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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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Samuel T. Cogley

I like the lad that pointed out CEX are offering €608 for them. I'd be getting myself down there in all honesty.

Squidgy Black

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Wow adverts is getting a lot of GPUs, only seen one sensibly priced which sold almost straight away. (Blower 1080ti for €300)

The battles in the comments are hilarious to read through. So many people just jumping on people's ads telling them that 2080ti is now useless and worth 3-400 euro.

Hyzepher

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Wow adverts is getting a lot of GPUs, only seen one sensibly priced which sold almost straight away. (Blower 1080ti for €300)

Saw that - prices are really going to fall fast

Samuel T. Cogley

Wow adverts is getting a lot of GPUs, only seen one sensibly priced which sold almost straight away. (Blower 1080ti for €300)

Hyzepher

The word is that with Samsung now part of the manufacturing process, the batches are likely to be better quality and a consistant quality. This allows Nvidia to be more confident in yields and therefore more confident to be more price aggressive. The move to Samsung is pretty significant

djan wrote: »

The silicon inside or profit per wafer is largely irrelevant in terms of profitability as the bulk of costs are in R&D and marketing/collaborations. I remember looking at the breakdown costs the manufacturing costs for a 2000 series and it was less than a quarter for the 2080TI's RRP.

The biggest problem was that they simply did not have a valid competitor. AMD's offering was plagued with driver issues, which is a huge issue when the majority of users aren't willing to or are able to flip drivers back and forth. Added to that the lack of RT, it was a hard sell.

Wrong end of the stick man - it's not a matter of the manufacturing costs as a fraction of overall costs (that's more or less always going to be low for physical high tech products), it's that the production throughput has to be able to support the company's costs. In other words, you have a (relatively) constant number of wafers you can make into chips, which means the smaller your die size, the more product you can sell, and the less you have to charge per chip. Die size is a pretty solid proxy for price as a result.

No argument from me on the lack of competition being the issue, Nvidia wouldn't have been able to get away with the prices it needed to support low yield/big die cards if it didn't just need to keep "fastest" in people's minds instead of "best value".

djan

L wrote: »

They weren't overpriced for the silicon in them though. That's the thing. The die sizes on those chips was ridiculous - mm2 per mm2, the 2080Ti was sold cheaper than the 1080Ti.

They were overpriced for the performance they gave, but I think they may have actually been less profitable for Nvidia on a "profit per wafer" basis.

The silicon inside or profit per wafer is largely irrelevant in terms of profitability as the bulk of costs are in R&D and marketing/collaborations. I remember looking at the breakdown costs the manufacturing costs for a 2000 series and it was less than a quarter for the 2080TI's RRP.

The biggest problem was that they simply did not have a valid competitor. AMD's offering was plagued with driver issues, which is a huge issue when the majority of users aren't willing to or are able to flip drivers back and forth. Added to that the lack of RT, it was a hard sell.

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Maybe they actually learned a lesson from the 2000 series launch....that entire range of cards were ridiculously overpriced.

They weren't overpriced for the silicon in them though. That's the thing. The die sizes on those chips was ridiculous - mm2 per mm2, the 2080Ti was sold cheaper than the 1080Ti.

They were overpriced for the performance they gave, but I think they may have actually been less profitable for Nvidia on a "profit per wafer" basis.

Wonda-Boy

L wrote: »

At the same time, *something* has Nvidia reacting way more strongly than I'd have predicted.

I was expecting the 30 series to be a significant improvement based on the crap 20 series processes (transistor density was appalling for the 2080 Ti, which suggested poor yields), which they are. However, they're much cheaper, hotter and more power hungry. It feels like Nvidia reaching to make sure they stay ahead of AMD.

Hell, 30 series has shades of an old school "electric heater" AMD design to it.

Maybe they actually learned a lesson from the 2000 series launch....that entire range of cards were ridiculously overpriced.

2ndcoming wrote: »

Now they could surprise us all, but it would be a very big surprise for them to be able to catch and pass the people they've been playing catch up to for years, in the process completely blowing away anything they've ever done before and deliver it at less then $700.

At the same time, *something* has Nvidia reacting way more strongly than I'd have predicted.

I was expecting the 30 series to be a significant improvement based on the crap 20 series processes (transistor density was appalling for the 2080 Ti, which suggested poor yields), which they are. However, they're much cheaper, hotter and more power hungry. It feels like Nvidia reaching to make sure they stay ahead of AMD.

Hell, 30 series has shades of an old school "free electric heater" AMD design philosophy to it.

Wonda-Boy

EVGA also listed now on OCUK which looks nice, Id say the benchmarking will start just before release date around the 15th or so. Until then the propaganda machine will be in overdrive and the Green and Red Fanboys will be out in force.

Mr Crispy

Mr Crispy wrote: »

According to Lenovo, there's a 16GB 3070 Ti on the way.... (Videocardz).

"Lenovo also lists NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 SUPER"

Surely a mistake somewhere along the lines. They're not releasing a 3070 vanilla, Super, and Ti variant around the same time.

Squidgy Black

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2ndcoming

As someone who's only ever had AMD graphics cards, I'd be very sceptical of their ability to match the 3080 with their next batch of cards.

Based on everything they've done in the GPU division for the past 5 or even 10 years I'd say their goal was to beat the 2080Ti with a $400 or so card. Nvidia's pricing here is a pretty aggressive maneouvre I would say based off this expectation also.

Now they could surprise us all, but it would be a very big surprise for them to be able to catch and pass the people they've been playing catch up to for years, in the process completely blowing away anything they've ever done before and deliver it at less then $700.

K.O.Kiki

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The KFA2 with an additional fan on the back looks mental

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2-geforce-rtx-3080-sg-10gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-0ad-kf.html

I take it back, maybe the AIBs are trying to kill themselves to leave only Nvidia standing! :pac:

Squidgy Black

EoinHef wrote: »

Jaysus that looks awful,like the fan was an after thought and just bolted on!

It pretty much is, from the description it sounds like it's an optional clip-on.

It's interesting as well that all of the 3rd part cards do far are all triple fan, apart from one of the Inno3D. Which means coolings probably going to be a big deal.

Bit of a pain in the arse for me though as large cards are a tight fit in the 280x case, 300mm max but even then the power cables can be a nightmare

Revoker88

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The KFA2 with an additional fan on the back looks mental

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2-geforce-rtx-3080-sg-10gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-0ad-kf.html

Jaysus that looks awful,like the fan was an after thought and just bolted on!

Squidgy Black

The KFA2 with an additional fan on the back looks mental

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2-geforce-rtx-3080-sg-10gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-0ad-kf.html

errlloyd

Cordell wrote: »

You're right, it depends on the system and what you do with it, but for the most the rest of the system will be under 200W, maybe even under 150. Also not all 650W are equal, so YMMV

To be fair, I am quite thankful for your advice.

I've a Corsair VS series 650w. It is running a couple of fans, a hard drive, 2 SSDs and a midrange processor.

I have a 1060GTX and my current rig isn't that pleasant to play on. The frame rate in the games I play isn't great, and isn't stable. Given lockdown means I am gaming more my number 1 priority is actually just improving the card ASAP, my number 2 priority is not buying something that is poor value (like if I had bought a 2080 last month, for example).

Wonda-Boy

This is the beast I am gonna get as soon as its in stock...Alot of the cards up on OCUK are quite bland....but I notice in the last few hours Pallit and KFA2 have been added to the selection. The Pallit cards are also nice looking....

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno3d-geforce-rtx-3080-ichill-x4-10gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-07p-in.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-pro-oc-10gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-05e-pl.html

Wonda-Boy

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Do you think the extra RAM is going to be useful/needed at 1440p or 4K?

Extra Ram is always handy.....its money for old rope!

Cordell

L wrote: »

See how it goes, but it may be tighter than normal. 3080's supposed to have a 320W peak draw, which means that the rest of your system needs to be under 200W to fit under the 80% mark on a 650W power supply.

That's enough for a decent system, but it's not exactly leaving a lot of spare headroom for overclocking, extra storage or the future.

You're right, it depends on the system and what you do with it, but for the most the rest of the system will be under 200W, maybe even under 150. Also not all 650W are equal, so YMMV

Samuel T. Cogley

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

3070 Ti with 16Gb GDDR6 spotted:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-spotted-with-16gb-gddr6-memory

Do you think the extra RAM is going to be useful/needed at 1440p or 4K?

Free Watchdogs: Legion with the 30 Series as well until the end of October.

I half expect Nvidia's next move to be offering to come to your house and give you a backrub if you don't wait to see what AMD has.

I think Nvidia's done more for my curiosity about what AMD is going to produce than AMD.

K.O.Kiki

3070 Ti with 16Gb GDDR6 spotted:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-spotted-with-16gb-gddr6-memory

frozenfrozen

they could time it right so they leak while people are in their return window for 3000 series, but that might be too evil

Rob2D

Lot of people going nuts for AMD news now. Saying they really need a "leak" to stay in the game. I agree they should probably leak something small. Just to show that they will be competitive and stop as many nvidia pre-orders as they can.

Cordell wrote: »

Those recommendations are grossly overestimated. It's very likely that your PSU is able to power it up just fine, and with a comfortable power reserve.

See how it goes, but it may be tighter than normal. 3080's supposed to have a 320W peak draw, which means that the rest of your system needs to be under 200W to fit under the 80% mark on a 650W power supply.

That's enough for a decent system, but it's not exactly leaving a lot of spare headroom for overclocking, extra storage or the future.

Revoker88

Rob2D wrote: »

3080ti this year @ $999???? I wouldn't have expected it this year.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3080-ti.c3581

This just confirms people should wait until at least big navi launches imo. That will be hard,for myself too.

Nvidia are obviously holding products back for more strategic launches.

Even with benches for the 3070 and 3080 we still wouldn't really have a full picture of price/performance this gen until we see more 30 series cards and big navi.

Cordell

errlloyd wrote: »

Also 3080 requires a 750 Watt PSU? My current PSU is 650. I've read some stuff about differing numbers of connector pins etc. So is there anything to look out for from the PSU, or will I just buy the best value 750 out there.

Those recommendations are grossly overestimated. It's very likely that your PSU is able to power it up just fine, and with a comfortable power reserve.