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Retr0gamer

Right going to give this a go. A general gaming discussion thread. The rest of the forum seems to be dedicated to discussing just the big new games and games stories. Here you can just talk about whatever. What you have been playing at the moment, thoughts on it, what's better xbox or playstation. OK maybe not the last one.

Right to kick things off. Final Fantasy 12. I've let people know how much I hate this game in the past but I'm currently playing the recent zodiac age release and... actually enjoying it. I'm doing all the hunts and lots of exploring so I'm not as underlevelled anymore. The new job system is fantastic and way better than the free for all that was the original license board. You tend to use under utilised skills rather the Han nuking everything with the best attacks. Also it took a while but the battle system is starting to make sense and there's some good battles in the later half of the game. Takes a while to get theready though.

I still think the xenoblade games are a far better expression of the ideas in ff12 but it's not the **** show I orginally had it pegged as. The story is garbage though. Starts off great but once you hit Archades it's very obviously rushed.

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Thecageyone

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Iron Harvest is out today, was hoping to get it but it doesn't look like a gtx 770 will run it .

The min spec suggests a GTX 960, the 770 is as good if not slightly better than that card. Might get away with low to mid settings

Thecageyone

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Went back to Ori and the will o the wisps last week, Id initially started but dropped off, as it seemed a bit overly difficult, plus a bit less focused than the first one, with the addition of sidequests etc.
I'm glad I did, that stuff quickly streamlined itself and I'm really enjoying the tight, fast platforming action. The extra skills always seem to come, just as things are feeling a little stale. Highly doubt this is a spoiler, but just in case,
The water wheel area was really cool, with its switches and levers to rotate the area, and alter the landscape, plus the resulting escape sequence wasn't nearly as punishing as the ones from the first game.

Another game I need to get back to, I stopped playing once I got the Witcher 3, but I have finished the main of that game and taking my time with the DLC. Some platform action will be a nice change up

Thecageyone

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Started playing Hollow Knight finally and I'm totally hooked. Just seems like an excellently crafted metroidvania. Looks gorgeous as well. With so many 2D games using that awful mobile phone game aesthetic it's great to see a game with some actual great art direction

I'd forgotten about that game, cheers for the reminder! Just grabbed it on XBGP for PC.

Sephiroth_dude

pixelburp wrote: »

I tried the beta and even on Low settings my wee gaming laptop struggled. Lots of artifacts and popping assets so I suspect it wasn't widely QA'ed on lower machines. Looks great though, tempted to get it anyways just to reward someone making an epic SP RTS game.

What card has your laptop got?

pixelburp

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Iron Harvest is out today, was hoping to get it but it doesn't look like a gtx 770 will run it .

I tried the beta and even on Low settings my wee gaming laptop struggled. Lots of artifacts and popping assets so I suspect it wasn't widely QA'ed on lower machines. Looks great though, tempted to get it anyways just to reward someone making an epic SP RTS game.

Sephiroth_dude

Iron Harvest is out today, was hoping to get it but it doesn't look like a gtx 770 will run it

Stone Deaf 4evr

Went back to Ori and the will o the wisps last week, Id initially started but dropped off, as it seemed a bit overly difficult, plus a bit less focused than the first one, with the addition of sidequests etc.
I'm glad I did, that stuff quickly streamlined itself and I'm really enjoying the tight, fast platforming action. The extra skills always seem to come, just as things are feeling a little stale. Highly doubt this is a spoiler, but just in case,

The water wheel area was really cool, with its switches and levers to rotate the area, and alter the landscape, plus the resulting escape sequence wasn't nearly as punishing as the ones from the first game.

pixelburp

I meant Hollow Knight as "Dark Souls" in terms of narrative or world building, its approach to storytelling through abstraction and intentional withholding of information. Not gameplay.

Cordell

Remnant may be souls with guns, but's it's also fair and FUN. It's souls done right, enjoyable without getting frustrating.

Retr0gamer

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I love Hollow Knight, and am a firm believer that comparing everything to Dark Souls has become passé... but hard to deny the influence on HK, to be honest. The morbid grandiosity; vague storytelling; decaying grandeur; very particular healing and checkpointing; mysterious NPCs; consistent level of challenge...

I’ve always said one thing, though: Hollow Knight is perhaps the only ‘inspired by Dark Souls’ game that really and truly gets what makes those games special. It’s not just directly lifting mechanics and ideas... it’s about committing wholly to a vision and where it leads. Team Cherry were heavily inspired by From, but they did their own thing with that inspiration... and no other game has quite managed to capture that particular sense of bleak, mysterious beauty.

True, I was coming at it more just from the basic gameplay. It's more Megaman X than Dark Souls, whereas something like Dead Cells or Salt and Sanctuary is more dark souls.

I actually much prefer that it's more Megaman X. It's not as punishing either and the controls as a result are so tight that there's no ambiguity when you take damage. It's always your fault (well it always is but you never question it in this game). It's more that if you can't handle Souls games then it shouldn't put you off trying hollow knight.

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I absolutely love the Souls series and I love 2D old school modern retro games (or whatever you'd call them) but I couldn't get into Hollow Knight. I mightn't have given it enough of a chance but I got very bored very quickly.

It's got a cold start and takes a long time to get going. The first boss and first few abilities are a good bit into it. Stick with it though, it does just keep getting better and better. I initially bounced off it myself.

Zero-Cool

I absolutely love the Souls series and I love 2D old school modern retro games (or whatever you'd call them) but I couldn't get into Hollow Knight. I mightn't have given it enough of a chance but I got very bored very quickly.

johnny_ultimate

I love Hollow Knight, and am a firm believer that comparing everything to Dark Souls has become passé... but hard to deny the influence on HK, to be honest. The morbid grandiosity; vague storytelling; decaying grandeur; very particular healing and checkpointing; mysterious NPCs; consistent level of challenge...

I’ve always said one thing, though: Hollow Knight is perhaps the only ‘inspired by Dark Souls’ game that really and truly gets what makes those games special. It’s not just directly lifting mechanics and ideas... it’s about committing wholly to a vision and where it leads. Team Cherry were heavily inspired by From, but they did their own thing with that inspiration... and no other game has quite managed to capture that particular sense of bleak, mysterious beauty.

Retr0gamer

pixelburp wrote: »

It's a spectacular game, but I hope the sequel allows some throttling of its difficulty, and some of its more obtuse / abstract mechanics. I imagine those more use to Dark Souls' intentionally withholding storytelling mightn't have found it so objectionable tho'...

I haven't found it that difficult and don't see too many souls connections. It's mostly standard albeit very good old school japanese boss design. Nothing you wouldn't see in a Konami or Treasure game, although Dark Souls does take a lot from those as well. There's souls elements for sure but I think the team's main influence of Megaman X shines through a lot more. I have played a few of the end game bosses (I got the urge to try the game after helping a friends son through some end game sections).

Think you might be out of luck though with the sequel. I had a look at the video and it looks like a far more technical game with movement and combat abilities tied together. I for one can't wait but I can see it being a little more difficult as a result.

As for the story being abstract, I'm not pushed. It's sets the mood, understanding the story is secondary.

pixelburp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Started playing Hollow Knight finally and I'm totally hooked. Just seems like an excellently crafted metroidvania. Looks gorgeous as well. With so many 2D games using that awful mobile phone game aesthetic it's great to see a game with some actual great art direction

It's a spectacular game, but I hope the sequel allows some throttling of its difficulty, and some of its more obtuse / abstract mechanics. I imagine those more use to Dark Souls' intentionally withholding storytelling mightn't have found it so objectionable tho'...

Retr0gamer

Started playing Hollow Knight finally and I'm totally hooked. Just seems like an excellently crafted metroidvania. Looks gorgeous as well. With so many 2D games using that awful mobile phone game aesthetic it's great to see a game with some actual great art direction

Retr0gamer

TitianGerm wrote: »

Gimli loves Bloodborne. Did you never see his updates? They were brilliant.

I'm getting confused with the people that hate it and the converts!

TitianGerm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Not taking away from the achievement. More surprise that you are enjoying a souls like and doing well at it.

Gimli loves Bloodborne. Did you never see his updates? They were brilliant.

gimli2112

yeah I don't know why but Remnant clicked with me. I only liked Bloodborne from soulslike games but really really loved it, same with this. Maybe it's the guns

Retr0gamer

gimli2112 wrote: »

i wish I'd stay off the internet when I drink, nonetheless I was very proud of myself and no-one in real life cares

Not taking away from the achievement. More surprise that you are enjoying a souls like and doing well at it.

gimli2112

i wish I'd stay off the internet when I drink, nonetheless I was very proud of myself and no-one in real life cares

Retr0gamer

gimli2112 wrote: »

I fcuking love remnant from the ashes
there's a boss on a bridge that's a mare
played it today
perfect
I mean perfect
every dodge, every shot,every move
perfect
such a rush

Git gu.... wait a minute

gimli2112

I fcuking love remnant from the ashes
there's a boss on a bridge that's a mare
played it today
perfect
I mean perfect
every dodge, every shot,every move
perfect
such a rush

Retr0gamer

FF7 was faaaaaaar from a perfect game.

But think that the ff7 remake was great in that it took a freshing different take on the game. Like the resident evil remake it differentiated itself enough to be a different experience while not negating the original.

Robert ninja

It wasn't a remake but the biggest crime against a game's artistic integrity and vision has got to be the Silent Hill HD collection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wya4XhTPMcc

Which is in general why I'm against touching old titles most of the time. Just make new stuff, even if it's very similar. I think a remake or remaster are OK only if there was a ton of glitches in the original or some deal-breaker jankyness. Unfortunately the things that actually need remasters and remakes often don't get them; they're picked on their profitability instead of their need. I mean FF7... it wasn't remade to fix anything or expand on it. It's considered almost a perfect game. It's remake is purely to capitalise on their most famous title. They already added quicksaves and quality of life features people liked in later versions of the original. Honestly a solid PC versions from the start is all you really need. They age better.

They'll never remake or remaster Biohazard Outbreak series. Something that desperately needs a PC version with custom servers and no loading screens. But there's just not enough money in it so screw it. Let's lose the source code again!

Thecageyone

Greyfox wrote: »

I've never understood this attitude that some people have with remakes. I really enjoyed the FF7 remake but love the original more. The fact that the remake exists doesn't take anything away from the original.

Game remakes don't bother me near as much as movie remakes. Some of those are just downright pointless. With games it makes more sense I think, in that you're getting much the same experience but with [usually] better graphics, higher fps, a smoother overall experience. They often use the same voice actors and stay faithful enough to the look and feel of the game. With movies they often completely change the mood/feel of the original with a whole new cast, director, producer etc Reckon many more gamers would be pee'd off if they did same in the game world.

Greyfox

Parsnips wrote: »

Original FF7 is my all time Favourite Game.
As a result I wouldnt touch the remake. impossible to live up to the original.

I've never understood this attitude that some people have with remakes. I really enjoyed the FF7 remake but love the original more. The fact that the remake exists doesn't take anything away from the original.

Retr0gamer

Parsnips wrote: »

Original FF7 is my all time Favourite Game.
As a result I wouldnt touch the remake. impossible to live up to the original.

It's meant to be a very good game. Just give it a go. You might like it. And it also doesn't negate the fact that the original exists and can still be played.

Vicxas

Parsnips wrote: »

Original FF7 is my all time Favourite Game.
As a result I wouldnt touch the remake. impossible to live up to the original.

The remake (for the most part) is actually a faithful enough recreation, FF7 is my favourite game also.

My only concern is with the "Fates" the shadows that appear in the game, they have a smell of Kingdom Hearts BS off it.

Parsnips

Original FF7 is my all time Favourite Game.
As a result I wouldnt touch the remake. impossible to live up to the original.

Greyfox

Potatoeman wrote: »

Some games still hold up. I got a gpd xd+ last year to kill time travelling. Replayed resident evil, got some classic GBA games too. I found resident evil great for a replay but no way would I replay Final Fantasy 7, good for the time but the thought of that grind. No thanks. Those classic animated games like Zelda are timeless. 3D is tricker but there are some good ones. It depends what you are willing to tolerate.

I found both the original RE and original FF7 fun to play again last year although for FF7 the fast forward and skipping battles are a must. I love the fact that classic games on the switch have a quick save option, I don't think they take anything away from old games as they are just allowing for how gaming has changed. Zelda a link to the past still holds up amazingly well today. I think if a game is a masterpiece then it's always a masterpiece, the original ps1 Tombraider is hard to play today but it's still a masterpiece.