BonnieSituation wrote: » Yes Mark. Everything stinks.
jm08 wrote: » I think that maybe you should read the entire report :rolleyes:
markodaly wrote: » Im not affronted by anything but the lack of evidence from you and others to such a bold claim. The claim was: Now, where is the evidence of this exact claim? What exact incidents are we talking about here and where is the evidence to suggest that this claim is true? If you don't have any proof or evidence, then perhaps you best be quiet and realise that the only people responsible for the murder of people who plant bombs are the people who planted them, like the PIRA.
markodaly wrote: » From the very first page of the report. Pretty clear cut to me who was responsible for the Omag bombings. Now, do you have anything else to back up your original claim, or do you now realise you were talking out of your hat?
jm08 wrote: » See post above with brief conclusions. You can look up the Ombudsman report if you are so inclined.https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/issues/police/ombudsman/po121201omagh1.pdf
The persons responsible for the Omagh bombing are the terrorists who planned and executed the atrocity. Nothing contained in this report should detract from that clear and unequivocal fact
BonnieSituation wrote: » That's all a wee bit Helen Lovejoy-esque now tbf Mark. Are you that affronted by the idea that the RUC/PSNI might not have taken some warnings as seriously as they ought to have? Is the concept so alien that you need to place your finger in the wounds?
No one trusted the police, least of all the PIRA. Thats why they phoned warnings to Police and Samaritans because sometimes the police didn't act on the warnings.
jm08 wrote: » THE RUC SPECIAL Branch withheld information from officers investigating the Omagh Bomb, according to a report from the Northern Ireland Police Ombudsman. The report found however that there was no intelligence available to police which, if acted upon, could have prevented the attack.
Of course that will never be investigated because it implicates the British State in the murder of its own citizens.
markodaly wrote: » And what did this investigation conclude? Did they come to the conclusion that the police deliberately ignored the warning? Or are you trying to muddy the waters, trying to shift blame from the IRA murderers and killers who planted bombs in civilian areas?
RobMc59 wrote: » Can you explain how that limp,vague comment is evidence of anything?
There is reason to believe the gang of murderers had an informant in their ranks and that the police knew in advance. “And there is reason to believe the police had sufficient time, between the telephone warnings and the first bomb going off, to evacuate – and that the emergency services could have arrived earlier – but that records about those things were falsified.”
Edgware wrote: » Just after finishing a two week job on the Upper Newtownards rd. Anyone who thinks that there is any great cross community wish to live in peace and move towards a United Ireland is not living in the real world. British they are and British they will remain. Dream on about Scottish independence, Brexit etc.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Only empty headed idealists see it any differently, a chara. Driven idiots who want anything to do with those bunch of stults. Four Green Fields idiots.
Edgware wrote: » Anyone who thinks that there is any great cross community wish to live in peace and move towards a United Ireland is not living in the real world.
markodaly wrote: » Unreasoanble? The poster in question made a serious allegation about police ignoring warnings. I just asked for proof or evidence of that claim and none was forthcoming. If one cannot prove something, then perhaps they best STFU about it.
markodaly wrote: » That is a foolish, idiotic and one dimentional way of looking at it. "If only the Unionists, thought like we do, and agree with everything we do, then the PIRA would not have had to kill and murder thousands of people" You sound like a cartoon villain out of a Marvel Movie. First and foremost, the PIRA killed about 2/3's of the people who died in the troubles. They even killed more Catholics and Nationalists then the British Security forces. Yet, its partitions fault....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: And..... here comes the whataboutery. Sure, why not going back to the Battle of Boyne, if only William of Orange was defeated.... peace and utopia in Ireland. Or why not just go back further, if the Norman invasion of Ireland was stopped. Or why not go back to the Vikings.... Yes, its a foolish way to play the game. At the end of the day, you blame a line on a map for the murder of innocent people, not the actual perpetrators of these murders and killings.
jm08 wrote: » Actually there is. There was a bit of a problem with the Omagh bombing as far as I can recall. Seemingly the police were warned and it was investigated.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Why do you apply such unreasonable evidentiary standards to those you disagree with?
FrancieBrady wrote: » None of the 3000+ people would have died had partition not happened mark.
Is it your theory they would have died, ia your thing that nationalists woukd have killed just because?
Millions wouldn't have died in World Wars had certain things not happened. That does not absolve anyone for killings during those wars.
jm08 wrote: » Actually there is. There was a bit of a problem with the Omagh bombing as far as I can recall. Seemingly the police were warned and it was investigated. Now, can you explain to me why the PIRA would contact both Police and Samaritans?
markodaly wrote: » So you have no evidence of your claim?
markodaly wrote: » Do you have any actual evidence to this fact, or is that a nice convenient line to try and get someone else apart from the PIRA to shoulder the blame when innocent people were murdered?
RobMc59 wrote: » Francie,I'm from the UK and want to be defended by the police and armed forces from those I and my fellow like minded UK citizens (wherever they may live in the UK)view as terrorists.I wouldn't expect to have a say in how things are run in Ireland-neither should you. And this bit isn't aimed at you francie,its aimed at 'billy no mates'.Don't you ever critise someone who is nauseated by 'brave freedom fighters 'planting bombs in a busy shopping precinct then trying to blame the police when children are killed.
markodaly wrote: » You are on record blaming partition alone for the murder of Lyra McKee, not the New IRA.
markodaly wrote: » It actually is. It's akin to blaming women wearing short skirts for being raped. No skirt, no rape No partition, no murder Same logic.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That is not victim blaming and that is not excusing violence. Time to start debating like an adult mark.
jm08 wrote: » Self evident. Why would the PIRA phone the Samaritans as well as the Police?
RobMc59 wrote: » If you plant bombs to detonate in a shopping centre on a Saturday afternoon who do you think will be the casualties?
markodaly wrote: » Oh, its true alright. Classic victim-blaming exhibit (a) I asked you a simple question about Lyra McKee and you want to have a philosophical discussion about conflicts and war. Whataboutery at its finest. I guess the PSNI are really to blame anyway for her murder. :rolleyes:
