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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Mav11

Markcheese wrote: »

Why the hell would they knock it in the middle of the night ?

Less traffic, much safer?

Markcheese

Why the hell would they knock it in the middle of the night ?

s1ippy

Would they ever stfu, it's like the siege of Ennis and I'm a fair ways from town.

marno21

s1ippy wrote: »

Is the Sextant still being destroyed or something? There's relentless crashing construction noises coming from town non-stop all evening, even now. It's fuçkin half one like.

Yes. I was there for a while and they still had a lot to go around 1am.

s1ippy

Is the Sextant still being destroyed or something? There's relentless crashing construction noises coming from town non-stop all evening, even now. It's fuçkin half one like.

cantalach

marno21 wrote: »

From ABP today:

Permission granted for 449 units (315 houses/134 apartments) at Maryborough Ridge by Glenveagh Properties

Way too big a development to put up there until there is clarity on badly needed infrastructural improvements, i.e. the M28 and the Southern Distributor route, esp. the part connecting Carr’s Hill with Donnybrook Hill. Douglas can’t take another 400 cars coming through the Fingerpost every morning and evening.

cantalach

ShamoBuc wrote: »

And to think there should be thousands milling around there tonight for Westlife.

But sure the Sextant had closed long before Covid entered our collective consciousness. .

ShamoBuc

Rhys Essien wrote: »

The Sextant bar is being demolished this evening according to Neil P.

And to think there should be thousands milling around there tonight for Westlife.

whisky_galore

kub wrote: »

That is great news, that this project is getting underway, the last I heard on it a few months ago was that it was all being paused.

The blandification of the city continues.

opus

The demolition of the former Square Deal is almost up to the front of the building.

marno21

Still no sign of any work on the new Carey Tools site out near the Kinsale Road Roundabout though.

Hopefully this isn’t just a case of demolishing the Sextant in order to prevent any stumbling blocks with future planning applications should this tower not go ahead.

kub

Rhys Essien wrote: »

The Sextant bar is being demolished this evening according to Neil P.

That is great news, that this project is getting underway, the last I heard on it a few months ago was that it was all being paused.

Rhys Essien

The Sextant bar is being demolished this evening according to Neil P.

marno21

Further information for the Custom House Tower was received on August 20th and a decision is due by October 14th.

per DylanG on skyscrapercity.

opus

who_me wrote: »

It still seems a little odd though, the bridge to/from French's Quay seems like a bit of a bridge to nowhere with the future of the Event Centre still uncertain.

Don't worry work will start on it any day now

After all it wasn't today or yesterday this happened!

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1600 days+

who_me

marno21 wrote: »

Arup awarded contract for civil engineering consultancy services for the infrastructure at the Brewery Quarter. 2 bridges, public realm works

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/159925/0/1?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Great news!

It still seems a little odd though, the bridge to/from French's Quay seems like a bit of a bridge to nowhere with the future of the Event Centre still uncertain.

marno21

Arup awarded contract for civil engineering consultancy services for the infrastructure at the Brewery Quarter. 2 bridges, public realm works

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/159925/0/1?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Markcheese

Are they knocking the old stone mill building then ?

marno21

From ABP today:

Permission granted for 449 units (315 houses/134 apartments) at Maryborough Ridge by Glenveagh Properties

Pre-application consultanion filed for 229 build to rent apartments on the site of the former Hewitt's Mills on the North City Link Road: http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/308001.htm

namloc1980

alanucc wrote: »

Do you have a source on Limerick? For the other two I think fairly reasonable explanations were given by the council

https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/news/statement-cork-county-council-flooding-bantry-and-bandon-bilingual
https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/news/statement-cork-county-council-skibbereen-flooding-bilingual

"Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it"

Personally I don't think that's anywhere near good enough. The people and businesses of Bandon and Skibbereen were promised flood relief and then a summer storm brings flooding anyway. Looks like the businesses without flood insurance will just have to accept the "reasonable explanations".

opus

For the first time in ages I was able to walk along Millerd St going to work this morning.

hans aus dtschl

Markcheese wrote: »

Yeah but just think how much money they spent ...

Largely not their fault ... Everyone wants all flooding fixed for ever (, and that ain't gonna happen , ) then there's a huge amount of political interference, and over engineering,
The same will probably happen in city

I'd broadly agree with you, there's no "silver bullet" for flooding, but big walls and complex arrangements with large numbers of valves and gates are less desirable than a tidal barrier as far as I'm concerned.

ScrubsfanChris

alanucc wrote: »

Do you have a source on Limerick? For the other two I think fairly reasonable explanations were given by the council

Not a big project like the others but still: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/opw-to-accept-full-liability-after-failed-river-defences-flooded-homes-and-gaa-club-38465219.html

In Bandon OPW admitted the pumps failed and they are investigating

Markcheese

cantalach wrote: »

OPW restoration of numerous historic structures = failed
OPW coastal erosion measures near Slea Head = failed
OPW management of Sceilg Mhichíl = failed

etc., etc., etc.

I suspect nothing encapsulates the concept of jobs-for-the-boys better than the OPW.

Yeah but just think how much money they spent ...

Largely not their fault ... Everyone wants all flooding fixed for ever (, and that ain't gonna happen , ) then there's a huge amount of political interference, and over engineering,
The same will probably happen in city

alanucc

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

OPW flood prevention for Limerick = Failed
OPW flood prevention for Skibbereen = Failed
OPW flood prevention for Bandon = Failed

Do you have a source on Limerick? For the other two I think fairly reasonable explanations were given by the council

https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/news/statement-cork-county-council-flooding-bantry-and-bandon-bilingual
https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/news/statement-cork-county-council-skibbereen-flooding-bilingual

"Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it"

cantalach

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

OPW flood prevention for Limerick = Failed
OPW flood prevention for Skibbereen = Failed
OPW flood prevention for Bandon = Failed

OPW flood prevention for Cork City = ?

OPW restoration of numerous historic structures = failed
OPW coastal erosion measures near Slea Head = failed
OPW management of Sceilg Mhichíl = failed

etc., etc., etc.

I suspect nothing encapsulates the concept of jobs-for-the-boys better than the OPW.

ScrubsfanChris

OPW flood prevention for Limerick = Failed
OPW flood prevention for Skibbereen = Failed
OPW flood prevention for Bandon = Failed

OPW flood prevention for Cork City = ?

WoolyJumper

Any word on the Prism? Thought I heard work was supposed to start back up this month but I passed there today and nothing is happening. Is it safe to assume this has been postponed indefinitely?

who_me

I really think I'd prefer a tidal barrier than in 'shrink wrapping' the city in walls. Cost doesn't mean much, if the cheaper option isn't effective.

Yes, a single failure will be costly either way, but I'd have far more faith in one big barrier being inspected and maintained; than every quayside wall, and every drain around the city centre. When it comes to flooding, it really is a "weakest link" scenario. It doesn't matter as much if the walls hold, if one drain inside the walls allows backflow and floods the interior (see Skibbereen's case).

whisky_galore

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Doesn't bode well for Cork City Flood Defence scheme. AKA building a concrete wall around the centre island. I still believe a tidal barrier is a viable (and more reliable) solution with far fewer negative impacts.

Doesn't suit the concrete built is better built lobby.
They made the River Bandon into a concrete storm drain and it still flooded.