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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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[Deleted User]

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I think if the Kenosha shootings are going to be discussed, it is important to understand the backgrounds of those who died. We need to know if Rittenhouse genuinely felt his life was in danger. This knowledge will help us understand the situation better. I am not saying anyone deserved to die. On the contrary, I think it is a terrible tragedy what has happened. Three lives ruined. It appears to me that the two men who died posed a considerable danger to Rittenhouse. Did he know about their backgrounds at the time? Possibly not but their penchant for violence would undoubtedly have been evident on the night. These were extremely evil and violent men...

Anthony Huber

Armed with “nothing but his skateboard.” Described as “sweet and loving” despite years of domestic violence, false imprisonment, and use of a deadly weapon charges.
Huber was a felon and couldn’t have legally carried a gun. But he had his skateboard and he used it to crack Rittenhouse on the head and shoulder.

https://concealednation.org/2020/08/cnn-anthony-huber-only-had-a-skateboard/

Take a look at this guys charge sheet:

Joseph Rosenbaum

A convicted pedophile, spent time in prison for the sexual abuse of a minor:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/

Whilst in prison, he racked up a huge list of violent infractions including:

Assault, possession of drugs, arson, weapons manufacturing, assault with weapon...

There's a video going around of the teen who shot the people, punching a woman so he has a recent history of violence... The man prosecuted of having sex with a minor occurred back in 2002 when he was 18. 18 years free of prosecution is somebody who has reformed. He was the first man that was shot in the head, he was unarmed. All events after were people trying to disarm the guy who shot a man in the head.

On top of that, Rittenhouse boasted about how he would use lethal force. That is not normal or legal in the state with exception of threat to life which isn't realistic for one unarmed man that you need to shoot him in head straight out. He travelled over state lines with a gun he did not own. He broke curfew and open carry is illegal for somebody under 18.

So two people would not have died if he hadn't broken multiple laws.

ThunbergsAreGo

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is an epic strawman you've created. None of the above is relevant in any way to what the Trump supporting shooter did in murdering 2 people. There truly are no depths that Trumpists won't go to.

Why is the fact he was a Trump supporter relevant? I keep seeing this but am unsure exactly why who he would vote for matters

[Deleted User]

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Why is the fact he was a Trump supporter relevant? I keep seeing this but am unsure exactly why who he would vote for matters

Only a few days prior he had the homeowners at the RNC who posted guns at protesters who were not carrying problems. Trump has also previously backed militia violence.

ThunbergsAreGo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Only a few days prior he had the homeowners at the RNC who posted guns at protesters who were not carrying problems. Trump has also previously backed militia violence.

The teen did that?

Did they use the mail service to post the guns? I thought Trump has against the mail

[Deleted User]

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

The teen did that?

Did they use the mail service to post the guns? I thought Trump has against the mail

Trump did that, rhetoric can easily have knock on effects.

Carfacemandog

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Why is the fact he was a Trump supporter relevant? I keep seeing this but am unsure exactly why who he would vote for matters

It probably has something to do with the fact that the current president has openly promoted armed uprisings against democratically elected governments in the last few months, called attendees of a neo nazi rally that descended into terrorism "very fine people", has openly supported violence against those who disagree with his politics (and said he will cover any legal fees arising from said violence), has glorified violence during these very protests, has shown equal disdain for peaceful protests by villifying them in the media for months on end (Kaepernick) and even outright gassing them including the clergy who were attendant, has outright supported police violence and brutality in the past, as well as complete support of outright violence against journalists by elected officials.

Kidchameleon

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is an epic strawman you've created. None of the above is relevant in any way to what the Trump supporting shooter did in murdering 2 people. There truly are no depths that Trumpists won't go to.

Disagree. As I said, if he felt his life was in danger then he may be less of a cold blooded killer than people think. I have seen videos of Rittenhouse going around with a first aid kit, helping people injured. I have also seen videos of Rosenboum shouting at armed people "shoot me <n word> shoot me!" minutes before being shot. Rosenboum was particularly unhinged on the night. Again as I have already stated, nobody should be dead and its a tragedy IMHO but I think we all need the full picture no matter how hard it is to swallow

Cody montana

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Disagree. As I said, if he felt his life was in danger then he may be less of a cold blooded killer than people think. I have seen videos of Rittenhouse going around with a first aid kit, helping people injured. I have also seen videos of Rosenboum shouting at armed people "shoot me <n word> shoot me!" minutes before being shot. Rosenboum was particularly unhinged on the night. Again as I have already stated, nobody should be dead and its a tragedy IMHO but I think we all need the full picture no matter how hard it is to swallow

I’ve seen videos of him punching a girl.

ThunbergsAreGo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump did that, rhetoric can easily have knock on effects.

Agree he's been very poor on dealing with this, however so can a lack of condemnation

None of the political establishment are coming out of this well. Its a tinder box ready to blow

duploelabs

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I think if the Kenosha shootings are going to be discussed, it is important to understand the backgrounds of those who died. We need to know if Rittenhouse genuinely felt his life was in danger. This knowledge will help us understand the situation better. I am not saying anyone deserved to die. On the contrary, I think it is a terrible tragedy what has happened. Three lives ruined. It appears to me that the two men who died posed a considerable danger to Rittenhouse. Did he know about their backgrounds at the time? Possibly not but their penchant for violence would undoubtedly have been evident on the night. These were extremely evil and violent men...

Anthony Huber

Armed with “nothing but his skateboard.” Described as “sweet and loving” despite years of domestic violence, false imprisonment, and use of a deadly weapon charges.
Huber was a felon and couldn’t have legally carried a gun. But he had his skateboard and he used it to crack Rittenhouse on the head and shoulder.

https://concealednation.org/2020/08/cnn-anthony-huber-only-had-a-skateboard/

Take a look at this guys charge sheet:

Joseph Rosenbaum

A convicted pedophile, spent time in prison for the sexual abuse of a minor:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/

Whilst in prison, he racked up a huge list of violent infractions including:

Assault, possession of drugs, arson, weapons manufacturing, assault with weapon...

Does the shooter have access to that information?

Did the shooter target those individuals based on that information or was their killing 'a happy little accident' and was deserved despite the victims already paying their dues for their crimes?

duploelabs

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Agree he's been very poor on dealing with this, however so can a lack of condemnation

None of the political establishment are coming out of this well. Its a tinder box ready to blow

Has trump condemned the shooter yet? Surely if he hasn't, and then visits the site, that it can only embolden further similar attacks

[Deleted User]

duploelabs wrote: »

Has trump condemned the shooter yet? Surely if he hasn't, and then visits the site, that it can only embolden further similar attacks

I'm expecting him to be sympathetic towards the shooter when he goes to Kenosha.

Kidchameleon

duploelabs wrote: »

Does the shooter have access to that information?

Did the shooter target those individuals based on that information or was their killing 'a happy little accident' and was deserved despite the victims already paying their dues for their crimes?

I addressed this in the very post you quoted

dwayneshintzy

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Disagree. As I said, if he felt his life was in danger then he may be less of a cold blooded killer than people think. I have seen videos of Rittenhouse going around with a first aid kit, helping people injured. I have also seen videos of Rosenboum shouting at armed people "shoot me <n word> shoot me!" minutes before being shot. Rosenboum was particularly unhinged on the night. Again as I have already stated, nobody should be dead and its a tragedy IMHO but I think we all need the full picture no matter how hard it is to swallow

Have you seen this video of Rittenhouse?

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1299847372185403392

[Deleted User]

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I addressed this in the very post you quoted

No, you've tried to portray them as incredibly evil(one of them was convicted in 2002, nothing further since) but even his life being in considerable danger is not something that's remotely established.

CtevenSrowder

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It probably has something to do with the fact that the current president has openly promoted armed uprisings against democratically elected governments in the last few months, called attendees of a neo nazi rally that descended into terrorism "very fine people", has openly supported violence against those who disagree with his politics (and said he will cover any legal fees arising from said violence), has glorified violence during these very protests, has shown equal disdain for peaceful protests by villifying them in the media for months on end (Kaepernick) and even outright gassing them including the clergy who were attendant, has outright supported police violence and brutality in the past, as well as complete support of outright violence against journalists by elected officials.

I see this old chestnut is still doing the rounds.

extra gravy

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I think if the Kenosha shootings are going to be discussed, it is important to understand the backgrounds of those who died.

Didn't take long for the victim blaming. Trump supporters are so predictable.

namloc1980

Trump supporters trying to ram and maim protestors in Portland. Trump has emboldened them. Trump has stoked these fires. The shootings in Kenosha is just the start.

.

Carfacemandog

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I see this old chestnut is still doing the rounds.

Of course it is. Had there been multiple marches literally organised by ISIS and Al Qaeda in a city during Obama's tenure under the guide of 'religious freedom' yet filled with ISIS banners and jihadist slogans etc, one of which resulted in terrorism and murder, there would have been uproar. The Unite the Right rallies were organised by outright white supremacists like Richard Spencer (of "heil Trump!" infamy) and even the KKK themselves.

Had Obama gone to that city immediately afterwards and said he didn't support Islamic extremists but these "religious freedom" rallies filled with said jihadists and extremists, and again organised by al Qaeda and ISIS, had "very fine people" partaking in them, he would rightfully have been called out as sympathizing with and validating terrorist extremists and bigots.

This is precisely what Trump did, only replacing ISIS/Al Qaeda/jihadists with the KKK and high profile white supremacists. There is no defending it.

[Deleted User]

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I see this old chestnut is still doing the rounds.

What else would you call white supremacists and Nazis walking the streets?

Dyr

duploelabs wrote: »

Does the shooter have access to that information?

Did the shooter target those individuals based on that information or was their killing 'a happy little accident' and was deserved despite the victims already paying their dues for their crimes?

It makes it far, far more likely that the dead felons were, once again, deviating very far from normative social behaviour when they were offed in self defence, of course if you watched the footage you'd know that though. Convicted paedo with a history of violence chasing a teenager, I'm gonna say he was presenting a clear threat when the kid did a society a favour. Same with the low life wailing on the kid while the kid was on the ground.

Two dead bad guys and dude who was pointing a a gun at the kid loses half his arm. No stray rounds. Damn fine shooting if you ask me.

Dyr

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Of course it is. Had there been multiple marches literally organised by ISIS and Al Qaeda in a city during Obama's tenure under the guide of 'religious freedom' yet filled with ISIS banners and jihadist slogans etc, one of which resulted in terrorism and murder, there would have been uproar. The Unite the Right rallies were organised by outright white supremacists like Richard Spencer (of "heil Trump!" infamy) and even the KKK themselves.

You know Spencer is supporting Biden this time around, right? That means you should hate Biden, by your logic.

namloc1980

Bambi wrote: »

You know Spencer is supporting Biden this time around, right? That means you should hate Biden, by your logic.

I bet that point sounded really good in your head. You even put a little smilie face as you were so pleased with it. Bless.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-campaign-disavows-richard-spencer-endorsement-2020-8%3Famp&ved=0ahUKEwiq6PKt9cLrAhUhpHEKHVKuAzoQyM8BCCowAA&usg=AOvVaw3WrsQ1ZLZBbEXW3xnWgmSl&ampcf=1

Carfacemandog

Bambi wrote: »

You know Spencer is supporting Biden this time around, right? That means you should hate Biden, by your logic.

I see you appear to have completely missed the Biden campaign immediately doing what Trump refused to (and what his supporters defended him for refusing to do): completely rejected Spencer's endorsement.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-campaign-strongly-rejects-endorsement-of-white-nationalist-richard-spencer/

“When Joe Biden says we are in a battle for the soul of our nation against vile forces of hate who have come crawling out from under rocks, you are the epitome of what he means,” campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said Sunday on Twitter, responding to a tweet by Spencer. “What you stand for is absolutely repugnant. Your support is 10,000% percent unwelcome here.”

[Deleted User]

Bambi wrote: »

It makes it far, far more likely that the dead felons were, once again, deviating very far from normative social behaviour when they were offed in self defence, of course if you watched the footage you'd know that though. Convicted paedo with a history of violence chasing a teenager, I'm gonna say he was presenting a clear threat when the kid did a society a favour. Same with the low life wailing on the kid while the kid was on the ground.

Two dead bad guys and dude who was pointing a a gun at the kid loses half his arm. No stray rounds. Damn fine shooting if you ask me.

There's a video of the shooter punching a woman, deviating very far from normative social behaviour , no?

salmocab

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There's a video of the shooter punching a woman, deviating very far from normative social behaviour , no?

Well she looked like a liberal so presumably she deserved it.

[Deleted User]

It is pretty telling the type of people that are that after justifying the killings though. They're the exact type of poster that justifies police killings and like to pretend that BLM don't have legitimate grievances. Also the same type that rant about refugees etc but say the proud boys are great. It's pretty transparent.

Kidchameleon

Deleted User wrote: »

The man prosecuted of having sex with a minor occurred back in 2002 when he was 18. 18 years free of prosecution is somebody who has reformed.

There is no justifying child rape no matter how long ago it happened. Here is your "reformed" person moments before he was shot. Shouting racist abuse, acting aggressively, being physically abusive, inviting violence upon himself:

* Warning, the video contains use of the "N word"

I am not saying the shooter was right or that these people deserved to die. I am saying the shooter may have felt the need to defend himself.

Cody montana

salmocab wrote: »

Well she looked like a liberal so presumably she deserved it.

Classy.

Dyr

salmocab wrote: »

Well she looked like a liberal so presumably she deserved it.

She was assaulting a third party so we can say her political views have nothing to do with her getting the digs off the boy.

Do you think the paedo and domestic abuser were shot becuase they looked like liberals.