr something something jeebus zombie

I too discovered the same idea and thought I had solved it. However, there was one little item that made the whole idea fall apart. I think there is little point in sharing with you as it would be an exercise in futility and likely make you angry.

sallyanne12

dubrov wrote: »

I too discovered the same idea and thought I had solved it. However, there was one little item that made the whole idea fall apart. I think there is little point in sharing with you as it would be an exercise in futility and likely make you angry.

Nobody will get angry. Share with us

s1ippy

Yep, it's a shame as they want the truth but they can't handle the truth.

pawdee

Here's my take on it.......

1) You die and that's that (most likely) = Grand.
2) You die and go to heaven (most unlikely) = Grand* too.
3) You die and suffer 'physical' and 'mental' torment for all eternity. Not so good.

Only scenario 3 gives any cause for concern. You wouldn't guess it from the simplicity of my hypothesis but I think about this every day.

*unless you're Christopher Hitchens who called heaven "a celestial North Korea".

Peregrinus

pawdee wrote: »

,. . . *unless you're Christopher Hitchens who called heaven "a celestial North Korea".

Which, ironically, leaves him more or less togging out with Kim Jong-Un, who considers North Korea to be an earthly heaven.

looksee

Peregrinus wrote: »

Which, ironically, leaves him more or less togging out with Kim Jong-Un, who considers North Korea to be an earthly heaven.

Presumably it is, for him. It depends where you are standing.

John Hutton

Could end up in hell, heaven or perhaps purgatory for a bit .

magicbastarder

one thing i wonder about; as any animal with a brain has brain activity while alive, and if this brain energy cannot be destroyed, does that mean that any animal which ever had a brain also has a 'soul' which lives on?
and does that mean we all share the same heaven, should there be such a thing? or does each species have its own heaven, e.g. one heaven for blue tits, one for coal tits, one for great tits, etc. etc.?

El_Duderino 09

magicbastarder wrote: »

one thing i wonder about; as any animal with a brain has brain activity while alive, and if this brain energy cannot be destroyed, does that mean that any animal which ever had a brain also has a 'soul' which lives on?
and does that mean we all share the same heaven, should there be such a thing? or does each species have its own heaven, e.g. one heaven for blue tits, one for coal tits, one for great tits, etc. etc.?

One for moobs too?

Yeah the consciousness discussions are total navel gazing. We call out experience 'consciousness' but in truth, all we know is that it's the result of our brains. I suppose my cat has consciousness in so far as her brain allows. Some people might consider cat-consciousness to be trivial. And an alien species could consider our level of consciousness to be trivial.

I don't see any reason to see a distinction between mind and body. We have no evidence of minds existing without a body (brain specifically). So I just presume my consciousness ends when my brain dies. End of story - for me.

Scotty #

sallyanne12 wrote: »

...then I realised it’s naive to think nothing exists after we die.

No it isn't. It's perfectly logical.

It's those that believe there is 'something' after death that are naive IMO.

endacl

sallyanne12 wrote: »

op here. Have to say I’m very surprised by the results. So many atheists. I guess it’s probably due to posting this in the atheist forum. Perhaps I should have posted it in after hours to get a wider view.
I used to believe in nothing for so long but then I realised it’s naive to think nothing exists after we die. There has to be more to life than just living and dying. I personally believe that life is a sort of test but I don’t believe in any religion. I believe we probably remain in a spiritual world after we die and what area of that world would depend on how good we are

1. It’s also naive to suppose that you continue in some form after you die.
2. Why does there have to be more? Make your meaning while you’re here.
3. Best of luck with that. Hope it works out for you.

Bannasidhe

I have absolutely no idea what happens - even though I have technically died but got better as it turned out I was only rebooting and a jump start sorted it out.

I do not 'believe' or 'not believe' anything in particular happens.
I shall wait and see - or not.

I seriously doubt "I" will continue to exist but "I" might.

Hotblack Desiato

sallyanne12 wrote: »

op here. Have to say I’m very surprised by the results. So many atheists. I guess it’s probably due to posting this in the atheist forum.

Yeah, I mean who could have predicted that?

antiskeptic

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Having died and been brought back there's nothing there. You don't know you died until you read medical report it's like you never existed.
You don't have any thoughts. You don't walk towards the light
You don't see dead family members. Seeing someone you know die is scary as they panic and your not able to do anything to help them. All you can do is hold their hand and tell them they are not alone.

Was your body rotting in the grave when you were brought back? My guess is that you lacked some classic signs of life. Which is a different matter.

Bannasidhe

antiskeptic wrote: »

Was your body rotting in the grave when you were brought back? My guess is that you lacked some classic signs of life. Which is a different matter.

I wasn't aware that "rotting in the grave" was the definition of being dead.
You'd think we'd see a lot more clinically dead but never made it to a grave people wandering around wouldn't you?

Peregrinus

Well, what is the definition of being dead? When you say that you were "technically dead", what exactly was going on (or not going on) that meant you were technically dead?

KungPao

I’d love for me to continue in some way, be it me at my best in heaven or even a (nice) ghost.

But yeah, like every other animal on the planet, Death means lights out. Adios.

The only reason we think there could be more is because we are so intelligent, so we invent stupid **** to make us feel better and pretend life goes on in some way after the curtains fall.