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adam88

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Update on 7th heaven.
I was in touch with them on their FB page today about the menu. Sad that it's easier to complain about a local business on a forum than to contact them and help the business survive.
They had heard the same from other people and put one in the window last week

Edit: they offered me a free lunch.. See what you missed:D

I’ve been there w few times. Always found the food and service good. Plus one on that group that come every Saturday, seen them there w few times

ejmaztec

Traleelad wrote: »

Length of time in business or knowledge has nothing to do with this.

Plenty high profile and experienced businesses and business people go bust.

The issue here is that in a private school is far easier to see a situation where you cannot “trade out” of trouble.

If they didn’t have substantially enough pupils in July to cover themselves well then they shouldn’t have still accepted money from families in late August.

This wasn’t a case where one or two additional pupils were going to push it over the line late in the game.

This is nothing to do with business this is common decency in a very troubling time.

In my well in excess of 35 years experience, :pac: normally rational business owners become irrational, desperate and deluded when their business is on the brink, and they ignore professional advice, hoping that some miracle will get them out of trouble. They spend the next while collecting money, and dodging creditors.

In the end, they either decide to give up voluntarily, after finally listening to professional advice, or the creditors start the ball rolling themselves.

It's usually the case that the money isn't collected with the intention of screwing people over, because the owners genuinely believe that they won't go bust, and that business will take off again.

Of course, there are some owners who have no scruples, and grab as much as they can, knowing full well that their business is dead in the water, and that they can disappear with their final bonus, leaving all the trauma behind them.

Rows Grower

Darc19 wrote: »

8 years. That's very little. I'm 35 years in business roles as owner, director and senior management.
I've worked in companies that went into liquidation in the early 90's another that folded in 2007.

New Look went into administration yesterday. They were selling gift cards up to Thursday.

Reading today's reports on Brookfield it seems they tried their best to recruit for this year and when it became obvious last week that the numbers were not adding up and recruitment had stopped, they called in liquidators.

That's how it works.

If they are found to have "enriched" themselves or traded while knowing that they were going to be insolvent, that carries heavy penalties and the odce takes such issues very seriously.

But as a 8 years business person you would know that.

That's quite a record you've got there.

Traleelad

Rows Grower wrote: »

That's quite a record you've got there.

Ouch

TigerTim

TigerTim wrote: »

Anyone see a drone flying over Oakpark in the past few days. Saw if flying from direction of Forge cross down towards town on Sunday afternoon around 4. Again Tuesday morn about 8.30 it passed down fairly fast over the Muing/Derrylea side of the Listowel & headed towards town until I lost sight of it & returned a few mins later on the other side of the Listowel road , more over Oakpark Demesne/ Oakley Park. Wonder was it legit or some scumbag scoping the area?.

T.

Drone was around again tonight around 10 oclock. Flashing red light & moving fairly quickly. Seemed to be about over the Oakpark rd.

T.

CiarraiAbu2

An hour and a half with a substantial meal my arse, Killarney last night

Traleelad

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10222636957609266&id=1132429546&sfnsn=mo&extid=iEyieoID3Z8UDNBF&d=n&vh=i

An hour and a half with a substantial meal my arse, Killarney last night

Posted in the Kerry Covid chat also.

You don’t need much else there really to see why health authorities have concerns about reopening pubs.

dominatinMC

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10222636957609266&id=1132429546&sfnsn=mo&extid=iEyieoID3Z8UDNBF&d=n&vh=i

An hour and a half with a substantial meal my arse, Killarney last night

Where's the evidence that this wasn't the case? For all we know, this crowd spent an hour and a half in multiple pubs (eating a substantial meal in each), or were coming from a house party. All I saw was a video of non-compliance with social distancing (and anti-social behavior!)

CiarraiAbu2

dominatinMC wrote: »

Where's the evidence that this wasn't the case? For all we know, this crowd spent an hour and a half in multiple pubs (eating a substantial meal in each), or were coming from a house party. All I saw was a video of non-compliance with social distancing (and anti-social behavior!)

Ya thats probably what happened, they had multiple large meals and a few drinks and gathered for a sing song.

Morebypasses

dominatinMC wrote: »

Where's the evidence that this wasn't the case? For all we know, this crowd spent an hour and a half in multiple pubs (eating a substantial meal in each), or were coming from a house party. All I saw was a video of non-compliance with social distancing (and anti-social behavior!)

If this happened in Tralee it would make national headlines. Ah but sure Killarney is a great tourist town so lets bury the story!!

dominatinMC

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Ya thats probably what happened, they had multiple large meals and a few drinks and gathered for a sing song.

Probably? Maybe? That's all conjecture. At this moment, you haven't a clue how those events transpired, so save the hand wringing and finger wagging for when you can actually support your claims.

Traleelad

dominatinMC wrote: »

Probably? Maybe? That's all conjecture. At this moment, you haven't a clue how those events transpired, so save the hand wringing and finger wagging for when you can actually support your claims.

Get your head out of the sand.

Those events transpired from people being sold far too much alcohol at a time when normal wet pubs are shut by law to prevent this very thing from happening.

Regardless of weather or not they followed correct procedures by having substantial meals in each pub they visited, they are clearly overly intoxicated and are not capable of following basic social distancing guidelines.

What ever food serving pubs continuously sold alcohol to these people which allowed them to get so intoxicated should be ashamed of themselves.

Pubs Bars and restaurants are allowed to refuse people alcohol on the grounds that they feel they’ve had enough to drink.

It’s not always about following the law or being within the law. We all have a moral obligation to also behave responsibly also.

Quite clearly the group in the video or the businesses that served them to the point of over intoxication have ZERO morals.

The_Kitty

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

Its like anywhere, if you don't really like it you don't go back! No one is obliged to give anywhere a chance if they didn't enjoy it. And I'm not bad mouthing them. I'm giving my opinion on a place! I didn't really think it was amazing, so I didn't go back. Not sure how that's bad mouthing a place? You don't go and complain in every place you eat or drink if you don't like something??

I did think it was nice and liked the place but agree it's odd to be greeted like that and a reserved sign on the table would have avoided that situation. It's not very welcoming to be told you're not a regular lol.

CiarraiAbu2

I dont have a problem with the singing, its the pubs I have a problem with.

Ciarrai76

Not sure what that Killarney post has to do with this thread? Can we move on please and keep the Killarney chat to the Killarney thread. Thanks. MOD

carchaeologist

The off licenses have to be somewhat complicit in the fact these kinds of things are happening. Any time iv been in one lately there has been young lads there too loading up cars with beer. To be fair the pubs appear to be playing ball with regulations but it’s impossible to police the amount of drink bought outside of them.
This and the fact young people really dont care about what the government says and only want to hand a good time, we were all like that in our twenties.

The_Kitty

carchaeologist wrote: »

The off licenses have to be somewhat complicit in the fact these kinds of things are happening. Any time iv been in one lately there has been young lads there too loading up cars with beer. To be fair the pubs appear to be playing ball with regulations but it’s impossible to police the amount of drink bought outside of them.
This and the fact young people really dont care about what the government says and only want to hand a good time, we were all like that in our twenties.

Like I think people should take responsibility for themselves and not blame pubs or off licenses for scenes on the street. It's possible to drink without causing a scene on the street. Like yes ofc the pubs should follow the regulations but the culture before covid in a lot of circles was to drink at home, arrive in the pubs tipsy and have one or two. I don't think putting limits on or policing the amount of drink bought in off licenses would work as prohibition has never worked anywhere in the world.

Ciarrai76

If limits on how much alcohol you could buy in an Off Licence /supermarket were brought in, it wouldn’t stop anyone driving around from shop to shop and just buying more!

Traleelad

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

If limits on how much alcohol you could buy in an Off Licence /supermarket were brought in, it wouldn’t stop anyone driving around from shop to shop and just buying more!

That’s actually a good point.

I did hear at one stage that NPHET were considering implementing earlier closing times.

Again though that doesn’t stop people stocking up before closing.

Personally I think the off licenses shouldn’t be touched.

Lockdown and restrictions are one thing prohibition is opening up a whole can of worms.

If everyone Ireland could be trusted with common sense and a bit of cop on sure there’d be no bother opening the whole place back up. Sadly scenes like those in Killarney and the fiasco with golfgate prove that people just can’t be trusted.

Darc19

Rows Grower wrote: »

That's quite a record you've got there.

Both were international companies. One closed their European operations due to eu anti dumping duties of 92% caused their products to be overpriced. That was back in 1996.

The other simply expanded too much in the uk market just before the recession.

As a poster above said, when you have a business you can be blinded by optimism and hope beyond hope the corner can be turned until you finally realize it cannot be done.

Sometimes it can be done. And no one should be admonished for trying.

As for cases taken by the odce for insolvent trading or other issues - they are taken very regularly by liquidators on behalf of the odce.

My gripe is the assumption people have made without any knowledge. It's easy to download accounts that will show it was solvent up to their last accounts, and unless you are under a rock, a normal person will understand that covid will have had massive affect on many business.

But go ahead and do the blame game.

Rows Grower

Darc19 wrote: »

Both were international companies. One closed their European operations due to eu anti dumping duties of 92% caused their products to be overpriced. That was back in 1996.

The other simply expanded too much in the uk market just before the recession.

As a poster above said, when you have a business you can be blinded by optimism and hope beyond hope the corner can be turned until you finally realize it cannot be done.

Sometimes it can be done. And no one should be admonished for trying.

As for cases taken by the odce for insolvent trading or other issues - they are taken very regularly by liquidators on behalf of the odce.

My gripe is the assumption people have made without any knowledge. It's easy to download accounts that will show it was solvent up to their last accounts, and unless you are under a rock, a normal person will understand that covid will have had massive affect on many business.

But go ahead and do the blame game.

I'll let you work away there on your own with that kid, you seem to be a bit of a specialist in that field.

user52873

Quit bickering, or an adult will have to intervene.

Ciarrai76

Please drop the who has been in business longer etc....totally irrelevant to this thread. Quit the bickering & sniping too. Thanks. MOD

ongarboy

Radio Kerry saying Scotia Academy grinds school in Moyderwell expanding to give full time leaving cert courses and looking to hire 7 teachers. That will go some way to help with the Brookfield debacle.

Ciarrai76

Has anyone eaten in 'The Yellow Door' on Denny st (formerly Denny Lane)? I know its not open too long, but I haven't been in yet and just curious as to what the food is like?

We were wondering where to eat on Saturday afternoon and didn't even think of it until we walked passed as we were going back to our car.

Quackster

I hope everyone with an interest in seeing the Tralee-Fenit greenway finally bought to fruition makes an objection before tomorrow against the proposed diversion at Bawnboy that seeks to facilitate the attempted theft of public property by a local business. More info in today's Kerry's Eye.

Objections can be emailed to ciu@kerrycoco.ie

[Deleted User]

Quackster wrote: »

I hope everyone with an interest in seeing the Tralee-Fenit greenway finally bought to fruition makes an objection before tomorrow against the proposed diversion at Bawnboy that seeks to facilitate the attempted theft of public property by a local business. More info in today's Kerry's Eye.

Objections can be emailed to ciu@kerrycoco.ie

Can you elaborate. Don't have the paper

Quackster

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Can you elaborate. Don't have the paper

The proposal is to reroute the greenway around a 1km section of the line due to the fact that Southwest Pallet Production is squatting on a few hundred metre section.

Now the Tralee-Fenit section was only formally abandoned in 2014. Prior to that, the public ownership of the line was protected by the act of parliament that established the line. To obtain adverse possession of state land, you have to be squatting on it for thirty years. In this case, that clock starts ticking from the date of the abandonment order so adverse possession wouldn't come into effect until 2044.

The diversion makes sense from a practical point of view, at least as a temporary measure in ensuring the greenway is completed ASAP. But if KCC doesn't take the necessary legal action to secure the vacant possession of its property, it sets an extremely unhealthy precedence going forward.

More info on cyclist.ie

Quaderno

Quackster wrote: »

The proposal is to reroute the greenway around a 1km section of the line due to the fact that Southwest Pallet Production is squatting on a few hundred metre section.

Thanks a lot for that, I just sent off my objection. They cannot be serious...

btw. It was the first objection I have made to any planning proposal, ever. But this thing clearly goes too far.

mitchelsontour

Just posted about this in the cycling tread and sent in my objection.