Galway traffic

what_traffic wrote: »

https://galwaybayfm.ie/podcasts/galway-talks-with-keith-finnegan-thursday-3rd-september-2020-2-2/

from 1:21:52 onwards

Couldn't listen to any more of that clown that the snippet I head on the radio this morning. Surprised he stayed awake.

He has pi**ed off enough people anyway with his anti bypass nonsense going by the reaction.

what_traffic

https://galwaybayfm.ie/podcasts/galway-talks-with-keith-finnegan-thursday-3rd-september-2020-2-2/

from 1:21:52 onwards

what_traffic

zell12 wrote: »

It is the NTA who decide where to locate bus stops and where to erect shelters on advice from the local authority.
Who funds the shelters, maintains them and gets advertising contracts..dunno.

Am pretty certain that JCDecaux pays for the shelters and maintains them in lieu for the advertising that it offers. So for Council its really only the capital costs of preparing the groundwork for the shelter, dont believe they have any influence on the locations though as "ThePentagon" outlines. Presume though they are keen on the busier bus routes.

zell12

It is the NTA who decide where to locate bus stops and where to erect shelters on advice from the local authority.
Who funds the shelters, maintains them and gets advertising contracts..dunno.

ThePentagon

McGiver wrote: »

As I said - the council are idiots.

They have only 5 shots (a systemic issue on its own) - and they shoot them at wrong places and in a wrong way...

They didn't upgrade the most important ones and they selected a wrong design.

We enthusiasts would make a better assessment and decision, and we're not rocket (bus) scientists. Even if they let people vote for the location and design of the bus shelters it would generate a better outcome.

I really don't know what to do with this council lot. I think I will send a letter to the council at least. It would be good if multiple people did the same.

Where are the new shelters? I'll have a look and take a picture which I'll send to the council along with the letter/email.

The location of the new bus shelters was influenced mainly by the commercial needs of the company that is paying for them, the advertising firm JCDecaux. Locations are chosen not to accommodate the needs of bus users but more for their potential advertising exposure. Any benefit those bus shelters provide for commuters is entirely coincidental : D

https://twitter.com/cycle_bus/status/1301822093194133504

LostDuck wrote: »

Really heart-warming seeing the number of bikes doing the morning school run in Knocknacarra this week. Next to the schools is still carnage with cars but nice flow of bikes (parents and kids) on the approaching roads.

Wonder how much is this boosted from the number of adults that got back on bikes during lockdown. The lack of bus services probably helped too!

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Its funny watching you make these statement to MOB while being guilty of exactly the same thinking yourself's with the close streets to cars, no cars into the city centre, get rid of parking etc etc.

You want the convenience of the city but without the inconvenience of people who want/need to travel into the city to go about their business and using cars is the way many want or need to make these trips.

I never mentioned closing parking places. They can use cars, but not in the city centre. Park outside the city centre and then walk, cycle, use public transport. This is what happens in Europe and nobody questions it.

I think you are stuck in small-townist mindset or some sort of insularism.
This is a city and not the Irish countryside or some sort of a little town in the middle of nowhere. And this is Europe with limited land available not America with spaces available for massive roads and jeeps driving everywhere.

I was born in, lived in, worked in and visited multiple cities where they could organise their public spaces properly. Huge number of cars don't belong to modern European city centres, if so then only in a very limited and controlled way at most.

Mearings

I blame Athy, Blake, Bodkin, Browne, D'Arcy, Deane, Font, Ffrench, Joyce, Kirwan, Lynch, Martin, Morris and Skerritt. They should have made the city streets wider.

fergiesfolly

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

I dont agree with Mrs O either, if you live in the city you have conveniences like she described but you have to put up with noise (from multiple sources), crowds, traffic, cars, bikes, small apartments/houses, reduced privacy etc.

Yes No. But bringing people into the city doesn't mean they have to be in cars. ParknRide would work wonders

donvito99 wrote: »

It's not the inconvenience of the people going about their business that they're getting at, it's the inconvenience to everyone that their convenience causes.

Mrs O wants that trappings of suburban living in an Irish Town Centre and basically wants the centre to revolve around residents only.

I dont agree with Mrs O either, if you live in the city you have conveniences like she described but you have to put up with noise (from multiple sources), crowds, traffic, cars, bikes, small apartments/houses, reduced privacy etc.

donvito99

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Its funny watching you make these statement to MOB while being guilty of exactly the same thinking yourself's with the close streets to cars, no cars into the city centre, get rid of parking etc etc.

You want the convenience of the city but without the inconvenience of people who want/need to travel into the city to go about their business and using cars is the way many want or need to make these trips.

It's not the inconvenience of the people going about their business that they're getting at, it's the inconvenience to everyone that their convenience causes.

Mrs O wants that trappings of suburban living in an Irish Town Centre and basically wants the centre to revolve around residents only.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Soooooooo, you want the convenience of city centre living.
But without the inconvenience of people.

McGiver wrote: »

Spot on. Basically, a bit asocial attitude and somewhat delusional. Sorry Mrs, no offence intended

City Centre living means convenience but also potential inconvenience from crowds/people. You cannot expect no people around while living in the city centre - anywhere in the world.

Its funny watching you make these statement to MOB while being guilty of exactly the same thinking yourself's with the close streets to cars, no cars into the city centre, get rid of parking etc etc.

You want the convenience of the city but without the inconvenience of people who want/need to travel into the city to go about their business and using cars is the way many want or need to make these trips.

ben.schlomo wrote: »

That's Buttermilk Lane/Walk, pedestrianised too.

Flood St, the whole of Cross St and Middle St should be pedestrian only - with the exception of supply vehicles and some scheme for residents. No through traffic otherwise. The fact it isn't is laughable if you ask me.

Closing only the part of Cross St wasn't enough, that was long overdue and the situation at the crossroad of High St and Cross St was ridiculous for a city that markets itself as a fancy, tourist, fun place.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Soooooooo, you want the convenience of city centre living.
But without the inconvenience of people.

Spot on. Basically, a bit asocial attitude and somewhat delusional. Sorry Mrs, no offence intended

City Centre living means convenience but also potential inconvenience from crowds/people. You cannot expect no people around while living in the city centre - anywhere in the world.

fergiesfolly

Soooooooo, you want the convenience of city centre living.
But without the inconvenience of people.

Mrs OBumble

LostDuck wrote: »

Mrs OBumble what do you enjoy about living in the city centre?

Genuine question. It sound like you'd prefer living slightly outside of town along a bus route to work?

Heaps!

A biggie: it means I don't need to own a car: mostly I can use public transport, or if I need a car the rents options are easy to get to. Walking distance of the rail/bus stations means that trips away are viable on public transport too. (If I got back from Dublin on a bus that arrived at 2am, and had to get a taxi to the suburbs, it would add a lot of cost / time / hassle to the trip.)

Central location also means I can easily take work contracts in different estates. Vs some suburb / job combos are difficult, eg if you're in Renmore, then Ballybrit is a PITA to get to.

Pre-covid, we could decide to go for a last pint at 10:55pm - and be in the pub by 11pm. With zero transport cost, or drink-driving worries.

Mid-afternoon good coffee or weekend brunch? I can't even count the cafes within walking distance.

Shops - all within easy reach. Need a pint of milk at 6:45pm: if I go right now and I can get it from Dunnes. Missed Dunnes, there are a few corner stores around, one open til 10:45pm even now.

No lawns to mow. No neighbours lawn mowers to listen to. No fences or trees to fight about.

No door-knocks from campaigning politicians, Mormons, trick-or-treaters, Phonewatch sales peeps, etc. (The electoral register and census people find us - the rest don't have the imagination to know people live here.)

zell12

Local news stated that one CityDirect route is returning on Monday
Eyre Square - Cappagh Road

Johnny_BravoIII

LostDuck wrote: »

Really heart-warming seeing the number of bikes doing the morning school run in Knocknacarra this week. Next to the schools is still carnage with cars but nice flow of bikes (parents and kids) on the approaching roads.

Wonder how much is this boosted from the number of adults that got back on bikes during lockdown. The lack of bus services probably helped too!

Some day we'll look back with disbelief that people and children fought for road space alongside flying metal boxes.

Really heart-warming seeing the number of bikes doing the morning school run in Knocknacarra this week. Next to the schools is still carnage with cars but nice flow of bikes (parents and kids) on the approaching roads.

Wonder how much is this boosted from the number of adults that got back on bikes during lockdown. The lack of bus services probably helped too!

ben.schlomo

That's Buttermilk Lane/Walk, pedestrianised too.

Mrs OBumble what do you enjoy about living in the city centre?

Genuine question. It sound like you'd prefer living slightly outside of town along a bus route to work?

Space Dog

ben.schlomo wrote: »

You had a busker outside your window on a non pedestrianised street? So he blocked the footpath? Which street was it out of interest as i can't say I've ever seen a busker on a non pedestrianised street in town. Strange it's only ever happened to you. And you couldn't resist the bike phobia story.

I've seen buskers on Middle Street on a few occasions. Usually outside or near the church.

Mrs OBumble wrote:

I'd take cars with fumes, any day.

Your choice. Don't think it would be the choice of other people. So only because of potential busking we'll give up on pedestrianisation?

Traffic also generates noise and vibrations.

Mrs OBumble wrote:

On a pedestrianised street, there are no cars, but the people-noise is a lot worse: they talk, sing, busk, drum, play music for entertainment etc. And the behaviour in the space at night is worse to, including yelling, fighting, fÃºcking (if there are park benches) etc.

Regulate busking as required. And enforce the law. Not sure the presence of cars stops yelling and fighting. It may stop the latter

Mrs OBumble wrote:

The fumes thing will reduce massively as more cars switch to electric.

Ha ha, good joke, forget it. In Galway? That will take 20 years. I'm driving electric and my daughter plays a game "spot an EV" - that's how rare they are around here.

Mrs OBumble wrote:

An interesting thing in the pedestrianisation trend: most people think that pedestrianised means bicycles are allowed. Bylaws say they aren't, but these aren't enforced, and the cycling lobbyists hate it. But the creeping electrification of cars and two-wheelers means that the line between them is blurring: there are some very powerful "bicycles" and some very gutless and inoffensive "cars" out there already. And no one knows where three-wheelers fit.

Cycle access can be regulated as required.

Has Covid pushed more people into cars as to avoid public transport and car pooling?

ben.schlomo

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'd take cars with fumes, any day.

Even on a non-pedestrianised street, I've been at home sick when a busker set up outside my window - was torture for the day. I seriously considered going down and offering him €20 to feck off. Only thing that stopped me was the knowledge that he'd tell his mates and the next one would be along.

On a pedestrianised street, there are no cars, but the people-noise is a lot worse: they talk, sing, busk, drum, play music for entertainment etc. And the behaviour in the space at night is worse to, including yelling, fighting, fúcking (if there are park benches) etc.

The fumes thing will reduce massively as more cars switch to electric.

An interesting thing in the pedestrianisation trend: most people think that pedestrianised means bicycles are allowed. Bylaws say they aren't, but these aren't enforced, and the cycling lobbyists hate it. But the creeping electrification of cars and two-wheelers means that the line between them is blurring: there are some very powerful "bicycles" and some very gutless and inoffensive "cars" out there already. And no one knows where three-wheelers fit.

You had a busker outside your window on a non pedestrianised street? So he blocked the footpath? Which street was it out of interest as i can't say I've ever seen a busker on a non pedestrianised street in town. Strange it's only ever happened to you. And you couldn't resist the bike phobia story.

Mrs OBumble

McGiver wrote: »

Do you prefer:
A) buskers, drunks, rowdies
cars with fumes etc

BTW non-pedestrianised city centre streets generate both, so what's the point in NOT pedestrianising. You at least eliminate i.e. cars and fumes.

I'd take

cars with fumes, any day.

Even on a non-pedestrianised street, I've been at home sick when a busker set up outside my window - was torture for the day. I seriously considered going down and offering him €20 to feck off. Only thing that stopped me was the knowledge that he'd tell his mates and the next one would be along.

On a pedestrianised street, there are no cars, but the people-noise is a lot worse: they talk, sing, busk, drum, play music for entertainment etc. And the behaviour in the space at night is worse to, including yelling, fighting, fúcking (if there are park benches) etc.

The fumes thing will reduce massively as more cars switch to electric.

An interesting thing in the pedestrianisation trend: most people think that pedestrianised means bicycles are allowed. Bylaws say they aren't, but these aren't enforced, and the cycling lobbyists hate it. But the creeping electrification of cars and two-wheelers means that the line between them is blurring: there are some very powerful "bicycles" and some very gutless and inoffensive "cars" out there already. And no one knows where three-wheelers fit.

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

Not in our lifetime, ICE is going nowhere thankfully.

Because Covid?