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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Markcheese

Why the hell would they knock it in the middle of the night ?

Mav11

Markcheese wrote: »

Why the hell would they knock it in the middle of the night ?

Less traffic, much safer?

s1ippy

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

SleetAndSnow

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

‘Nobody’ is a bit extreme. Know for a fact a lot of people here, people on skyscraper city and I know that almost 80% of my extended family when we were talking about it were in favor of it.

AugustusMinimus

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

Don’t talk for the rest of us. That building would look completely out of place in a development which is badly needed.

questionmark?

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

Nobody is a bit over the top.

That whole site is wasted as it currently stands. The new development will see a couple of hundred apartments which are badly needed plus they bringing the historic railway offices and ticketing hall (which will become a bar/restaurent) back into use. This is a fine development that will benefit the city.

ShamoBuc

It had to go. Regeneration, new modern buildings etc it's great to see our City change and become more modern looking. We have had too little change for too long. Onwards and upwards. There are plenty of old and historic buildings in Cork still, while the City evolves.

high horse

questionmark? wrote: »

Nobody is a bit over the top.

That whole site is wasted as it currently stands. The new development will see a couple of hundred apartments which are badly needed plus they bringing the historic railway offices and ticketing hall (which will become a bar/restaurent) back into use. This is a fine development that will benefit the city.

Where are the historic railway offices? Is it the redbrick building by the traffic lights just past the sextant on the link road?

cantalach

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there.

Absolutely untrue. I do. The building had no historic or architectural significance. We need a lot of homes in this country and high density development in or near the city centre is the most environmentally friendly way to do that. People living in city centres brings life to city centres.

snotboogie

The issue is that I don't see any indication that the apartments will be built.

SleetAndSnow

snotboogie wrote: »

The issue is that I don't see any indication that the apartments will be built.

JCD are usually good though, if it was BAM it would be a totally different story

whisky_galore

cantalach wrote: »

Absolutely untrue. I do. The building had no historic or architectural significance. We need a lot of homes in this country and high density development in or near the city centre is the most environmentally friendly way to do that. People living in city centres brings life to city centres.

Demolish all buildings in cork of "no historic or architectural significance" and you won't have much city centre left. I don't see what these glass things bring to the "architectural significance" table, all looking much the same.
They're hardly going to be affordable to rent when complete anyhow.

Justin Credible Darts

Good riddance to the sextant, as said it had no significance.

Would like to see connolly hall, grace church and a few other building in cork get tore down as well.
And that building by the train station that looks like its covered in a bin liner.....hideous

lawrencesummers

cantalach wrote: »

Way too big a development to put hi up there until there is clarity on badly needed infrastructural improvements, i.e. the M28 and the Southern Distributor route, esp. the part connecting Carr’s Hill with Donnybrook Hill. Douglas can’t take another 400 cars coming through the Fingerpost every morning and evening.

There is a road onto the south link from before Douglas Golf club that cars would use going out in the morning.

AugustusMinimus

lawrencesummers wrote: »

There is a road onto the south link from before Douglas Golf club that cars would use going out in the morning.

Those houses are nowhere near the South Link Road. Are you talking about going through Douglas and joining at Turners Cross?

Treehelpplease

those houses have to pass the slip road to the South RING road to get to the fingerpost which im supposing they meant. everyone calls it the link though as it no longer acts as a ring road around the city as the city has vastly outgrown it

AugustusMinimus

Treehelpplease wrote: »

those houses have to pass the slip road to the South RING road to get to the fingerpost which im supposing they meant. everyone calls it the link though as it no longer acts as a ring road around the city as the city has vastly outgrown it

That’s not even the South Ring Road. It’s the N28.

Treehelpplease

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

That’s not even the South Ring Road. It’s the N28.

For 800 metres (or 1.4 km if you count the start of the 100kmh section the end of the n28). While yes people are technically on the n28, its for a very short section and can only be used to access the n 40 so i still consider it the link and everyone I know does too. its all technically the n28 Cork-Ringaskiddy Road, n40 Cork South Ring Road and n27 South City Link Road, yet i bet no one outside of people actively knowledgable about roads call any of them that. and thats because the ring road name no longer matches reality as a large percentage of the south city is based outside the ring road. And for most people living in cork its used as a "link" to get from the outer city to get to the inner city (wilton, mahon, ballypheane, etc) or the city centre. this may change when the m40 is closed off to most exits to the residential areas of the city and becomes used as an actual bypass of the city

TheChizler

Whether it's common to call all those roads the link or not, you must understand that it's confusing for others when you're talking about a specific area but using a description that you insist could mean anywhere on ~10km of roads. Everyone knows what the South Link, South Ring and Carrs Hill refer to, use those, nobody's insisting on the full legal name and road number.

Treehelpplease

No with that I agree and im not trying to say anyone is wrong for using the correct name. i was just talking about the post Augustus made about it not being the link. yes, its not but its clear what the person meant

Brussels Sprout

What the story with Navigation Square Building #2. I walked past it earlier and each floor just had a big logo of the various construction companies in the windows. Didn't seem they were furnished either. That's been finished since way before lockdown right? Any sign of any tenants moving in there?

sheff_

high horse wrote: »

Where are the historic railway offices? Is it the redbrick building by the traffic lights just past the sextant on the link road?

Directly behind the sextant site, before you cross the road to the old redbrick tram buildings. So much fuss over the sextant because people enjoyed a pint there, yet if the station and adjoining building which are far superior and historically more important were knocked we wouldn't have heard a sound from most.

Justin Credible Darts

sheff_ wrote: »

Directly behind the sextant site, before you cross the road to the old redbrick tram buildings. So much fuss over the sextant because people enjoyed a pint there, yet if the station and adjoining building which are far superior and historically more important were knocked we wouldn't have heard a sound from most.

Indeed, people have this romantic notion that every pub is some historic building

Treehelpplease

newspapers here use the words historic and iconic so loosely.

fonecrusher1

Delighted to see it knocked. Progress is a good thing. Amazing how it gained the status historic / iconic the minute someone wants to use the site for a new building taller than 3 floors. :rolleyes:

Objecting for the sake of objecting.

There are loads and loads of other genuinely historic buildings in the city. You'd think the sextant was the only old building in Cork.

namloc1980

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Delighted to see it knocked. Progress is a good thing. Amazing how it gained the status historic / iconic the minute someone wants to use the site for a new building taller than 3 floors. :rolleyes:

Objecting for the sake of objecting.

There are loads and loads of other genuinely historic buildings in the city. You'd think the sextant was the only old building in Cork.

Almost all the commentary from people lamenting the knocking off the Sextant revolved around how they had a great night out there at some point or that the pints were very nice there. Very very few mentions of its architectural merits. Says it all really.

TheChizler

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Delighted to see it knocked. Progress is a good thing. Amazing how it gained the status historic / iconic the minute someone wants to use the site for a new building taller than 3 floors. :rolleyes:

Objecting for the sake of objecting.

There are loads and loads of other genuinely historic buildings in the city. You'd think the sextant was the only old building in Cork.

It's been listed on the NIAH site for a good while, it had some architectural merits, not enough to keep it though: https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20508014/the-sextant-albert-quay-albert-street-cork-city-cork-city-cork-city

No need to be so dismissive of other people's opinions, they're as valid as your own.

Diziet

sheff_ wrote: »

Directly behind the sextant site, before you cross the road to the old redbrick tram buildings. So much fuss over the sextant because people enjoyed a pint there, yet if the station and adjoining building which are far superior and historically more important were knocked we wouldn't have heard a sound from most.

Actually, there would be a lot of upset if these protected structures were knocked. The station and adjoining building have a lot of history.

The Sextant was just more visible, and a landmark in that corner. Initially, as it is part of an Architectural Conservation Area (ACA), the council claimed the exterior would be preserved. That clearly did not happen. It's all part of the fabric of the city, which is being eroded. It is perfectly possible to incorporate landmarks without flattening everything.

whisky_galore

Conserving some of the fabric of a city, developments and jobs aren't mutually exclusive, either/or. Some attractive European cities keep a historic centre, here we flatten, gut and stick ugly Dermot Bannon glass boxes on things.

Justin Credible Darts

whisky_galore wrote: »

Conserving some of the fabric of a city, developments and jobs aren't mutually exclusive, either/or. Some attractive European cities keep a historic centre, here we flatten, gut and stick ugly Dermot Bannon glass boxes on things.

give over....the sextant is hardly Notre dame, or some classic building of note.

It was a pub where people only liked it, not for its structure, aethetic look or anything, but because some people had a memory of drinking there.

sick of this "progress is evil" vibe so many have