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ESB eCars

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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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[Deleted User]

Sure the fools want to bring down the motorway speed limit to help stop Climate Change you couldn't make the sh1t up if you tried.

Then I heard the other day they want to introduce what did they call it , multiple speed limits ? so lets say the N7 is 100 Km/hr they will probably reduce this to 60 km/hr at peak time and bring it up to 100 off peak but what they should do is leave it at 100 and bring it up to 120 off peak, the N7 is more than suitable for 120 Km/hr off peak or even the recent peak with a lot less traffic.

On the other motorways they should be increased to 140 Km/hr, a more sensible limit for roads that are half empty most of the time anyway.

McGiver

Kramer wrote: »

Which government? Our government?
Have you seen the news recently?

We're doomed .

I can actually see Eamon getting us all back into diesels again, when he wakes up :pac:.

Didn't follow news for a while. What news? Are we all going to cycle? :cool:

Not that cycling is bad, I'm fully for cycling infrastructure and support but as an addition to a) removal of ICEs from the road and replacement by EVs and b) proper public transport. EVs must be part of the equation.

Orebro

Kramer wrote: »

Since I discovered I can park for free, once plugged in (confirmed somewhere when I asked about free parking in Bray), I usually take my PHEV now.

I changed the resistor in my Type 2 cable - that bitch now sits all day pulling just 500 watts & I can initiate my AC remotely using the app too, for when it gets nearly charged.
With the heating on at full blast & the windows "venting", it can easily burn off 2kWh, in no time.

......I may or may not be serious........I'm not sure........turning it down "to a trickle" is a contentious philosophy at the moment..... .

Stay classy Kramer.

the_amazing_raisin

Kramer wrote: »

Which government? Our government?
Have you seen the news recently?

We're doomed .

I can actually see Eamon getting us all back into diesels again, when he wakes up :pac:.

There's certainly a whole lot of nothing going on :rolleyes:

Apparently the Climate Action Bill is to be published in October just before the budget. Since the government has no money, I'm guessing it'll be severely watered down and just a load of "ambitions" and "goals"

ELM327

Kramer wrote: »

Since I discovered I can park for free, once plugged in (confirmed somewhere when I asked about free parking in Bray), I usually take my PHEV now.

I changed the resistor in my Type 2 cable - that bitch now sits all day pulling just 500 watts & I can initiate my AC remotely using the app too, for when it gets nearly charged.
With the heating on at full blast & the windows "venting", it can easily burn off 2kWh, in no time.

It's actually a better incentive than the measley 50% off tolls to be honest - prime city centre parking for many, many hours, five days a week is bloody expensive :eek:.
It'd be great if they put in more of those on street chargers alright, free parking for the win .

If anyone wants me to convert their Type 2 cables to avail of free or almost free city parking.............I've a box of resistors here.........just state your desired charge rate. Say 500 watts for a small battery PHEV, or 3kW for a Leaf etc.

......I may or may not be serious........I'm not sure........turning it down "to a trickle" is a contentious philosophy at the moment..... .

Parking is not free while charging in DCC

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

Applegreen and CircleK have both indicated that they want to enter the charging market and have complained to the government about how difficult it is to get ESB networks to hook them up.
I've not heard any rumours about Maxol yet.

True, but you have to wonder as to the nature of the difficulties. Are ESB dragging their heels or are the garages trying to negotiate a massive discount or waiting for government grants?

I feel there's a bit more to it than the ESB shrugging their shoulders and saying "don't wanna"

zg3409

Kramer wrote: »

avail of free or almost free city parking

Note if you don't pay for parking in Dublin city you will be clamped. In cork city its 4 hours Max free parking.

In Bray all day parking is around 3 euro on north seafront car park. Not much savings really.

In Bray once you stop charging you will get a ticket, I know you have that covered. You modified a 100 euro+ cable so it no longer effectively charges the car to avoid 3 euro? It seems more a challenge and idiotic than a great idea. Many cars can reduce charge rate, no soldering irons nor resistors needed. I don't see the need for free parking, particularly if it causes unnecessary parking at chargers which is a big issue at railway station car parks. There you just need to be plugged in for free parking, again typically saving 3 euro.

slave1

McGiver wrote: »

Ha ha ha, you think that's a mess? In fact there's only 2 operators in Ireland - Ecars and easyGo. And Ionity but that's only 4 sites. So let's say 2.5 operators.

There’s more, Chargepoint, Podpoint, Polar and Clenergy to start it off, very little by way of penetration though.
Don’t forget Tesla

Kramer

McGiver wrote: »

And yes the gov need to adopt legislation to make charger installation easy. That's Essential.

Which government? Our government?
Have you seen the news recently?

We're doomed

.

I can actually see Eamon getting us all back into diesels again, when he wakes up :pac:.

McGiver

liamog wrote:

Applegreen and CircleK have both indicated that they want to enter the charging market and have complained to the government about how difficult it is to get ESB networks to hook them up. I've not heard any rumours about Maxol yet.

Once that happens we'll have 4 operators. Until then only 2...

And yes the gov need to adopt legislation to make charger installation easy. That's Essential. Along with incentives for charger installation for all types of entities (public/government/local authority, private, business, cooperative). Aand also mandating them (for petrol stations - not done, malls - not done, car parks - not done, estates - done but badly, train/bus hubs - not done, government agencies - not done).

Kramer

Irishjg wrote: »

... and take up a charging space for the day while your at it. What a nice guy.

Are you thanking me for the tip or what?
You're welcome

Irishjg

... and take up a charging space for the day while your at it. What a nice guy.

Kramer

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

This is where enforcement needs to be on the ball, with perhaps increased fines for blocking what is a vital resource which is in short supply.

Since I discovered I can park for free, once plugged in (confirmed somewhere when I asked about free parking in Bray), I usually take my PHEV now.

I changed the resistor in my Type 2 cable - that bitch now sits all day pulling just 500 watts & I can initiate my AC remotely using the app too, for when it gets nearly charged.
With the heating on at full blast & the windows "venting", it can easily burn off 2kWh, in no time.

It's actually a better incentive than the measley 50% off tolls to be honest - prime city centre parking for many, many hours, five days a week is bloody expensive :eek:.
It'd be great if they put in more of those on street chargers alright, free parking for the win

.

If anyone wants me to convert their Type 2 cables to avail of free or almost free city parking.............I've a box of resistors here.........just state your desired charge rate. Say 500 watts for a small battery PHEV, or 3kW for a Leaf etc.

......I may or may not be serious........I'm not sure........turning it down "to a trickle" is a contentious philosophy at the moment..... .

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

Other countries with healthier markets (where private operators have easier entry) have several/many operators, that's a real mess...

Applegreen and CircleK have both indicated that they want to enter the charging market and have complained to the government about how difficult it is to get ESB networks to hook them up.
I've not heard any rumours about Maxol yet.

McGiver

Deleted User wrote:

Just make garage owners install chargers funded by the oil companies.

That's what Germany did I believe. Legal requirement for petrol stations to install chargers. Irish government could do it tomorrow as well. The question is why they don't.

I'd say either mandate it for 24/7 petrol stations or based on the revenue for starters. Obviously not practical to ask Murphy's garage somewhere in rural Cavan in the middle of nowhere to install chargers tomorrow.

Deleted User wrote:

There's more than 1 charger company now and more than one access method with charger locations on different apps etc it's all becoming a mess and a turn off.

Ha ha ha, you think that's a mess? In fact there's only 2 operators in Ireland - Ecars and easyGo. And Ionity but that's only 4 sites. So let's say 2.5 operators.

Other countries with healthier markets (where private operators have easier entry) have several/many operators, that's a real mess...

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Castlebellingham Northbound, Driving from Dublin to Belfast, this is the only eCars motorway services charger between Lusk and the border with Northern Ireland.... (75km) (the Southbound one is the same).

Would they not even install an AC22 here beside the triple head in the immediate short term (until they install a Warp Speed 150kW unit), so at least some folk could get something while waiting for the Triple head to become available....? (Especially now that Ionity are trying to price themselves out of the market)

Imagine arriving here, and a Leaf is using the Chademo (or Ioniq/eGolf/ID.3 using the CCS), and a Zoe is using the AC43...... At least with an AC22 you could get something while waiting, or better still, park up for an hour or more while going into the restaurants etc....

Yeah that's my main DC charger for heading North, gotten stuck waiting for another car about 50% of the time

ELM327

All those chargers are single point of failure, or screw you on the price (citynorth)

MJohnston

ELM327 wrote: »

Agree. another example of why you'd be mad to buy a non tesla EV

Meh, I've done this route a tonne (family up near Belfast) and I can do South Dublin to Belfast easily on a single charge.

If you can't do it on a single charge, there's fast chargers at Lusk, CityNorth, this one, Banbridge, Sprucefield, and Boucher Road.

There's plenty of places to get a charge, so that's not really the problem. Why I'd love to see a second charger at Castlebellingham Northbound is that it's one of the few of those locations that is great for a longer stop (perfect if you're travelling with a 4 year old) and it's ****e wasting that long stop on a place you can't charge.

copeyhagen

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

You'd be fairly pi$$ed off pulling in there in your €100k Porsche/Jaguar/Audi, and having to wait 45 minutes (or longer) to get a desperately needed charge, and while you were waiting, seeing 3-4 Teslas arriving/charging/leaving, with capacity for even more should more arrive in that time...

there was 4 teslas including myself using the superchargers, good to see.

AndyBoBandy

copeyhagen wrote: »

pulled in there the other day on the way home from carlingford. thank **** for the Tesla Superchargers.

You'd be fairly pi$$ed off pulling in there in your €100k Porsche/Jaguar/Audi, and having to wait 45 minutes (or longer) to get a desperately needed charge, and while you were waiting, seeing 3-4 Teslas arriving/charging/leaving, with capacity for even more should more arrive in that time...

AndyBoBandy

zg3409 wrote: »

they could install 22kW AC x 2 there tomorrow. They might need to upgrade the supply or buy a new unit specifically for that site, but it would at least give a backup option. They could take away one charger from a town with 3 or 4.

Even install one of the old AC22's they upgraded with the newer units, surely they have a load of them lying around now.. put them in these locations (like above), and start earning money from them.... Even if they only sold 100kW a week from an AC22, thats €1,352 per year!!

ELM327

copeyhagen wrote: »

pulled in there the other day on the way home from carlingford. thank **** for the Tesla Superchargers.

Agree. another example of why you'd be mad to buy a non tesla EV

zg3409

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Would they not even install an AC22 here beside the triple head

They removed perfectly good charging posts and replaced them with this pipe that says new charger coming soon. On many if them now they are heavily faded as they have been there for 2+ years. Yes they could install 22kW AC x 2 there tomorrow. They might need to upgrade the supply or buy a new unit specifically for that site, but it would at least give a backup option. They could take away one charger from a town with 3 or 4.

They should have did this the day they removed the old charger. Why not?! It shows the lack of real planning and knowledge and care for the network. It would cost relatively little. Hopefully another 50+kW charger will appear in next 5 to 10 years, but people said that 5 years ago.

MJohnston

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Castlebellingham Northbound, Driving from Dublin to Belfast, this is the only eCars motorway services charger between Lusk and the border with Northern Ireland.... (75km) (the Southbound one is the same).

Would they not even install an AC22 here beside the triple head in the immediate short term (until they install a Warp Speed 150kW unit), so at least some folk could get something while waiting for the Triple head to become available....? (Especially now that Ionity are trying to price themselves out of the market)

Imagine arriving here, and a Leaf is using the Chademo (or Ioniq using the CCS), and a Zoe is using the AC43...... At least with an AC22 you could get something while waiting, or better still, park up for an hour or more while going into the restaurants etc....

That charger is EXTREMELY flaky too (as is the Castlebellingham Southbound one). I have no idea why these are so neglected, I would have thought this would be a very busy route, but maybe not?

There's the Ionity at CityNorth too, but the facilities there are much, much smaller than the Applegreen stations.

copeyhagen

pulled in there the other day on the way home from carlingford. thank **** for the Tesla Superchargers.

ELM327

It's been "coming soon" since I had my leaf in 2016. Same as other spots like Navan.

AndyBoBandy

Castlebellingham Northbound, Driving from Dublin to Belfast, this is the only eCars motorway services charger between Lusk and the border with Northern Ireland.... (75km) (the Southbound one is the same).

Would they not even install an AC22 here beside the triple head in the immediate short term (until they install a Warp Speed 150kW unit), so at least some folk could get something while waiting for the Triple head to become available....? (Especially now that Ionity are trying to price themselves out of the market)

Imagine arriving here, and a Leaf is using the Chademo (or Ioniq/eGolf/ID.3 using the CCS), and a Zoe is using the AC43...... At least with an AC22 you could get something while waiting, or better still, park up for an hour or more while going into the restaurants etc....

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree. Maybe it's a charger model specific thing, but I've definitely seen chargers marked as unavailable when the car has finished a charge and not unplugged.

What about the instances where you see chargers on the app as unavailable and have been occupied for more than 24 hours. Are you saying that they're still taking a charge?

I've seen both things happen.
Same as some chargers you can unplug a car that's finished charging and others you cannot. Suspect the usual ecars hodge podge to blame

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

No, it shows as available if somoene is plugged in but not charging as they are finished. This has been an annoyance for some time.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Maybe it's a charger model specific thing, but I've definitely seen chargers marked as unavailable when the car has finished a charge and not unplugged.

What about the instances where you see chargers on the app as unavailable and have been occupied for more than 24 hours. Are you saying that they're still taking a charge?

kanuseeme

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

So they just plugged in, and either walked away without starting the charge, or for whatever reason the charge didn't start to begin with (for this reason, I always check that the charge has started before walking away).

This would explain what I saw in Bray 2 weeks ago (plugging in and not charging simply for the parking space) as parking was very much at a premium as it was a sunny day...

This is where enforcement needs to be on the ball, with perhaps increased fines for blocking what is a vital resource which is in short supply. (I can't imagine petrol stations would be too happy with you parking at one of their pumps and going to the beach for the day).

Indeed, not too happy at all, especially if you only put a couple of litres in and then leave.:D:D:D