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PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

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Mark Cerny has been showing off the dev kit:

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console

PS5 FAQ:
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/#sf239758641

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quokula

I don't understand the obsession with backwards compatibility. If you love your PS3 games so much, don't throw away your PS3. Job done. Sony aren't taking anything away from you or stopping you from using that console.

This has never been a thing in console gaming. Sega didn't do it. Nintendo didn't do it. Microsoft are trying to change the model with their subscription service where you don't actually own anything and are moving to a fully BC model to accommodate that, but in general I don't see the point.

When I buy a new console I want it to be new. I don't want some of the money that could have gone to improving it to have been spent on including old hardware in the box or on developing an emulator which will never be quite the same anyway. Obviously as recent consoles have converged on off-the-shelf CPUs and GPUs it has gotten easier to have backwards compatibility between next gen and current gen pretty much for free, which is why PS4 games will be supported. But older consoles with unique hardware are just not worth the investment.

Any game that there's any real demand for (like FFVII mentioned above) gets re-released anyway and the updated version often comes with improvements in resolution, usability etc. to bring it a bit closer to modern standards. Very very few old games actually stand up or are worth playing today in their original form.

When they did have backwards compatibility in the past, like the 60GB PS3, so few players actually used it that they dropped it in order to make the console more affordable in the following revisions. If fans were really crying out for it in large numbers, they'd have continued with it.

Retr0gamer

The thing is that Sony don't have to offer this. It's a lot of money to invest and old games won't sell as well as new ones just by their nature.

Let's not fool ourselves. Microsoft were totally against BC as well and only had a great BC program due to being so far behind Sony. And Sony have been so far ahead this generation that they just sat back and did the bare minimum because as the fat boy slim album cover says 'I'm no. 1 why try harder'. A BC program would have been nice but wouldn't have been worth their time or money.

Kilboor

I only played Deus Ex (1) for the first time 3 years ago. Absolutely loved it even with all the technological limitations in place at the time of its release.

Other old games I've played for the first time recently and loved include Crash Bandicoot 2 (not the remaster) and Dragon Quest VIII. As said, a great old game will hold up perhaps even more so in the last decade where we have seen little in the way of gameplay innovation (imho) and more to do with graphics and stories

recyclops

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Old games still hold up. A good game will be a good game forever. Conker's Bad Fur Day and Goldeneye have aged horribly and always had horrendous framerate issues, even at release. But for every Goldeneye there's about 10 other amazing old games that put to shame most games that call themselves triple A.

Definitely gone back to play old games and enjoyed them immensely.

However my main issue is as a PC gamer my digital games collection will follow me to whatever system I build. It will always be there for me to play.

On console I'm expected to just abandon the games I've put money down on because the platform overlords have decided obsolete the old console and even worse shut down their servers so you can't access your games anymore.

Now saying that Nintendo are the worst and have shut down the Wii completely so you can't get those games at all. At least the PS3 library is still up. But I'd just prefer what Microsoft are doing where your collection will follow you from system to system. And with consoles adopting the same architecture as PC from now on and the ease of development with third party programs that can be compiled across multiple platforms it would be nice if everyone could be more like microsoft or the PC platform.

this is the key point, whilst yes alot of people buy new consoles to play new games there are games that are and forever will be classics. Heres looking at you silent hill 2.

Take the example in sonys case FFVII, of you had a second generation ps3 you had to rebuy it, say then you sold your ps3 and got a 4 and wanted to replay it, whats that you have to buy it again ( at a higher price). Thats a very good business model to make money but crap for your consumers.

All of this is made even worse if the technology is either there or nearly there, i do admit Markitron is right in saying its not easy. But if its something your consumers are asking for why not just do it.

quick caveat is i have a psclassic so access to any game, ps2 with harddrive so access to any game and a jailbroken ps3 so same again. But all of that is down to Sonys sheer reluctance to just give Playstation fans what they would like

johnny_ultimate

Full backwards compatibility is obviously an ideal (allowing for the actual technical physical restraints of carts / proprietary discs for many retro consoles), but honestly I’d be happier if Sony were just better at putting older generation games up even for digital purchasing. I think after the superb PS1 releases last gen - have a big library of PS1 rarities downloaded on my PS3 - a few scattered PS2 games this gen is pretty disappointing. Microsoft have done an amazing job making the vast majority of the Xbox library compatible, but really I think Sony have been weak this gen even by their own recent standards.

Penn

I think every gen should be BC with the previous gen (and it was a definite annoyance that PS4 wasn't, especially with how many remasters it led to since people had nothing else to play), but I think for most people who still want to play games older than that, it's generally a nice to have but not something I'd get hung up on. I think anyone who still loves playing those older games, they would have kept the consoles to play them on.

The only game from older consoles I've played in the last few years was Bully, but I also wouldn't have been bothered if it wasn't available to play.

RedXIV

jones wrote: »

I take your point but for me i've never once gone back to play and old game and have it hold up and believe me i've tried. Not to mention i'm now playing on 65" tv compared to the 21" CRT i would have been playing some of the older games on - the graphics are one thing but even the controls on most older games are horrible compared to this gen. They just look awful and handle terribly. I have pc games too and i do agree there is something nice about having them forever but at the same time most of the pc games i go back to are strategy etc so not very graphic intensive.

to be fair, its probably similar for older console games. I like the turn based RPGs because they don't depend on too much in the way of dynamic controls. BUT I found MGS very hard to replay recently

TitianGerm

jones wrote: »

Honestly i never get the big deal with backward compatability - have you ever gone back and tried to play an old game on newer system? Anything past a couple of years back and its a horrendous experience most of the time. In theory i like the idea of it but in practice i never use it. Using a boost mode type scenario up upscale the games has it merits but honestly its a meh for me. I'm not buying a PS5/XBOX to play older games

There's absolutely no negative for the customer to have backwards compatibly as far as I can see. Yes you might not use it but it's great to have the option of booting up an old game on your current system if you do fancy a trip down memory lane.

It's something that we should all want.

jones

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Old games still hold up. A good game will be a good game forever. Conker's Bad Fur Day and Goldeneye have aged horribly and always had horrendous framerate issues, even at release. But for every Goldeneye there's about 10 other amazing old games that put to shame most games that call themselves triple A.

Definitely gone back to play old games and enjoyed them immensely.

However my main issue is as a PC gamer my digital games collection will follow me to whatever system I build. It will always be there for me to play.

On console I'm expected to just abandon the games I've put money down on because the platform overlords have decided obsolete the old console and even worse shut down their servers so you can't access your games anymore.

Now saying that Nintendo are the worst and have shut down the Wii completely so you can't get those games at all. At least the PS3 library is still up. But I'd just prefer what Microsoft are doing where your collection will follow you from system to system. And with consoles adopting the same architecture as PC from now on and the ease of development with third party programs that can be compiled across multiple platforms it would be nice if everyone could be more like microsoft or the PC platform.

I take your point but for me i've never once gone back to play and old game and have it hold up and believe me i've tried. Not to mention i'm now playing on 65" tv compared to the 21" CRT i would have been playing some of the older games on - the graphics are one thing but even the controls on most older games are horrible compared to this gen. They just look awful and handle terribly. I have pc games too and i do agree there is something nice about having them forever but at the same time most of the pc games i go back to are strategy etc so not very graphic intensive.

EoinMcLovin

Devs speak: How PS5 console’s ultra-high speed SSD and Tempest 3D AudioTech engine will enhance the future of gaming

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/01/devs-speak-how-ps5-consoles-ultra-high-speed-ssd-and-tempest-3d-audiotech-engine-will-enhance-the-future-of-gaming/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFURnfVLA68

Retr0gamer

Old games still hold up. A good game will be a good game forever. Conker's Bad Fur Day and Goldeneye have aged horribly and always had horrendous framerate issues, even at release. But for every Goldeneye there's about 10 other amazing old games that put to shame most games that call themselves triple A.

jones wrote: »

Honestly i never get the big deal with backward compatability - have you ever gone back and tried to play an old game on newer system? Anything past a couple of years back and its a horrendous experience most of the time. In theory i like the idea of it but in practice i never use it. Using a boost mode type scenario up upscale the games has it merits but honestly its a meh for me. I'm not buying a PS5/XBOX to play older games

Definitely gone back to play old games and enjoyed them immensely.

However my main issue is as a PC gamer my digital games collection will follow me to whatever system I build. It will always be there for me to play.

On console I'm expected to just abandon the games I've put money down on because the platform overlords have decided obsolete the old console and even worse shut down their servers so you can't access your games anymore.

Now saying that Nintendo are the worst and have shut down the Wii completely so you can't get those games at all. At least the PS3 library is still up. But I'd just prefer what Microsoft are doing where your collection will follow you from system to system. And with consoles adopting the same architecture as PC from now on and the ease of development with third party programs that can be compiled across multiple platforms it would be nice if everyone could be more like microsoft or the PC platform.

Markitron

jones wrote: »

Honestly i never get the big deal with backward compatability - have you ever gone back and tried to play an old game on newer system? Anything past a couple of years back and its a horrendous experience most of the time. In theory i like the idea of it but in practice i never use it. Using a boost mode type scenario up upscale the games has it merits but honestly its a meh for me. I'm not buying a PS5/XBOX to play older games

I agree with you mostly. It is a very nice feature but its is somewhat meaningless in the long run and nowhere near as big a deal as it is made out to be by the hardcore fans.

Atlas_IRL

jones wrote: »

Honestly i never get the big deal with backward compatability - have you ever gone back and tried to play an old game on newer system? Anything past a couple of years back and its a horrendous experience most of the time. In theory i like the idea of it but in practice i never use it. Using a boost mode type scenario up upscale the games has it merits but honestly its a meh for me. I'm not buying a PS5/XBOX to play older games

Anything in 3D from really old consoles looks absolutely dire. Goldeneye one of the best games ever - i'd say it would be muck if i played it now but older games than that from snes etc still play great. I tried to play Conkers bad fur day on rare replay and the multiplayer was nearly unplayable but was brilliant back in the day just couldnt get into it, pixels are shocking.

Kilboor

I see where you're coming from but for me I've skipped the last console generations apart from briefly owning a ps4 (also skipped PS3 for xbox)

I'd like to try the new console generation but also play the classics from PS4 specifically last of us 1 and 2, God of War and maybe Uncharted.

There's probably some PS3 games I'd play through too and definitely a good few ps2 games I'd love to revisit.

For Xbox I don't care at all, there's nothing there in the past that's exclusive I care about. Here's hoping we get more playstation games on PC

jones

Honestly i never get the big deal with backward compatability - have you ever gone back and tried to play an old game on newer system? Anything past a couple of years back and its a horrendous experience most of the time. In theory i like the idea of it but in practice i never use it. Using a boost mode type scenario up upscale the games has it merits but honestly its a meh for me. I'm not buying a PS5/XBOX to play older games

Markitron

recyclops wrote: »

the ms model of read disc and then download digital surely cant be that difficult cant it ?

You can make it all sorts of difficult when you want to push your paid streaming platform instead.

Tbf MS have a dedicated team that port the OG XB & 360 games to the newer consoles, and it is done on a game by game basis. it is most certainly not easy, they just go above and beyond in their efforts.

recyclops

the ms model of read disc and then download digital surely cant be that difficult cant it ?

Retr0gamer

I would like if they would release PS1-3 classics as digital downloads on the PS5. And the news doesn't say that this will happen

Penn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Ubisoft retracted their backwards compatibility statement. Take from that what you will but I imagine it's more damage control from sony and Ubisoft giving out information they are privy to but shouldn't have released.

The statement was a bit ambiguous anyway from my reading of it, as it was on a section about upgrading PS4 games to PS5, and there was no clarification about whether it related to disk-games or download/streaming, as some PS1 & PS2 games are on PS Now which will likely still be playable on PS5.

Overall I wouldn't read too much into it. Not fussed about it either way as I doubt I'll go back to play any PS1/2/3 games anyway (have enough of a PS4 backlog as it is), but I wouldn't be taking a random Ubisoft page as gospel on it yet, as the wording of it seemed fairly flimsy anyway.

Markitron

Would they really require damage control on a leak that confirms something everyone already expected?

This whole dearth of information on these consoles is making news stories out of nothing, would they just either take a **** or get off the pot already.

Retr0gamer

Ubisoft retracted their backwards compatibility statement. Take from that what you will but I imagine it's more damage control from sony and Ubisoft giving out information they are privy to but shouldn't have released.

HairySalmon

billybonkers wrote: »

73 days until we have the console now and still no UI reveal, price or official pre orders

Surely will get this info soon???

Or that tear down that was mentioned in March as coming soon

TitianGerm

billybonkers wrote: »

73 days until we have the console now and still no UI reveal, price or official pre orders

Surely will get this info soon???

They've not done a teardown either where we can see the inside of the console and most importantly see what the cooling solution looks like.

ERG89

billybonkers wrote: »

73 days until we have the console now and still no UI reveal, price or official pre orders

Surely will get this info soon???

Pretty sure the Switch price reveal and pre-order's didn't happen until like 6 weeks before release so people have been waiting longer.

recyclops

https://kotaku.com/maybe-just-delay-next-gen-already-1844859500

this is a good article and difficult to argue with, maybe a delay in the consoles would be better for everyone

billybonkers

billybonkers wrote: »

Activision had a preview event for COD Black Ops: Cold War the other day and told them that on release it would meet next gen consoles on November 13th. So expect both on or before then so 11 weeks tomorrow we should have it.

73 days until we have the console now and still no UI reveal, price or official pre orders

Surely will get this info soon???

Retr0gamer

Was kind of hoping they would at least bring forward the the catalogue of Playstation classics to the PS5 that were available on PS3 and fix the PS2 emulation issues.

recyclops

Retr0gamer wrote: »

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/8/31/21408828/ps5-backwards-compatibility-ps3-ps2-ps1-rumor

So PS5 will have only some backwards compatibility with the PS4 but none for the PS1, 2 and 3

Thats disappointing but then its to be expected from Sony, they as always just tagged on backwards compat then dropped it from consoles straight away.

Hopefully they pull the finger out and fix their digital platforms and give the people what they want.

Zero-Cool

Retr0gamer wrote: »

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/8/31/21408828/ps5-backwards-compatibility-ps3-ps2-ps1-rumor

So PS5 will have only some backwards compatibility with the PS4 but none for the PS1, 2 and 3

I'll be keeping my PS3 then but i always figured that was the case. Wouldn't be so bad if their PS Now catalogue was beefed up a bit.

How Soon Is Now

Retr0gamer wrote: »

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/8/31/21408828/ps5-backwards-compatibility-ps3-ps2-ps1-rumor

So PS5 will have only some backwards compatibility with the PS4 but none for the PS1, 2 and 3

Wasnt expecting it to support them be honest. I've played many of the older games from the early systems I wanted to go back on so I'm happy enough to move forward. The certain amount of older stuff online anyway. Once I can play my remaining ps4 stuff it's all good!