ec18 wrote: » but like the attorney general, government advisers they are appointed by the government that the people elected. Philo was a TD before being nominated at as a commissioner.
mick087 wrote: » No EU commissioner is elected they are selected they are not accountable to its citizens. Phil Hogan is proving how accountable to its citizens the EU unelected commissioners are.
Muahahaha wrote: » Hogan didnt implement Mercosur but he does support it and has said as much. If Brazilian beef ends up on Irish supermarket shelves there will be war with the farmers. Why should they be implementing higher standards in beef farming and traceability of food if the Brazilians can just come in and undercut them anyway.
tigger123 wrote: » It was privileged access by a golden circle that ultimately contributed to the economy going over the edge of a cliff. But sure, nothing to see here. Be grand.
L1011 wrote: » Sutherland wasn't a Minister, nor was David Byrne. They had both been AG, though. I don't think we can send Woulfe!
mick087 wrote: » Paul Gallagher SC was indeed appointed he is an legal adviser to our elected goverment. Our elected goverment takes advice from the him. Why is giving the citizens of the EU the right to vote for its commissioners such an issue for you? Why do you want an unelected elite few running the EU commission? Why do you not want an EU commission accountable to its citizens? Why do you not want a democratic EU commission?
First Up wrote: » Commissioners are not accountable to the electorate.
Podge_irl wrote: » You are aware that even if we had voted for Hogan Ireland would still not be able to demand his resignation at the moment? Commissioners are, for good reason, not subservient to member state governments.
Podge_irl wrote: » You are aware that even if we had voted for Hogan Ireland would still not be able to demand his resignation at the moment? Is that a good idea? Commissioners are, for good reason, not subservient to member state governments. They act in the interest of who exactly? Sounds a little bit like the ECB in the white heat of the financial crisis and that didnt go to well for us.
You are aware that even if we had voted for Hogan Ireland would still not be able to demand his resignation at the moment?
Commissioners are, for good reason, not subservient to member state governments.
mick087 wrote: No EU commissioner is elected they are selected they are not accountable to its citizens.
The Belly wrote: » Is that a good idea?
They act in the interest of who exactly? Sounds a little bit like the ECB in the white heat of the financial crisis and that didnt go to well for us.
RandomViewer wrote: » FG nominees are usually dodgy, Hogan ,Sutherland wouldn't be out of place as henchmen in a Bond film
Plumbthedepths wrote: » What has fairness got to do with anything? The requirements for people coming here from a red list country is to restrict ones movements for 14 days regardless of a test. However if reports are true Hogan was out dining with friends at the K club the day he arrived, before he tested negative.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Phil Hogan isnt going anywhere.
Gregor Samsa wrote: » That's because he's been everywhere :pac:
jm08 wrote: » According to the Lisbon Treaty:B. Method of appointment The Treaty of Lisbon stipulates that the results of the European elections have to be taken into account when the European Council, after appropriate consultations (as set out in Declaration 11 on Article 17(6) and (7) TEU as an annex to the Treaty) and acting by a qualified majority, proposes the candidate for President of the Commission to Parliament. This candidate is elected by Parliament by a majority of its component members (Article 17(7) TEU). The Council of the European Union (hereinafter ‘the Council’), acting by a qualified majority and by common accord with the President-elect, adopts the list of the other persons whom it proposes for appointment as members of the Commission, on the basis of the suggestions made by Member States.The President and the other members of the Commission, including the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, are subject to a vote of consent, as a body, by Parliament and are then appointed by the European Council, acting by a qualified majority. Since the Treaty of Maastricht, a Commissioner’s term of office has matched the European Parliament’s five-year term and is renewable. C. Accountability 1. Personal accountability (Article 245 TFEU) Members of the Commission are required:To be completely independent in the performance of their duties, in the general interest of the Union; in particular, they may neither seek nor take instructions from any government or other external body; Not to engage in any other occupation, whether gainful or not. Commissioners may be compulsorily retired by the Court of Justice, at the request of the Council or of the Commission itself, if they breach any of the above obligations or have been guilty of serious misconduct (Article 247 TFEU). EU Commissioners are not answerable to EU Citizens.https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/25/the-european-commission
mick087 wrote: » No the unelected EU Commissioners are not answerable to EU Citizens. We the citzens do not have the power to remove them or take there powers away.
The Belly wrote: » Is that a good idea? They act in the interest of who exactly? Sounds a little bit like the ECB in the white heat of the financial crisis and that didnt go to well for us.
jm08 wrote: » The problem was Fingleton and lack of regulation by the Central Bank. There would be an awful lot of people in jail if by taking a loan (even if at special low rates) and repaying it is somehow unethical. If he wasn't repaying the money, then there would be a problem.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I'll remember to repost this quote, should you be wrong which I suspect maybe the case.
Zebra3 wrote: » And the problem was that top politicians were benefiting from this so allowed a financial disaster to happen because they were bought off by the personal benefits they received. That's a form of corruption.
First Up wrote: » And if you thought about it at all you would understand why. Commissioners are responsible for their portfolio across all member states, not just their own. If they are beholden to the electorate in only one country, they would be under pressure to - or open to being accused of - showing favour to that country. That could create friction between large and small member states that would undermine the whole EU concept. But you have already shown an absence of understanding of the EU concept so no surprise there.
mick087 wrote: You have still not told me why an eleite few should be slected rather than elected by its citizens. I have explained 2 possible ways but you have no argument why EU Citizens should have the power to elect and remove the Commissioners.
