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Golfgate: Multiple public figures breach COVID-19 restrictions

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Another one bites the dust, Calleary gone.

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StackSteevens

L1011 wrote: »

It won't be a current TD. There's been a handful of decent suggestions, one in particular more qualified to take the role than anyone else is ever likely to be.

Would need primarily legislation to delay a BE based on primary legislation brought in after FF tried to avoid BEs in 2010.

Not a chance that MM would nominate Bertie though. So that leaves MMcG, so who is her sub?

L1011

StackSteevens wrote: »

Not a chance that MM would nominate Bertie though. So that leaves MMcG, so who is her sub?

Gabby McFadden, ex Senator/ex TD. There are more if she says no, but I suspect she wouldn't.

StackSteevens

L1011 wrote: »

Gabby McFadden, ex Senator/ex TD. There are more if she says no, but I suspect she wouldn't.

Examiner is tipping Coveney.

In the unlikely event that he gets it, I wonder would Jerry Buttimer run in the by-election!

L1011

StackSteevens wrote: »

Examiner is tipping Coveney.

In the unlikely event that he gets it, I wonder would Jerry Buttimer run in the by-election!

Hadn't even thought of that as an issue if he did actually go. I'm fairly certain no TD will be nominated.

Hermy

StackSteevens wrote: »

Examiner is tipping Coveney.

Who would get Foreign Affairs in his absence?

L1011

Hermy wrote: »

Who would get Foreign Affairs in his absence?

McEntee I'd guess; but its not gonna happen.

An Ri rua

L1011 wrote: »

Hadn't even thought of that as an issue if he did actually go. I'm fairly certain no TD will be nominated.

They should give it to a Senator. This crowd certainly can't get more conical.

Sam Russell

Hermy wrote: »

Who would get Foreign Affairs in his absence?

Leo, but it will not happen. No TD as no bi election. Governments do not win bi-elections.

L1011

An Ri rua wrote: »

They should give it to a Senator. This crowd certainly can't get more conical.

None of them really meet the "not a donkey" requirement to hold the portfolio. And they'd lose any Seanad by-election most likely. The appointed Senators could be even worse.

moon2

Cole wrote: »

With respect, it's not worth pointing out what I'm "essentially" saying...because that's not what I'm saying.

Then what were you saying? Can you clarify precisely where you stand were Phil Hogan to have broken the rules as described?

I don't know where the evidence is that he has broken as many rules as he has felt like

It was sufficient for our Taoiseach and Tainiste. Is them being satisfied about the evidence sufficient enough for you?

Good loser

If anyone is competent to do their job on a Friday presumably they would be similarly competent the following Monday.

If, over a weekend, they breached a law the penalties prescribed under that Law should be the appropriate (and sufficient) punishment.

Hermy

If in breaching a law anyone demonstrates an inability to follow basic instruction then perhaps their competence wasn't all that it seemed.

McGiver

thomas 123 wrote:

Seen this all over social media today, what has he actually done for Ireland though? The mercosour deal and the more recent deal with the US both will have a negative impact on Irish farmers and fishermen.

EU Commissioners are not there to do something for the member states. They work for the EU as a whole.

Thinking he should have done something for Ireland is a warped (and Dail-esque) understanding of the role.

Other than that, happy he's resigned else the Commission (and EU) reputation could have been damaged. Would be more ammo for populists/eurosceptics.

L1011

Hermy wrote: »

If in breaching a law anyone demonstrates an inability to follow basic instruction then perhaps their competence wasn't all that it seemed.

And if their attempts to defend their actions, they demonstrate obfuscation and confusion it further suggests their competence may not be sufficient.

That and they undermined their position entirely with those they are negotiating with by doing that.

Cole

L1011 wrote: »

Its exceptionally unlikely they'll reshuffle the Commission so we'll still have Trade.

Cole wrote: »

I hope you're right.

I just listened to Professor Gavin Barrett from UCD on Morning Ireland...not confident that we'll keep Trade. Obviously one point of view, but I've heard one too many similar assessments like this.

L1011

Cole wrote: »

I just listened to Professor Gavin Barrett from UCD on Morning Ireland...not confident that we'll keep Trade. Obviously one point of view, but I've heard one too many similar assessments like this.

The majority of people I've seen who have expressed that view in the media would be of a similar political persuasion to Hogan and would have been trying to protect him. NOBODY was saying this when Hogan was looking to leave for the WTO, remember.

If UvdL wants to rip up the rulebook after decades, it could happen. It won't go down well with basically any other member state though (except whoever gets the role)

Cole

L1011 wrote: »

NOBODY was saying this when Hogan was looking to leave for the WTO, remember.

Fair point

bertiebomber

L1011 wrote: »

The majority of people I've seen who have expressed that view in the media would be of a similar political persuasion to Hogan and would have been trying to protect him. NOBODY was saying this when Hogan was looking to leave for the WTO, remember.

If UvdL wants to rip up the rulebook after decades, it could happen. It won't go down well with basically any other member state though (except whoever gets the role)

you are correct a few weeks ago he was going to WTO only he got tipped off he wouldnt get the gig so he stayed in trade to pretend he cared as his rejection on a public stage would not have been tolerable to him. Hes gone, he was intent on going himself for bigger bucks but the people got him like a karma for his bad behaviour long ago.

thomas 123

McGiver wrote: »

EU Commissioners are not there to do something for the member states. They work for the EU as a whole.

Thinking he should have done something for Ireland is a warped (and Dail-esque) understanding of the role.

Other than that, happy he's resigned else the Commission (and EU) reputation could have been damaged. Would be more ammo for populists/eurosceptics.

Just to clarify I was responding directly to someone who said he was great for Ireland or great for Ireland to have there.

How was he? That was my question as I am sure you knew when you read my post.

I am aware of what the EU does.

Podge_irl

I suspect the Commission will be keen to not give the impression that a member state can pressure a Commissioner to resign and replace him in the same role. I expect they will shuffle the portfolio away from Ireland. But let's see I guess.

L1011

Podge_irl wrote: »

I suspect the Commission will be keen to not give the impression that a member state can pressure a Commissioner to resign and replace him in the same role. I expect they will shuffle the portfolio away from Ireland. But let's see I guess.

Except its happened before with no reshuffle; and a reshuffle would require new EP approval which is not an easy process.

Cole

A very interesting interview with Clare Daly on Prime Time tonight re. the whole Phil Hogan matter. The one person I thought would be leading the charge against him and twisting the knife after his resignation, was more or less suggesting he'd been hard done by. Especially given that EU policy is that MEPs can avoid quarantines due to regular testing, according to Daly.

McGiver

Cole wrote:

A very interesting interview with Clare Daly on Prime Time tonight re. the whole Phil Hogan matter. The one person I thought would be leading the charge against him and twisting the knife after his resignation, was more or less suggesting he'd been hard done by. Especially given that EU policy is that MEPs can avoid quarantines due to regular testing, according to Daly.

He's not an MEP.

Dank Janniels

Any reports of other Golfgates? Id imagine theres aload of other clubs and groups deleting their facebook photos from the last few weeks!
One positive from all this is that people might take the restrictions abit more seriously from now on in fear of the publicity and scandal

Cole

McGiver wrote: »

He's not an MEP.

Sharp mind

fenris

Cole wrote: »

Especially given that EU policy is that MEPs can avoid quarantines due to regular testing, according to Daly.

Does that not just mean that MEPs will not need to quarantine on their return to Brussels?

It doesn't over-ride Irish regulations for persons arriving into Ireland?

Cole

fenris wrote: »

Does that not just mean that MEPs will not need to quarantine on their return to Brussels?

It doesn't over-ride Irish regulations for persons arriving into Ireland?

That may be the case - I don't know the ins and outs of it - and I'm not referring to it as a defence for Phil Hogan. Clare Daly made this point in the context of Hogan and seemed to be suggesting that, given the flexibility for MEPs re. Covid19 and quarantine, that (as a commissioner) he was a bit hard done by.

Sam Russell

Cole wrote: »

That may be the case - I don't know the ins and outs of it - and I'm not referring to it as a defence for Phil Hogan. Clare Daly made this point in the context of Hogan and seemed to be suggesting that, given the flexibility for MEPs re. Covid19 and quarantine, that (as a commissioner) he was a bit hard done by.

He may have been hard done by, but it was all of his own making. He had 8 or 9 attempts to explain himself, and as they say - while you are explaining, you are losing. A single far reaching apology, and explanation, citing his confusion and work schedule might have done.

Of course, using his mobile while driving was a big no no - hard to explain that away.

Cole

Sam Russell wrote: »

A single far reaching apology, and explanation, citing his confusion and work schedule might have done.

Agreed

Bellview

Did the social democratic and Sinn Fein councillors resign from their council seats Who like hogan broke the quarantine rules or is there one rule For hogan and another for the councillors .. especially as both parties have been preaching a lot recently