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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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mcmoustache

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the projection here is impressive. the Savoy cinema have a job waiting for you if you need one.

It's always projection. It was the same in 2016. Trumpers thought that those who dislike Trump venerated Clinton in the same way that they venerate Trump. It's the same this time around with Biden when it's clear that nobody's excited about Biden. In fact, I would say that most people find him to be the human equivalent of white bread - you'd go for better options but it'll do in a pinch.

There isn't this cultish devotion for Biden at all. There's no QAnon equivalent with him. There's no Trump-van bomber fanatics or synagogue mass shooters devoted to him. There's no dedicated mainstream media channel working overtime heaping North Korean levels of praise on him every night.

They know that they're way down a rabbit hole and the only way to avoid facing the reality of having been conned is to convince themselves that there are two sides and that "the other" is just as bad as what they're having difficulty facing up to.

Irishman80

Cody montana wrote: »

Because it’s nonsense,

No, it's actually OK to criticise candidates/parties.

If you find yourself needing to defend against every criticism of a candidate or party, your probably not looking at a situation objectively anymore.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Can you name one of those barriers?

The gender pay gap.

I don't even know what that means.

It means that rather than looking at the glass ceiling - how high one person or minority was able to fly, you should be looking at the floor: where the vast majority of women and minorities exist, and what their situation is. Yes, Obama got to be president but also almost 27% both of blacks and hispanics are below the poverty line while just 9% of whites are.

ohnonotgmail

Irishman80 wrote: »

You said I called people idiots. I've asked you to point out that quote.

6 year olds know what those words mean. if you want to be taken seriously then stop with the outright lies.

namloc1980

Biker79 wrote: »

There is a flagrant abuse of language among Bidenistas.

The root cause is that they are fundamentally wrong in the choice they have made. But its hard to admit you are wrong. Much easier to continue spouting nonsense and blindly supporting a party being eaten alive by marxism. Its less trouble deflecting criticism with daft questions and juvenile sarcasm, while shifting goalposts and calling observant posters trolls. Classy stuff.

PS: I prefer the term ' Trumpeteer '.

I asked this already but the Trumpists didn't answer but please explain how the Democratic party or Joe Biden is in any way Marxist? I suspect you have no idea what Marxism or socialism is. It's just a bullshit Fox News and GOP talking point. Anybody who thinks Joe Biden is a Marxist is utterly deluded and has simply descended into regurgitating Trumpian talking points and has lost the ability to think for themselves.

So again, what exactly about the Democratic party and Joe Biden is Marxist? Take your pick of Biden's multiple policies https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Irishman80

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

6 year olds know what those words mean. if you want to be taken seriously then stop with the outright lies.

You're the person who is stating we should quote people directly. You said I called people idiots.

I'm asking you to point out where I called people idiots. That's all. If you can't, that's fine. Just accept the correction and move on.

extra gravy

Kamala Harris:

"We must always defend peaceful protest & peaceful protesters. We should not confuse them with those looting & committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder... We will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice

The reality is that the life of a black person in America has never been treated as fully human. And we have yet to fulfill that promise of equal justice under law.

The Republican convention is designed for one purpose -- to soothe Donald Trump's ego. To make him feel good.

Here's what you have to understand about the nature of a pandemic. It's relentless. You can't stop it with a tweet. You can't create a distraction and hope it will go away.

Instead of rising to meet the most difficult moment of his presidency, Donald Trump froze... the tragedy in all of this is it didn't have to be this bad. Look around. It's not like this in the rest of the world... all we needed was a competent president."

Nail on head. And a tonic to the drivel we've heard at the RNC all week.

Professor Moriarty

Biker79 wrote: »

There is a flagrant abuse of language among Bidenistas.

The root cause is that they are fundamentally wrong in the choice they have made. But its hard to admit you are wrong. Much easier to continue spouting nonsense and blindly supporting a party being eaten alive by marxism. Its less trouble deflecting criticism with daft questions and juvenile sarcasm, while shifting goalposts and calling observant posters trolls. Classy stuff.

Must be exhausting being full of it.

PS: I prefer the term ' Trumpeteer '.

Your childish name calling aside, Biden, Harris and Pelosi are Marxists? Okie dokie.

ohnonotgmail

Irishman80 wrote: »

You're the person who is stating we should quote people directly. You said I called people idiots.

I'm asking you to point out where I called people idiots. That's all. If you can't, that's fine. Just accept the correction and move on.

you did call people idiots. i have already pointed out where you did that multiple times. if you are going to be this dishonest then nobody will engage with you and you will be screaming into the void. best of luck with that.

relax carry on

Jesus, trying to have a discussion with Trump/Republican loyalists is just bananas. Reading some of those posts is just torturous. I don't know what's worse, those posters posting inane drivel to wind people up or those posters posting inane drivel that they truly believe to be a defence of/praise of the leader.

Cody montana

Irishman80 wrote: »

No, it's actually OK to criticise candidates/parties.

If you find yourself needing to defend against every criticism of a candidate or party, your probably not looking at a situation objectively anymore.

Are you talking about yourself and the republican party?

Irishman80

Cody montana wrote: »

Are you talking about yourself and the republican party?

I made a general statement. Not directed at anyone in particular.

Why would you think it is?

Cody montana

Irishman80 wrote: »

I made a general statement. Not directed at anyone in particular.

Why would you think it is?

Because of what you post.

namloc1980

Irishman80 wrote: »

Where is the word idiots there?

I never called anyone an idiot. I've just read back my messages and yes, no mention of the word idiots.

Can you please quote me directly in future if you are accusing me of calling people idiots? Thank you.

Can you translate "duh, duh, hur du dur" and what it means? That will clear up the issue.

ohnonotgmail

Irishman80 wrote: »

If you can't point out where I called people idiots, just accept the correction and move on.

In future, if you are going to accuse me of calling people idiots or some other term, can you please directly quote me?

that is a direct quote.

Irishman80

Cody montana wrote: »

Because of what you post.

It's was a general statement.

Irishman80

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is a direct quote.

No, I didn't call anyone an idiot.

Filling the system with s--t is something everyone can do.

MadYaker

Don't understand the thinking behind this pushing of the "Biden will pull out of the debates" narrative. Saying it over and over won't make it happen.

ohnonotgmail

MadYaker wrote: »

Don't understand the thinking behind this pushing of the "Biden will pull out of the debates" narrative. Saying it over and over won't make it happen.

wishful thinking. they dont want to see their idol Donnie be embarrassed when he loses his train of thought and starts rambling like a lunatic.

Irishman80

MadYaker wrote: »

Don't understand the thinking behind this pushing of the "Biden will pull out of the debates" narrative. Saying it over and over won't make it happen.

I don't think Biden will pull out of the debates. My original point was on the mixed messaging the Democrats were making on the issue today.

I found out pretty quickly that any criticism of the Democrats and Biden will not be tolerated.

namloc1980

Irishman80 wrote: »

I don't think Biden will pull out of the debates. My original point was on the mixed messaging the Democrats were making on the issue today.

I found out pretty quickly that any criticism of the Democrats and Biden will not be tolerated.

If you heard a mixed message then that was your interpretation of it. Pelosi gave a personal opinion that Trump's lies shouldn't be given a platform. In a way she's right, the guy is a pathological liar. He lies every day and as the President he has lowered the dignity of the presidency to the gutter.

Biden said again that he looks forward to debating Trump and to fact checking and challenging the lies. This isn't confusing or mixed unless you want it to be.

Ten of Swords

Irishman80 take 24 hours away from this thread. You should seriously reconsider your posting style when when you return

Irishman80

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Irishman80 I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, however if you post in this thread one more time between now and 9.30pm tomorrow you will receive a 1 week ban from CA

Overheal

"A hot-mic video of Donald Trump from late 2015 shows the then-GOP presidential candidate privately boasting about pressuring the Better Business Bureau (BBB) to change the rating given to his embattled Trump University business venture. It also shows him complaining about a “Spanish” judge he later called a “Mexican.”

The video, obtained and released by Mother Jones on Thursday, stemmed from a December 2015 taped deposition in a lawsuit filed by former Trump University students alleging they had been defrauded by Trump’s false promises regarding the real estate seminar. While Trump repeatedly insisted throughout his 2016 campaign that he did nothing wrong and vowed never to settle the lawsuit, he agreed to pay the plaintiffs $25 million settlement over the “sham” university."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRX0Cz8hvMA

https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/hot-mic-video-shows-trump-boasting-about-threatening-bbb-complaining-about-spanish-judge-he-later-called-a-mexican/

During a break in the deposition, which took place in a conference room in Trump Tower, Trump and his attorney Daniel Petrocelli were left in the room alone, with both men apparently unaware that the camera was still rolling.

Referring to the BBB, a non-profit group that gives businesses a letter grade from A-F, Trump noted that the organization had given Trump University a “D” rating, telling Petrocelli, “that’s a kill for you.” Then Trump described how his “guy upstairs,” who he described as an “Alan Garten type,” had phoned the BBB and said, “We’re going to sue you – [unintelligible] – an ‘A,’ and got the ‘D’ removed.” The University shut down in 2010.

During a televised presidential debate a few months later, Trump made several claims about Trump University’s rating with the BBB that were soon shown to be demonstrably false.

The video also shows Trump talking about U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, a Barack Obama appointee who was presiding over the case.

“Is he an asshole or does he just want me in his courtroom?” Trump asked Petrocelli. “He’s an average judge,” Petrocelli responded, adding, “He’s not nuts. He’s from the wrong side of the aisle, too. That’s not helping.”

Trump then asked, “What about the Spanish thing?”

A little more than a year later, newly-elected President Trump attacked the Indiana-born Curiel – who was presiding over an immigration lawsuit against Trump – as being “a Mexican.”

In a 2017 interview, Trump described Curiel as being “extremely hostile” toward him because of his stance on immigration.

“I think it has to do with, perhaps, the fact that I’m very, very strong on the border — very, very strong on the border,” Trump said. “He has been extremely hostile to me. Now, he is Hispanic, I believe.”

After being criticized for his comments, Trump doubled-down a few months later saying of Curiel, “He’s a Mexican. We’re building a wall between here and Mexico.”

The tape was given to Mother Jones by Art Cohen, one of the lead plaintiffs in the Trump University lawsuit. David Corn, who obtained the video, said Trump lawyers demanded that the video be destroyed.

https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1299050816771366912?s=20

Overheal

People have complained today that Biden doesn't give interviews and claimed he won't go to the debates. Well. Here's his interview today where he rubbishes Pelosi's notion he shouldn't do the debates:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/biden-dismisses-pelosi-suggestion-to-skip-debates-pledges-i-will-be-a-fact-checker-on-the-floor-while-debating-trump/

“I do not think the President of the United States has comported himself in a way that anybody associates with truth, evidence, data, and facts. I wouldn’t legitimize a conversation with him,” Pelosi told reporters on Thursday.

“What do you think about that, would you consider it, not debating the president?” Mitchell asked.

“No, I’m going to come — as long as the commission continues down the straight and narrow, as they have, I’m going to debate him,” Biden said, and added that “I’m going to be a fact checker on the floor while I’m debating him, in fact.”

“But look, the one thing that’s going on so far is the vast majority, with notable exceptions, of the news media have been fact-checking the things they’ve been saying during the convention, and it’s just one lie after another,” Biden continued. “Lying lying lying lying, one after another.”

“But the debates are going to take place, I’ve been recommended to me by a number of very competent people who know their way around, including leading Republicans, that I shouldn’t debate Trump unless there’s a fact checker on the ground, in there in the debates saying ‘that’s true, that’s not true.’ But look, I think everybody knows this man has a somewhat pathological tendency not to tell the truth,” Biden said.

osarusan

Biker79 wrote: »

. Much easier to continue spouting nonsense and blindly supporting a party being eaten alive by marxism.

Just how far down the rabbit hole do you have to be to think that the Democratic Party is 'being eaten alive by marxism'?

briany

To any real hardcore Trump supporter, all you really have to say is to think of all the controversial things Trump has done or said during or before his presidency. Now, imagine those accusations were leveled at Joe Biden or any other Democrat. Would they be as forgiving?

And the real answer to that is probably no in most cases. Because what matters to them is not the action itself, but who is doing it. This is encapsulated by the fact that Bill Clinton and Trump have associated with Jeffrey Epstein. In a Trump supporter's mind, only one of these is worthy of criticism for that, and no prizes for guessing which.

And really I'd have no huge problem with a hardcore Trump supporter saying, "I don't care what he has done or said. All I care about is that his stated aims and rhetoric align with mine (be that in terms of anti-immigration, anti-globalism, pro-gun, anti-abortion, pro-police, anti-BLM, anti-left, generally annoying liberals, building the border wall, is a climate change sceptic etc.). That is ALL. i. CARE. ABOUT. Couldn't care less about his personal character." At least that would be honest. Very little mental gymnastics needed.

Overheal

Trump definitely doesn't want you to know about Russia attacking our troops

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1299046525776138240?s=20

mcmoustache

Overheal wrote: »

Trump definitely doesn't want you to know about Russia attacking our troops

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1299046525776138240?s=20

I can't think of any administration in living memory that would stand for that. A strongly worded statement at a minimum. It's quite a sign of the USA's new position in the world.

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mcmoustache wrote: »

I can't think of any administration in living memory that would stand for that. A strongly worded statement at a minimum. It's quite a sign of the USA's new position in the world.

You would imagine, if the incident did occur, that trump supporters would normally be all over this demanding action. But given that there folks that used to be going on about reds under the bed now sport better Russian than democrat tops, I'm not surprised if they let it go.