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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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frag420

ELM327 wrote: »

He got a small loan and took advantage of bankruptcy laws. If he's still using that to avoid paying taxes that makes him smart.

I'm sure if it is legally required then he will have to publish.

Define small loan?

ELM327

frag420 wrote: »

Define small loan?

Trump has defined it as $1mn.
Which in the super rich circles he and his father run in, would likely be a small loan for business purposes.

Professor Moriarty

ELM327 wrote: »

He got a small loan and took advantage of bankruptcy laws. If he's still using that to avoid paying taxes that makes him smart.

A million dollars 50 years ago was a small loan? Yea, no. And you advocate that a POTUS using bankruptcy laws ad nauseam is admirable? Kinda sad.

His father gave him a shed load of money, went guarantor for a shed load more and bailed him out every time he failed. Trump's problem is that daddy isn't around anymore to bail him out so he's in deep financial sh1t. Because he has the business acumen of a lemming.

Timberrrrrrrr

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

To be honest, you can rebut Biker and Outlaw Pete and Kidmach all day long but the only thing Trump fans will understand is losing. All of the pro Trump / pro Brexit stuff ultimately revolves back to 'well we won and you can't take it'. So the only thing that will rebut it in the end is a) a decisive electoral victory supplanted by b) people taking to the streets after that electoral victory to make it clear in no uncertain terms that they expect the result to be honoured and implemented.

That's it. Win at all costs and all of these Trump voters and their disingenuous arguments will be gone for good.

I wish, the reality is it will be four years of whinging about how Trump was robbed and the election was "rigged". Four years of youtube video's full of "evidence" that the "deep state" rigged it for Trump to lose.

Professor Moriarty

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I wish, the reality is it will be four years of whinging about how Trump was robbed and the election was "rigged". Four years of youtube video's full of "evidence" that the "deep state" rigged it for Trump to lose.

Or militias storming various government buildings.

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

He is not required to do so.

No, but he said he would. In fact he said he'd do a lot of stuff, but so far none of those deliverables have been achieved. If you hired a builder to renovate your house on a 4 year fixed contract, and you're still waiting three and a half years later for them to complete the job they said they'd complete on their very first day, they'd be out on their ear, let alone get the next 4 year contract

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

Trump has defined it as $1mn.
Which in the super rich circles he and his father run in, would likely be a small loan for business purposes.

Indeed Trump did define it as little as that. However we've no way of verifying that have we? In fact, it's indicated by many sources that it's actually a lot lot bigger than that. And indeed Trump himself has been known to fluctuate certain assets, depending whom he's talking to, particularly pertinent in the current Tax fraud case. Not to mention his other constant, proveable lies.

So who to believe.....

Quin_Dub

ELM327 wrote: »

He is not required to do so.

Just as Obama was under no obligation to release his Birth Certificate , but Trump demanded that almost daily and claimed to have seen incontrovertible evidence that Obama was not born in the US.

Obama eventually made the information available just to shut everyone up and because it proved that what everyone was saying was rubbish.

Trump is likely heading for the Supreme court a second time to stop people seeing his Tax returns.

What is he so terrified of people seeing??

[Deleted User]

ELM327 wrote: »

He got a small loan and took advantage of bankruptcy laws. If he's still using that to avoid paying taxes that makes him smart.

I'm sure if it is legally required then he will have to publish.

You don't find it odd that he seems actively afraid of the public knowing the details?

Pedro K

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

He tried to bully Greta Thunberg, who was 16 at the time, because she won an award that he wanted.*

*And she absolutely destroyed him.

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't find it odd that he seems actively afraid of the public knowing the details?

Well - So far every single time that information that Trump tried to hide has become Public knowledge it was bad news for Trump.

There isn't a single example where Trump has refused to share information "Because he wasn't obliged to" that when it became public , it made Trump look good.

If his Tax returns confirmed his status as the Ultra Successful Billionaire he claims to be , Trump would be taking out full pages adverts in every newspaper showing the information. He is far too much of a Narcissist to hide a good news story.

Quin_Dub

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

Pedro K wrote: »

He tried to bully Greta Thunberg, who was 16 at the time, because she won an award that he wanted.*

*And she absolutely destroyed him.

He's also currently headed for the Supreme court to get permission to be able to block people that are being mean to him on Twitter

And he just started that court case last Thursday - THAT is what is occupying his mind as a thousand Americans a day are dying from a virus.

Strength of Character my arse , he is a spoiled petulant child.

ancapailldorcha

Quin_Dub wrote: »

He's also currently headed for the Supreme court to get permission to be able to block people that are being mean to him on Twitter

And he just started that court case last Thursday - THAT is what is occupying his mind as a thousand Americans a day are dying from a virus.

Strength of Character my arse , he is a spoiled petulant child.

Why is this a matter for the supreme court? Doesn't he only use his own account?

ohnonotgmail

duploelabs wrote: »

Indeed Trump did define it as little as that. However we've no way of verifying that have we? In fact, it's indicated by many sources that it's actually a lot lot bigger than that. And indeed Trump himself has been known to fluctuate certain assets, depending whom he's talking to, particularly pertinent in the current Tax fraud case. Not to mention his other constant, proveable lies.

So who to believe.....

how many million in chips did Trumps father buy with cash to stop one of trumps casinos going bankrupt?

ohnonotgmail

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why is this a matter for the supreme court? Doesn't he only use his own account?

his own account is considered an official government account as he uses it for official business. as such he is not allowed to block anybody

Carfacemandog

ELM327 wrote: »

Trump has defined it as $1mn.
Which in the super rich circles he and his father run in, would likely be a small loan for business purposes.

You're doing that thing again, where you take the man of 20,000 lies in 42 months at face value.

His claim of $1mn was (shock!) a complete lie. In 2018 money, Donald was given $140mn or $413mn by mommy and daddy, depending on how you want to look at it. Had he just put the lower $140mn amount into a S&P plan and left it, that alone would now be $1.97bn.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't find it odd that he seems actively afraid of the public knowing the details?

he is afraid because his tax returns would prove he has committed wire fraud.

ancapailldorcha

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

his own account is considered an official government account as he uses it for official business. as such he is not allowed to block anybody

So he's running crying to a figure of authority asking them to let him block the mean people on the internet. A rather pathetic look for an authoritarian strongman IMO.

Quin_Dub

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why is this a matter for the supreme court? Doesn't he only use his own account?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So he's running crying to a figure of authority asking them to let him block the mean people on the internet. A rather pathetic look for an authoritarian strongman IMO.

That's it in a nutshell basically.

He's in this position because just like every other part of his time in the White House , he continues to freely mix his personal and public activities without any concern for propriety or the normal rules.

ancapailldorcha

Quin_Dub wrote: »

That's it in a nutshell basically.

He's in this position because just like every other part of his time in the White House , he continues to freely mix his personal and public activities without any concern for propriety or the normal rules.

What did Trump and his acolytes think would happen when he made triggering people his shtick? What did they expect? I don't get this.

Quin_Dub

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What did Trump and his acolytes think would happen when he made triggering people his shtick? What did they expect? I don't get this.

What they expected and have always expected is that they will be allowed to do whatever they want without any negative implications.

He's the President after all and he has an article 2 don't you know!!!

Professor Moriarty

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What did Trump and his acolytes think would happen when he made triggering people his shtick? What did they expect? I don't get this.

He gave voice to latent conservative views and was a push back against liberal views. People who didn't agree with many politically correct views finally had a strongman who would espouse their opinions. Today, he's doubling down on those views and pushing polarisation. It's all he can do as he's losing the middle ground (such as it is). His best hope is to cement the loyalty of his base with even more extreme tweets and comments while painting Biden & Co as dangerous lefties. Throw in denigration of postal voting, making it difficult for Democrat-leaning voters to actually vote and promote the possibility of voter fraud. Aspersions, division and populism. It's all he has.

ancapailldorcha

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What they expected and have always expected is that they will be allowed to do whatever they want without any negative implications.

He's the President after all and he has an article 2 don't you know!!!

Silly me.

What's an Article 2?

ohnonotgmail

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Silly me.

What's an Article 2?

Article 2 of the constitution. it describes the job of the president.

jamule

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Article 2 of the constitution. it describes the job of the president.

Has anyone told Donny about this?

ancapailldorcha

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Article 2 of the constitution. it describes the job of the president.

I googled it but I didn't have time to read the Wiki properly.

Quin_Dub

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Silly me.

What's an Article 2?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Article 2 of the constitution. it describes the job of the president.

jamule wrote: »

Has anyone told Donny about this?

Article Two does indeed layout the role and powers vested in the Presidency..

Trump however took a slightly different view.

"I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president." – President Donald Trump, July 23, 2019

Outlaw Pete

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

He's a con man, a liar, a narcissist, a bigot

Funny, cause that's exactly how I'd describe Joe Biden, given that he has a proven history of trying to con people into seeing him as something he is not and never was. He's just using the same tactics now that he used when he ran for president the first time, saying what he knows people want to hear. That's all he has and all he'll ever have. The chap's been in politics for over 40 years and shown time and again that he is all talk.

Couple of examples of how easily this man will lie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1PuAbxTW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJMF7mflGE

duploelabs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Funny, cause that's exactly how I'd describe Joe Biden, given that he has a proven history of trying to con people into seeing him as something he is not and never was. He's just using the same tactics now that he used when he ran for president the first time, saying what he knows people want to hear. That's all he has and all he'll ever have. The chap's been in politics for over 40 years and shown time and again that he is all talk.

Couple of examples of how easily this man will lie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1PuAbxTW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJMF7mflGE

I really missed your whataboutisms while you're gone Pete

Leroy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Funny, cause that's exactly how I'd describe Joe Biden, given that he has a proven history of trying to con people into seeing him as something he is not and never was. He's just using the same tactics now that he used when he ran for president the first time, saying what he knows people want to hear. That's all he has and all he'll ever have. The chap's been in politics for over 40 years and shown time and again that he is all talk.

Couple of examples of how easily this man will lie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1PuAbxTW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJMF7mflGE

So in 40 years of politics, Biden has jumped positions and lied a few times.

In 4 years, Trump constantly changes position and has documented 20k+ lies.

You aren't trying to equate them are you?