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The death of Thiago Cortes MOD NOTE IN OP

Thelonious Monk

The poor man was only 28 and had a fiance. Killed by 4 scumbags in a Ford Fiesta who then did a runner, in the IFSC area. He was hit on Monday but died today. How could you crash into a man and leave him dying there? I've spent enough time in that area to have seen children flying around on scramblers, foreign security guards attacked and having racist slurs shouted at them, f*cking horses racing up and down. In the city centre. It's ridiculous.
This case has really struck a chord with me because I cycle to work myself, and the fact that the guy is earning minimum wage working for Deliveroo, part of the gig economy, just trying to earn a few quid.
Law and order seems to be non existent in the city centre, I mean if we can't keep that under control what the f*ck do the Garda actually do?
Why are we ok with the city centre being such a hotbed of antisocial behaviour? I've lived in many cities before and I know other countries have problems, but you don't see the stuff you see in the city centre here in other city centres.
RIP to the poor man, and remember how rough these delivery guys have it in Dublin, they are often assaulted by scumbags and put up with all kinds of sh*t.

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whiskeyman

The RTE report last night was disgraceful.
I think it was Paul Williams who harped on that the car was easily attained by gang and there has been calls for tighter controls on the sales of second hand cars.

Seriously?

These were scumbags who would have got that car no matter what. No way would he have mentioned the likely multiple convictions these scum have already racked up and the months of lawlessness that has gone on around the area recently.

I hope they're caught put they'll probably only get a slap on the wrist and they'll go easy on their 'hard upbringing'.

[Deleted User]

Would there be a noticeable amount of Garda patrolling on foot around the business/financial area in Dublin?

seamus

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Why do the Guards just stand by and let this happen?

The reason the Gardai aren't available to prevent this, is resourcing. There aren't enough Gardai. Remember at the start of lockdown when there were Gardai everywhere?
That proves it's possible, but it's a matter of will. People want more Gardai on the street, but when you say they'll need to pay more tax, they'll go on some whinge about TD wages and social welfare costs, and make false claims that, "we already pay enough tax".

Irish people want better services - including law enforcement - but we don't want to pay for them.

The reason the Gardai are slow to do anything about this kind of crime after the fact is because everyone is entitled to be treated equally by the law. The 4 kids who were in this car are undoubtedly out and out scum, but it is essential that they are treated legally the same as you or I. They can't just be lifted from their beds and thrown in jail without proof of their crime.

One thing that the pandemic has exposed is just how lightly vehicles in Ireland get away with acting badly. There was nobody on the roads for 3 months and somehow we saw no reduction in road deaths. Poor driving is just not punished severely enough, driving needs to be more heavily regulated, licences need to be easier to lose.

If I worked on a building site and caused a serious accident due to misuse of heavy machinery, I'd never get a job with heavy machinery again. Crash a few cars though? You're grand, fire away.

JasonStatham

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The poor man was only 28 and had a fiance. Killed by 4 scumbags in a Ford Fiesta who then did a runner, in the IFSC area. He was hit on Monday but died today. How could you crash into a man and leave him dying there? I've spent enough time in that area to have seen children flying around on scramblers, foreign security guards attacked and having racist slurs shouted at them, f*cking horses racing up and down. In the city centre. It's ridiculous.
This case has really struck a chord with me because I cycle to work myself, and the fact that the guy is earning minimum wage working for Deliveroo, part of the gig economy, just trying to earn a few quid.
Law and order seems to be non existent in the city centre, I mean if we can't keep that under control what the f*ck do the Garda actually do?
Why are we ok with the city centre being such a hotbed of antisocial behaviour? I've lived in many cities before and I know other countries have problems, but you don't see the stuff you see in the city centre here in other city centres.
RIP to the poor man, and remember how rough these delivery guys have it in Dublin, they are often assaulted by scumbags and put up with all kinds of sh*t.

This is just the reality of living in Dublin. You can't hang about. Too many knobs about. The Gardai couldn't be arsed with it, and you couldn't expect them to change.

lainey_d_123

coinop wrote: »

Why are there so many Brazilians in Dublin, does anyone know? And why are they all Deliveroo drivers? The government pump out propaganda that the non-EU immigrants entering the country are all high IQ doctors and engineers yet they all seem to be riding bikes and engaging in illicit activities.

A lot of them are highly educated and skilled, they just don't have the right to do their professional jobs in Ireland so work in menial jobs to support themselves while they study English. I worked teaching TEFL for a while during my own studies and I had students with law and even medical degrees working in McDonald's or whatever, not too proud to do whatever work they could to pay the bills.

Shame the inbred scumbags who killed Thiago didn't have the same mentality.

lainey_d_123

I was so sad to hear this news.

The area around the IFSC is an utter sh1thole and I've long despaired about how so much of the tiny city centre is so rough and basically lawless. Yes, all cities have their bad parts, but I can't think of any which have so many bad parts so close to the city centre, with the police just totally ignoring the scummy behaviour.

I have a friend who lost his father after being attacked by some random scumbag not far from where this happened.

Why do the Guards just stand by and let this happen?

Seth Brundle

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Both you and mark failed to address the core point. In the way it is now - the way it is likely to be for some time - why do you persevere? Surely one brush with death is enough for anyone?

What you're asking is why don't I let a bully stop me doing something I love doing?

LuckyLloyd

coinop wrote: »

Why are there so many Brazilians in Dublin, does anyone know? And why are they all Deliveroo drivers? The government pump out propaganda that the non-EU immigrants entering the country are all high IQ doctors and engineers yet they all seem to be riding bikes and engaging in illicit activities.

There’s a great community of Brazilians here. They avail of the arrangement to come over and they work difficult low paying jobs and live in cramped conditions while maintaining a smile on their face and a positive view on the opportunities afforded by Ireland. It’s a great attitude and the economy clearly has a demand for their labour.

I’m gutted this happened to them. Hopefully justice will be done soon.

LuckyLloyd

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Ok so let's ban cars from the city centre until we get the segregated lanes. That way the least efficient mode of transport will be gone from the stteets, there'll be less pollution, and public transport will be quicker.

Both you and mark failed to address the core point. In the way it is now - the way it is likely to be for some time - why do you persevere? Surely one brush with death is enough for anyone?

Seth Brundle

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

However, when I hear Dublin cyclists talking about bear brushes with death I am genuinely personally amazed at why they continue to persevere with the bike. One day it won’t be a near miss, and it will not have been worth it. Cycling absent of proper segregated cycle lanes just does not seem to be worth the risk.

Ok so let's ban cars from the city centre until we get the segregated lanes. That way the least efficient mode of transport will be gone from the stteets, there'll be less pollution, and public transport will be quicker.

LuckyLloyd

markodaly wrote: »

The benefits for cycling are self-evident, its just in Ireland people seem to be very selfish about it and their cars.
Just have a read of the thread about the new proposed 30/kmh limit.

So, the same poster will have sympathy for the Thiago Cortes, but then will give out about the government or the council building cycling infrastructure or decreasing speed limits.

Look I’m incredibly pro public transport / cycling infrastructure. I think the proposed speed limit reduction is incredibly logical too. I will vote for these things and enthusiastically support them.

A segregated cycle lane along the North quays would have saved Thiago Cortes’s life.

However, when I hear Dublin cyclists talking about bear brushes with death I am genuinely personally amazed at why they continue to persevere with the bike. One day it won’t be a near miss, and it will not have been worth it. Cycling absent of proper segregated cycle lanes just does not seem to be worth the risk.

Beasty

coinop wrote: »

I don't remember saying that.

An internet tough guy. Lol. The fact you're getting so upset shows me I'm asking the right questions. There are a select few elites who are getting rich off these immigration scams. Landlords, NGO shills, Deliveroo, to name a few. Meanwhile it's the ordinary Irish who suffer.

Life is cheap in the Brazilian favelas. Innocent children get shot every day over pocket change. And you want to bring these people to Ireland? Lol.

This thread is nothing to do with immigration

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Fred Cryton

The welfare class in the area seem to be getting worse. More bold, more brazen. They know there's no consequences. The Guards are literally scared of them. Makes me laugh the new cycleway that joins onto Sheriff STreet has basically become a playground for them. You see plenty of Guards at 1pm taking a stroll there, but funny you never see any at 10pm when the little s**ts are exploding fireworks onto cars to see if they can kill more passers by for the giggles.

Hellotonever

coinop wrote: »

I don't remember saying that.

An internet tough guy. Lol. The fact you're getting so upset shows me I'm asking the right questions. There are a select few elites who are getting rich off these immigration scams. Landlords, NGO shills, Deliveroo, to name a few. Meanwhile it's the ordinary Irish who suffer.

Life is cheap in the Brazilian favelas. Innocent children get shot every day over pocket change. And you want to bring these people to Ireland? Lol.

He actually blew his cover AHAHHAAH

yeah it was pretty obvious dog whistle about immigration, gloabilism, NGOs, 5G etc the usual loony crank-magnet topics.

Im not an internet tough guy at all. Im telling you straight up, if you went to the demonstrations today and started ranting about the usual internet dweller conspiracy sh*te you wouldve been physically assaulted. Would be greatly deserved too.

Tell you what, you want to imply his death is some sort of globalist conspiracy do it in real life. Come to the demonstrations. Come on.

coinop

Hellotonever wrote: »

Yeah its his fault for getting run over and killed lol.

I don't remember saying that.

Hellotonever wrote: »

If you started this dog whistle rant in front of me in real life I would physically assault you for being a disrespectful tit.

An internet tough guy. Lol. The fact you're getting so upset shows me I'm asking the right questions. There are a select few elites who are getting rich off these immigration scams. Landlords, NGO shills, Deliveroo, to name a few. Meanwhile it's the ordinary Irish who suffer.

Hellotonever wrote: »

as you can see the seeds of riots are being sown. Response of the police will dictate the next few decades.

Life is cheap in the Brazilian favelas. Innocent children get shot every day over pocket change. And you want to bring these people to Ireland? Lol.

Yurt2

coinop wrote: »

Why are there so many Brazilians in Dublin, does anyone know? And why are they all Deliveroo drivers? The government pump out propaganda that the non-EU immigrants entering the country are all high IQ doctors and engineers yet they all seem to be riding bikes and engaging in illicit activities.

Not the time, nor the thread for it.

hynesie08

coinop wrote: »

Why are there so many Brazilians in Dublin, does anyone know? And why are they all Deliveroo drivers? The government pump out propaganda that the non-EU immigrants entering the country are all high IQ doctors and engineers yet they all seem to be riding bikes and engaging in illicit activities.

We have an agreement with the Brazilian government that they can come here to study English AND work 20 hours per week, that's why they're over here, a lot of them would be entitled to Italian and Portuguese citizenship as well so they come here to save money and be close to those countries.

Why deliveroo drivers? Set your own hours, tips in the hand..... Not sure how declaring you're income works.....

Hellotonever

coinop wrote: »

Surely the USA and Canada are closer for Brazilians? Language schools are closed during the pandemic so why are they really here? I appreciate your reply but you're guessing. I was hoping someone in the know could fill me in.

Yeah its his fault for getting run over and killed lol.

If you started this dog whistle rant in front of me in real life I would physically assault you for being a disrespectful tit.

Back on topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ilctgy/deliveroo_march_for_thiago_who_was_killed_in_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

as you can see the seeds of riots are being sown. Response of the police will dictate the next few decades.

coinop

Random Account wrote: »

Most of them come to learn English and are students. Don’t quote me on that though. No too sure why they are all Brazilians though

Surely the USA and Canada are closer for Brazilians? Language schools are closed during the pandemic so why are they really here? I appreciate your reply but you're guessing. I was hoping someone in the know could fill me in.

Random Account

coinop wrote: »

Why are there so many Brazilians in Dublin, does anyone know? And why are they all Deliveroo drivers? The government pump out propaganda that the non-EU immigrants entering the country are all high IQ doctors and engineers yet they all seem to be riding bikes and engaging in illicit activities.

Most of them come to learn English and are students. Don’t quote me on that though. No too sure why they are all Brazilians though

coinop

Why are there so many Brazilians in Dublin, does anyone know? And why are they all Deliveroo drivers? The government pump out propaganda that the non-EU immigrants entering the country are all high IQ doctors and engineers yet they all seem to be riding bikes and engaging in illicit activities.

jackofalltrades

RIP to the poor man.

Horrible thing to do, to mow someone down and then leave them to die, alone at the side of the road.
Hope the driver is found and prosecuted.
Although I don't have much faith in the legal system to provide justice.
I can already hear the excuses...difficult upbringing...in treatment for a drug/alcohol problem...from a disadvantaged area.
Suspended sentence and then grinning like an assh*le on the steps of the court.

markodaly

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Why would you continue to cycle in Dublin when that is your experience? It’s not worth it.

RIP to the deceased. I hope his killers meet justice.

The benefits for cycling are self-evident, its just in Ireland people seem to be very selfish about it and their cars.
Just have a read of the thread about the new proposed 30/kmh limit.

So, the same poster will have sympathy for the Thiago Cortes, but then will give out about the government or the council building cycling infrastructure or decreasing speed limits.

LuckyLloyd

Why would you continue to cycle in Dublin when that is your experience? It’s not worth it.

RIP to the deceased. I hope his killers meet justice.

Seth Brundle

As I see it there are a number of problems at play.
The behaviour by the bástards in the Ford is not uncommon. Cyclists are passed regularly by drivers who couldn't give a flying fart about their safety so long as the driver doesn't get held up.
It's not just teenage scumbags from the inner city. It's all age groups, male and female, all vehicle types. It then takes a fatality for people to say to themselves "oh that's terrible" but continue with that behaviour the next time they sit behind the wheel of a car.
As someone who cycles a lot, I have been aggressively passed so many times. I've been almost killed because someone felt they had more right to the road than I should have (despite the law being clear on this).
I've had drivers close pass me with an pnligitary blaring if the horn while I'm cycling along in a 24/7 bus lane (which I, unlike them, am allowed to be in).
The lockdown made the roads a nice place to cycle. Now that people are getting back to normal, the aggression from drivers is probably worse that before.
Cycle infrastructure in Ireland is shíte to the point that in many cases increases the level of danger.
Cycle paths are usually so crap that cyclists feel it is better to remain on the road. Quite frequently there are cars parked on them. Even the new measures put in place by the councils are being parked on.
Ask yourself, would you let your child cycle to school and if not, why?

As for the gardai, I have reported several drivers for obvious dangerous manoeuvres this year.
I'm at the point now that it's not worth my time. Despite clear video evidence, I am forced to spend 30-60 minutes dictating a statement about how scared I felt and how I wore a helmet and high-viz (as if not wearing these non-obligatory items means a driver can drive dangerously) only for nothing to happen (despite a commitment for action by Commissioner Harris).
The law is actually crystal clear but the process is from the 1920s. Video evidence is not grounds for a conviction - it is only a means to support a full statement. The gardai then decide if they want to take it further or not. Honestly, its farcical.
Unfortunately, I dont see anything changing as a result of Thiago Cortes unnecessary death. Nothing happened after the unnecessary death of Neeraj Jain last year. The only incentive to improve safety on the roads seems to be based on garda enforcement and IMO this doesnt exist in any meaningful way.

KungPao

bigpink wrote: »

Wow this has really hit a chord with me also but if you call out scum in this country your extremist

Maybe they don't have enough facilities in their area (where they most likely have free accomodation and stupidly generous dole money) or they're from a broken home and so on, et cetera.

Does your heart not bleed for these wasters?

bigpink

Wow this has really hit a chord with me also but if you call out scum in this country your extremist

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TRANQUILLO wrote: »

what makes me laugh is you will see in other threads that people want millennials like me to pay good money to move into these areas and if i don't want to i have "notions".

Oh please don't call yourself a millennial. It's sad.

Poor man, I hope his killers are found. Brazilians often have it tough in Dublin.

KungPao

dd973 wrote: »

I'd love to see all the wee anti-social leprechauns and drug gang twats in Dublin who think they're hard dropped into a Brazilian favela, wonder how long they'd last...

And how I'd love a real police force like in Brazil too. Even the traffic cops are packing heat. The lads collecting cash in armoured vans are packing too.

We are a bunch of pussies when it comes to enforcing the law, and we are fast approaching a time where we need to decide if we ramp it up or continue to let the gangs and various scum continue to do as they please...then where do we end up?

CageWager

CucaFace wrote: »

No doubt all 4 of the scumbags in that car have multiple convictions already. As much as i agree regarding the Garda avoiding the hard work, the main issue is that when these animals are caught the courts do nothing about them and they are free to go.

This poor man’s death while just minding his own business doing his job is the natural conclusion to continually letting scrotes rack up 100’s of convictions while remaining on the streets. When they get caught, some bleeding heart social worker will be in to the judge like a bullet to tell him/her how this young man has been let down by society etc. No personal responsibility.

There is no fear of the justice system in this country anymore and innocents will continue to die because of it.