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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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the_amazing_raisin

Deleted User wrote: »

I seriously doubt anyone buys a car with environmental reasons taken into consideration but I do think 23% VAT on an electric car is a joke along with out public charging infrastructure to bring this back on topic lol.

I was wondering how long this tangent would last

So anyway, Phil Hogan, should he have driven an EV?

MJohnston

Deleted User wrote: »

I seriously doubt anyone buys a car with environmental reasons taken into consideration but I do think 23% VAT on an electric car is a joke along with out public charging infrastructure to bring this back on topic lol.

I definitely bought my i3 with environmental reasons in mind, although there were plenty of other reasons too.

Why is regular VAT on an electric car a joke?

[Deleted User]

I seriously doubt anyone buys a car with environmental reasons taken into consideration but I do think 23% VAT on an electric car is a joke along with out public charging infrastructure to bring this back on topic lol.

liamog

MJohnston wrote: »

I just have this theory that Tesla owners are the least likely to have bought an EV because of the environmental benefits

I can confirm that 100% of the e-Up! owners in Ireland did not buy an EV for environmental benefits. We win!

ELM327

Tesla is my 3rd EV, but you're right, it's certainly not for the environmental benefits, couldnt give a crap about that, my benefit is always cost.

MJohnston

ELM327 wrote: »

Because I'm a knob (which is hardly a secret!) , or because you work with me?!

I just have this theory that Tesla owners are the least likely to have bought an EV because of the environmental benefits

ELM327

MJohnston wrote: »

You know how I know you're a Tesla owner

Because I'm a knob (which is hardly a secret!) , or because you work with me?!

MJohnston

ELM327 wrote: »

Grand, Eamonn, we'll all plant hanging baskets and cycle to work so.

You know how I know you're a Tesla owner

ELM327

MJohnston wrote: »

It's still a tiny percentage of the overall amount of people commuting in the GDA though. In fact, less than 3% of workers have to commute over 50km in the entire country.

Again, it gets congested because cars are an inefficient commuting method.

Grand, Eamonn, we'll all plant hanging baskets and cycle to work so.

MJohnston

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes it starts 30km or so out.

Most of the traffic is coming from further away than where it congests though.

It's still a tiny percentage of the overall amount of people commuting in the GDA though. In fact, less than 3% of workers have to commute over 50km in the entire country.

Again, it gets congested because cars are an inefficient commuting method.

ELM327

MJohnston wrote: »

Weird response—those roads definitely start a lot closer than 60km away from Dublin (also the congestion just points to the sheer inefficiency of private cars as a method of getting people into and out of a city).

Yes it starts 30km or so out.

Most of the traffic is coming from further away than where it congests though.

liamog wrote: »

That's exactly when variable speed limits work well. Of course it wouldn't work here, because they wouldn't enforce it, so the net effect would be increasing the difference in traffic speeds. Some people would try and weave around doing 120km/h.

Variable speed limits would be great. I'd prefer to be doing a constant 50 or 60 than 120-0-120

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

It wouldn't work here because you'd have to drive at 50 Km/hr from many miles away from Dublin, the volume is just too high, though as I said earlier, if the majority of people can keep working from home it should greatly relieve congestion.

Once again Irish exceptionalism raises it's head. Variable speed limits work by regulating the flow of traffic, overall capacity can be increased by reducing the speed to a steady 60km/h instead of the 40km/h to 80km/h ping pong that happens during congestion. We don't need an Irish solution to a common problem, when we can see it works in other jurisdictions.

I do agree with you on the training (and enforcement) for keeping left, 3 lane motorways are an absolute joke here.

MJohnston

It's always everybody else causing traffic :rolleyes:

I thought EV drivers would be more enlightened

[Deleted User]

liamog wrote: »

That's exactly when variable speed limits work well. Of course it wouldn't work here, because they wouldn't enforce it, so the net effect would be increasing the difference in traffic speeds. Some people would try and weave around doing 120km/h.

It wouldn't work here because you'd have to drive at 50 Km/hr from many miles away from Dublin, the volume is just too high, though as I said earlier, if the majority of people can keep working from home it should greatly relieve congestion.

If we made People drive in the left lane it would help a lot too, those who want to drive at 60-100 Km/hr on a motorway in the middle lane should be fined, it's beyond a joke. There should be mandatory training on Motorways, how to merge, i.e not at 60 Km/hr and how to keep to the left lane and use the middle and right lane to over take, ffs it's hard coming home as it is with much reduced traffic on the N7/M7 with People blocking the right hand lane at 80-100 Km/hr.

Then we have the People who want to text while driving, this really annoys me because I've had to sit in so many traffic jams on the N7 due to crashes, the last time being last Friday Evening a 3 car pileup and it's probably because of People glued to their mobiles.....

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

On the N7 and probably M50 the volume of traffic is bumper to bumper from the Big ball to Newlands cross and into the city, the volume of traffic is too high because most people have no other form of transport. Variable speed limits are useless for this level of traffic.

If this were to work then you'd need a 50 Km/hr limit from Carlow to Dublin, Newbridge etc.

Naas doesn't even have a rail link ffs.

That's exactly when variable speed limits work well. Of course it wouldn't work here, because they wouldn't enforce it, so the net effect would be increasing the difference in traffic speeds. Some people would try and weave around doing 120km/h.

[Deleted User]

On the N7 and probably M50 the volume of traffic is bumper to bumper from the Big ball to Newlands cross and into the city, the volume of traffic is too high because most people have no other form of transport. Variable speed limits are useless for this level of traffic.

If this were to work then you'd need a 50 Km/hr limit from Carlow to Dublin, Newbridge etc.

Naas doesn't even have a rail link ffs.

MJohnston

Weird response—those roads definitely start a lot closer than 60km away from Dublin (also the congestion just points to the sheer inefficiency of private cars as a method of getting people into and out of a city).

ELM327

Tell that to the chockablock M/N7, M/N3, M4,M11 etc into dublin every morning and out every evening.

MJohnston

ELM327 wrote: »

60km each way.

For the substantial population of the GDA that works in Dublin it's not unusual at all.

It's four times the 2016 national average commute distance, so I'd call it very unusual!

ELM327

MJohnston wrote: »

Ah yes, the old 120km commute that every sane person does...

60km each way.

For the substantial population of the GDA that works in Dublin it's not unusual at all.

MJohnston

Ah yes, the old 120km commute that every sane person does...

ELM327

Bikes and buses etc are irrelevant. You can't do any regular long trips , like my usual 120km round trip commute, without a car.
Like it or not, cars are here to stay.

Silent Running

markpb wrote: »

Are you blaming the Green Party who have only been in government for the last few weeks for our lack of long term infrastructure investment and housing policy? Even if they sat down today and agreed that we need all that, we still need short term measures to keep the existing infrastructure working. Variable speed limits are part of that.

Variable speed limits actually work.

I've quite a bit of experience with them on the M25 London circular motorway. They keep the flow going so there are no traffic waves (stop and go) and generally, this get's more vehicles through. It has it's limits of course. Any disruption, like a crash, and all bets are off.

[Deleted User]

markpb wrote: »

Are you blaming the Green Party who have only been in government for the last few weeks for our lack of long term infrastructure investment and housing policy? Even if they sat down today and agreed that we need all that, we still need short term measures to keep the existing infrastructure working. Variable speed limits are part of that.

Haha pro Government!

I'm blaming Government, simple as. Bu the Greens can take credit for hugely increasing Diesel cars causing much more pollution, pretty much anything they come up with is BS.

I've seen these variable speed limits in Germany and it didn't do much to reduce traffic queues.

Too much traffic on the main routes, not now of course and if a lot of People can work from home from now on that can only be a good thing for traffic and it's certainly good for me who actually has to drive.

If the Greens actually came up with something positive such highlighting the importance of correct tyre pressure which would account for much greater emissions reductions than slowing traffic down on Motorways.

Another good one, plant real forest.......

the_amazing_raisin

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure the fools want to bring down the motorway speed limit to help stop Climate Change you couldn't make the sh1t up if you tried.

Then I heard the other day they want to introduce what did they call it , multiple speed limits ? so lets say the N7 is 100 Km/hr they will probably reduce this to 60 km/hr at peak time and bring it up to 100 off peak but what they should do is leave it at 100 and bring it up to 120 off peak, the N7 is more than suitable for 120 Km/hr off peak or even the recent peak with a lot less traffic.

On the other motorways they should be increased to 140 Km/hr, a more sensible limit for roads that are half empty most of the time anyway.

The limit on the N7 should be brought down for safety reasons, it's like a Mad Max film at the best of times.

the_amazing_raisin

McGiver wrote: »

Didn't follow news for a while. What news? Are we all going to cycle? :cool:

Not that cycling is bad, I'm fully for cycling infrastructure and support but as an addition to a) removal of ICEs from the road and replacement by EVs and b) proper public transport. EVs must be part of the equation.

I'm all for cycling but I think there needs to be a bit of acceptance that bikes don't work for everyone.

Developing public transport is essential, especially in rural areas where it doesn't exist these days. I suspect you won't get many switching over from cars in the short term though as people are probably worried about catching covid

markpb

Deleted User wrote: »

No it’s just about more control they couldn’t give a sh1t about congestion if they did they’d provide proper public Infrastructure, create more jobs outside of Dublin and build sustainably and build proper high rise not poxy estates were 3 and 4 or more people are renting a room in a house.

Are you blaming the Green Party who have only been in government for the last few weeks for our lack of long term infrastructure investment and housing policy? Even if they sat down today and agreed that we need all that, we still need short term measures to keep the existing infrastructure working. Variable speed limits are part of that.

[Deleted User]

markpb wrote: »

You mean they want us follow well-researched, internationally used methods for managing congestion on busy roads? The fiends!

No it’s just about more control they couldn’t give a sh1t about congestion if they did they’d provide proper public Infrastructure, create more jobs outside of Dublin and build sustainably and build proper high rise not poxy estates were 3 and 4 or more people are renting a room in a house.

MJohnston

markpb wrote: »

You mean they want us follow well-researched, internationally used methods for managing congestion on busy roads? The fiends!

But it doesn't suit ME!

markpb

Deleted User wrote: »

Then I heard the other day they want to introduce what did they call it , multiple speed limits ? so lets say the N7 is 100 Km/hr they will probably reduce this to 60 km/hr at peak time and bring it up to 100 off peak but what they should do is leave it at 100 and bring it up to 120 off peak, the N7 is more than suitable for 120 Km/hr off peak or even the recent peak with a lot less traffic.

You mean they want us follow well-researched, internationally used methods for managing congestion on busy roads? The fiends!