PommieBast wrote: » Irish parties all fall into two categories: Ones I don't trust to implement their manifesto, and ones I don't want to implement their manifesto..
Madeleine Birchfield wrote: » Three categories. You are forgetting the ones that are too small to be able to implement their manifesto.
markodaly wrote: » Exonerated against the accusations yes, yes it does actually. Was the judge lying? Was there corruption involved in writing the report? Don't like the facts, when it doesn't suit? So either you are saying the judge was corrupt or he was correct in the report. You cant have it both ways.
blanch152 wrote: » The problem Mark, is that the facts don’t matter anymore, it is only the narrative and the perception. You can present all the evidence you like, but there will always be another smear from one of those posters - look at the Galway tent being drawn into another debate. However, if you say Gerry Adams sheltered pedophiles, you will be accused of lynching an innocent man, despite the fact that his own words admit the fact.
MickClifford wrote: She had to resign because she misrepresented the extent of her knowledge about what went on in 2015, she was slow in answering legitimate questions, her briefing to the Taoiseach saw him mislead the Dáil, and her department failed to discover important documents to the Disclosures Tribunal.
Yurt! wrote: » What is to be learned from the Id on display of Fine Gael super troopers across this thread and the general party culture: They fundamentally feel sorry for themselves that their (constructed in their head) brilliance is not recognised and flip the lid at their failures being exposed and discussed at any length whatsoever in a democracy. End.
blanch152 wrote: » If we move away from hyperbole and innuendo, and start to look at some facts about what is happened in society, a different picture emerges than the one of misery that is constantly posted here. Taking homelessness as an example:https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/monthly-homeless-report-for-june-2020-quarterly-progress-report/ Homeless numbers are now at their lowest level since August 2016. There is a long way to go, but it is clear that the measures taken by the last government are beginning to have an effect. Homelessness is like a large ship, it takes time to change direction, so some credit for these figures must be due to Eoghan Murphy and the changes he brought into effect. Let’s hope that this is just a start and that numbers will continue to come down. Certainly, compared to Northern Ireland, we are in a much better position. Nothing to gloat about, but a warning to voters to be careful what they wish for.
Bowie wrote: » We've discussed this twice before and both times I showed you Covid 19 played a major role and both times I showed you it was expected to surge once again once Covid ends. This Includes A&E attendance also. This kind or murky half the story FG propaganda is raised and having it rebuked, only for it to disappear and reappear again some time later is not honest discussion but more of a repeated party political broadcast.Link
Yurt! wrote: » What is to be learned from the Id on display of Fine Gael super troopers across this thread and the general party culture:They fundamentally feel sorry for themselves that their (constructed in their head) brilliance is not recognised and flip the lid at their failures being exposed and discussed at any length whatsoever in a democracy. End.
blanch152 wrote: » I am not going down another rabbit-hole with you on this. I have presented a report of the facts of the decrease in numbers. There are many different opinions on what is behind the numbers, but the numbers are the facts - homelessness is decreasing. You can hold a different opinion than me on the reasons behind the facts, but you can’t dispute the facts that the numbers show a decrease. What is new is the June report, which justifies me raising it again. COVID-19 May have been the trigger for people to consider other options, but that doesn’t mean the numbers will go back up. For now, we should just be happy the numbers are going down, I mean, it is a good thing?
Bowie wrote: » The numbers went down because we are in a pandemic. Nothing Murphy or FG did. TBF posing with a shovel with your sleeves rolled up wasn't going to achieve much.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Blanch couldn't refute the Frances Fitzgerald stuff..made an allegation that people were trying to smear her and promptly tried to change the subject. The Greens don't like it when you criticise FG.
markodaly wrote: » I see you want to go down this rabbit hole again, it wont end well as last time you did that you had lots of egg on your face.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184
blanch152 wrote: » The Frances Fitzgerald question was more than adequately addressed by others. The rest of your post is personal invective trying to get a response, not going there.
FrancieBrady wrote: » https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-30876014.html .
FrancieBrady wrote: » The report didn't exonerate her for what Clifford outlines. You and mark are attempting to do exactly what Clifford accuses FG of doing. Latching on to a word and trying to claim it covers everything. Touching loyalty but wholly wrong.
markodaly wrote: » And.... what exactly are you doing? Using an opinion piece as a way to dismiss the Charleton report and proclaim her guilty anyway, even though an independent judge with no political axe to grind exonerated Fitzgerald. A journalist can write what it wants, but we have a court system to proclaim people guilty or not. In this instance, the Disclosures Tribunal was the closet thing we had to a court sitting. Do you believe the Charleton report Francie? Do you take issue with its findings? If so, which findings and why? Are you suggesting wrongdoing in the summation of the report? If so, what wrongdoing?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Like Clifford...nobody is talking about the remit of the Carleton report.
blanch152 wrote: » Double standards again. Clifford can say what he likes about Frances Fitzgerald and it will be taken as gospel truth, but if Clifford was to turn around and say that Gerry Adams was in the IRA, he would be excorciated for convicting a man without a trial.
markodaly wrote: » Do you believe the Charleton report Francie? Do you take issue with its findings? If so, which findings and why? Are you suggesting wrongdoing in the summation of the report? If so, what wrongdoing?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Was the Dàil misled mark? Was that the reason she had to go? Did she make an almighty mess of the wh9le thing and do those who may be considering her for a position need to know about that? We do not, repeat, NOT need to send another FGer who thinks they have the smarts to lie and get away with it.
blanch152 wrote: » Answer a question with a question. Again, do you accept the Charleton Report or not?
FrancieBrady wrote: » What relevance has it to the conversation? .
markodaly wrote: » Opinion piece vs A tribunal report writen by a judge? Yes, we should all go with the opinion piece You love the 'Alternative Facts' Francie! But is shows the mindset, when facts are presented against you case, you either ignore them, or dismiss them as irrelvant. The post-truth world of Donald Trump right here displayed on this very thread!
She had to resign because she misrepresented the extent of her knowledge about what went on in 2015, she was slow in answering legitimate questions, her briefing to the Taoiseach saw him mislead the Dáil, and her department failed to discover important documents to the Disclosures Tribunal.
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