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FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

We've discussed this twice before and both times I showed you Covid 19 played a major role and both times I showed you it was expected to surge once again once Covid ends. This Includes A&E attendance also.
This kind or murky half the story FG propaganda is raised and having it rebuked, only for it to disappear and reappear again some time later is not honest discussion but more of a repeated party political broadcast.

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I am not going down another rabbit-hole with you on this.

I have presented a report of the facts of the decrease in numbers. There are many different opinions on what is behind the numbers, but the numbers are the facts - homelessness is decreasing.

You can hold a different opinion than me on the reasons behind the facts, but you can’t dispute the facts that the numbers show a decrease.

What is new is the June report, which justifies me raising it again.

COVID-19 May have been the trigger for people to consider other options, but that doesn’t mean the numbers will go back up. For now, we should just be happy the numbers are going down, I mean, it is a good thing?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

If we move away from hyperbole and innuendo, and start to look at some facts about what is happened in society, a different picture emerges than the one of misery that is constantly posted here. Taking homelessness as an example:

https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/monthly-homeless-report-for-june-2020-quarterly-progress-report/

Homeless numbers are now at their lowest level since August 2016. There is a long way to go, but it is clear that the measures taken by the last government are beginning to have an effect. Homelessness is like a large ship, it takes time to change direction, so some credit for these figures must be due to Eoghan Murphy and the changes he brought into effect.

Let’s hope that this is just a start and that numbers will continue to come down.

Certainly, compared to Northern Ireland, we are in a much better position. Nothing to gloat about, but a warning to voters to be careful what they wish for.

We've discussed this twice before and both times I showed you Covid 19 played a major role and both times I showed you it was expected to surge once again once Covid ends. This Includes A&E attendance also.
This kind or murky half the story FG propaganda is raised and having it rebuked, only for it to disappear and reappear again some time later is not honest discussion but more of a repeated party political broadcast.

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FrancieBrady

Yurt! wrote: »

What is to be learned from the Id on display of Fine Gael super troopers across this thread and the general party culture:

They fundamentally feel sorry for themselves that their (constructed in their head) brilliance is not recognised and flip the lid at their failures being exposed and discussed at any length whatsoever in a democracy. End.

All week there has been a campaign here to change the subject. FG certainly don't like to be called to account. The whinging about Hogan hasn't stopped. At least FF took their medicine and aren't pointing fingers at 'lynch mobs' etc.

Yurt2

blanch152 wrote: »

If we move away from hyperbole and innuendo, and start to look at some facts about what is happened in society, a different picture emerges than the one of misery that is constantly posted here. Taking homelessness as an example:

https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/monthly-homeless-report-for-june-2020-quarterly-progress-report/

Homeless numbers are now at their lowest level since August 2016. There is a long way to go, but it is clear that the measures taken by the last government are beginning to have an effect. Homelessness is like a large ship, it takes time to change direction, so some credit for these figures must be due to Eoghan Murphy and the changes he brought into effect.

Let’s hope that this is just a start and that numbers will continue to come down.

Certainly, compared to Northern Ireland, we are in a much better position. Nothing to gloat about, but a warning to voters to be careful what they wish for.

The FG Id in all its glory.

James Brown

Yurt! wrote: »

What is to be learned from the Id on display of Fine Gael super troopers across this thread and the general party culture:

They fundamentally feel sorry for themselves that their (constructed in their head) brilliance is not recognised and flip the lid at their failures being exposed and discussed at any length whatsoever in a democracy. End.

The irony of dodging issues raised to tender false claims and then running away when asked to back up said claims is lost on them.

blanch152

If we move away from hyperbole and innuendo, and start to look at some facts about what is happened in society, a different picture emerges than the one of misery that is constantly posted here. Taking homelessness as an example:

https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/monthly-homeless-report-for-june-2020-quarterly-progress-report/

Homeless numbers are now at their lowest level since August 2016. There is a long way to go, but it is clear that the measures taken by the last government are beginning to have an effect. Homelessness is like a large ship, it takes time to change direction, so some credit for these figures must be due to Eoghan Murphy and the changes he brought into effect.

Let’s hope that this is just a start and that numbers will continue to come down.

Certainly, compared to Northern Ireland, we are in a much better position. Nothing to gloat about, but a warning to voters to be careful what they wish for.

Yurt2

What is to be learned from the Id on display of Fine Gael super troopers across this thread and the general party culture:

They fundamentally feel sorry for themselves that their (constructed in their head) brilliance is not recognised and flip the lid at their failures being exposed and discussed at any length whatsoever in a democracy. End.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem Mark, is that the facts don’t matter anymore, it is only the narrative and the perception.

You can present all the evidence you like, but there will always be another smear from one of those posters - look at the Galway tent being drawn into another debate.

However, if you say Gerry Adams sheltered pedophiles, you will be accused of lynching an innocent man, despite the fact that his own words admit the fact.

Nobody mis-represented facts in relation to why Frances Fitzgerald had to resign and why she made a shambles. Fine Gael arrogance and refusal to accept that they are not above anyone else.

MickClifford wrote:

She had to resign because she misrepresented the extent of her knowledge about what went on in 2015, she was slow in answering legitimate questions, her briefing to the Taoiseach saw him mislead the Dáil, and her department failed to discover important documents to the Disclosures Tribunal.

blanch152

markodaly wrote: »

Exonerated against the accusations yes, yes it does actually.

Was the judge lying?
Was there corruption involved in writing the report?
Don't like the facts, when it doesn't suit?

So either you are saying the judge was corrupt or he was correct in the report.
You cant have it both ways.

The problem Mark, is that the facts don’t matter anymore, it is only the narrative and the perception.

You can present all the evidence you like, but there will always be another smear from one of those posters - look at the Galway tent being drawn into another debate.

However, if you say Gerry Adams sheltered pedophiles, you will be accused of lynching an innocent man, despite the fact that his own words admit the fact.

christy c

PommieBast wrote: »

Irish parties all fall into two categories: Ones I don't trust to implement their manifesto, and ones I don't want to implement their manifesto..

Best summation I have seen!

James Brown

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Three categories. You are forgetting the ones that are too small to be able to implement their manifesto.

Although hopefully headed that way, it wouldn't relate to FG as the third largest party.

[Deleted User]

PommieBast wrote: »

Irish parties all fall into two categories: Ones I don't trust to implement their manifesto, and ones I don't want to implement their manifesto..

Three categories. You are forgetting the ones that are too small to be able to implement their manifesto.

PommieBast

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

2 things FG are great at

1. Lies
2. Saying "But Sinn Fein"

Irish parties all fall into two categories: Ones I don't trust to implement their manifesto, and ones I don't want to implement their manifesto..

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Exonerated against the accusations yes, yes it does actually.

Was the judge lying?
Was there corruption involved in writing the report?
Don't like the facts, when it doesn't suit?

So either you are saying the judge was corrupt or he was correct in the report.
You cant have it both ways.

The journalist who was on top of this whole affair had this to say and I agree with him. This was why she had to resign and this is why it is more than fair to say she made an utter mess of the whole situation and, like Hogan, was the author of her own misfortune, but blamed everyone else, and almost brought down the whole government, before, like Hogan, she fell on her own sword or was pushed.
Employer beware!

She had to resign because she misrepresented the extent of her knowledge about what went on in 2015, she was slow in answering legitimate questions, her briefing to the Taoiseach saw him mislead the Dáil, and her department failed to discover important documents to the Disclosures Tribunal.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-30876014.html

P.S. The same bitter yapping is starting to emerge re: Hogan. It's nonsense too. It's the Fine Gael way.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah the old 'exonerated' in a sentence means she was exonerated for every thing she did.

Exonerated against the accusations yes, yes it does actually.

Was the judge lying?
Was there corruption involved in writing the report?
Don't like the facts, when it doesn't suit?

So either you are saying the judge was corrupt or he was correct in the report.
You cant have it both ways.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

You must have misread my question.

Where was Frances Fitzgerald exonerated for misleading the Dail and her Taoiseach?

I don't think it did, can you point me towards that specific part please?

As I said to you last time, the evidence and details given to her by the DOJ was wrong, thus the complete exoneration in the report.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah the old 'exonerated' in a sentence means she was exonerated for every thing she did.

Usual nonsense.

Did Martina go along with that,I wonder.......uhmmm

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

I see you want to go down this rabbit hole again, it wont end well as last time you did that you had lots of egg on your face.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

Ah the old 'exonerated' in a sentence means she was exonerated for every thing she did.

Usual nonsense.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

I see you want to go down this rabbit hole again, it wont end well as last time you did that you had lots of egg on your face.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

You must have misread my question.

Where was Frances Fitzgerald exonerated for misleading the Dail and her Taoiseach?

I don't think it did, can you point me towards that specific part please?

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Can you copy and paste from the report exactly where she was exonerated for misleading the Dail, and her Taoiseach Mark?

I asked about this before but i don't think it's in there though, can you help me find it?

I see you want to go down this rabbit hole again, it wont end well as last time you did that you had lots of egg on your face.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

The Charleton Tribunal has fully accepted the evidence of former tánaiste and minister for justice Frances Fitzgerald about her knowledge of, and responses to, an alleged Garda strategy to undermine the reputation of Garda whistleblower Maurice McCabe.

The Tribunal report gives a clear exoneration to Ms Fitzgerald, who was forced to resign from the Government in November 2017 as a result of the political controversy surrounding her role.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh she can red the report if she likes but the salient, relevant and warning part is how she misled the House, almost brought down the government and had to do exactly what Phil had to do...fall on her own sword.

Did you read all that on twitter? Someone of her calibre won't need to take lessons from someone on twitter, but I dare say an official independent report written by Judge would carry more weight than some nativist populists online.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

Von Der Leyen is a heavyweight politician and won't be interested in the bottom-feeders, shinnerbots and spooks on Twitter.

She can do her own homework and read the Charleton report, which exonerated Francis Fitzgerald.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

Can you copy and paste from the report exactly where she was exonerated for misleading the Dail, and her Taoiseach Mark?

I asked about this before but i don't think it's in there though, can you help me find it?

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

Von Der Leyen is a heavyweight politician and won't be interested in the bottom-feeders, shinnerbots and spooks on Twitter.

She can do her own homework and read the Charleton report, which exonerated Francis Fitzgerald.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

She was happy to see Hogan go over flouting Covid regs and telling fibs. Francis was much more of a liability. She'd be nuts to take on another sub par Fine Gaeler.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Von Der Leyen is a heavyweight politician and won't be interested in the bottom-feeders, shinnerbots and spooks on Twitter.

She can do her own homework and read the Charleton report, which exonerated Francis Fitzgerald.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

Oh she can red the report if she likes but the salient, relevant and warning part is how she misled the House, almost brought down the government and had to do exactly what Phil had to do...fall on her own sword.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If they nominate Frances, Von Der Leyen's Twitter feed will light up with alerts to check out the Maurice McCabe story.

Another **** show waiting to happen if FG are stupid enough.

Von Der Leyen is a heavyweight politician and won't be interested in the bottom-feeders, shinnerbots and spooks on Twitter.

She can do her own homework and read the Charleton report, which exonerated Francis Fitzgerald.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-acted-appropriately-at-all-times-charleton-1.3660184

satguy

I see now that big Phil Hogan will now pick up a €440K golden handshake.

You would think they would add the extra €60K and round it up to a cool Half Million for him..

The rest uf us will have to wait until we are 68 for our pensions.. But no half mil ...

dundalkfc10

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The auld ‘telling lies’ expression so beloved of the bullhorn brigade becoming popular again??

2 things FG are great at

1. Lies
2. Saying "But Sinn Fein"

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I hope somebody will say it. These senior FG Ministers and MEPs will lie and lie to hold on to their positions. Hogan defied his government and lied through his teeth to hold on. Fitzgerald 'misled' to hold on too.
We don't need that.

The auld ‘telling lies’ expression so beloved of the bullhorn brigade becoming popular again??

RandomViewer

Yurt! wrote: »

You may as well cancel Europe if they let someone like MacSharry near any class of Commission portfolio. I wouldn't let the man run a tuck shop

Hrs about as popular as genital warts in the Dail so any chance to inflict him on someone else will be jumped at

Yurt2

You may as well cancel Europe if they let someone like MacSharry near any class of Commission portfolio. I wouldn't let the man run a tuck shop