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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

RyanthePirate

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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Mr. Karate

quintana76 wrote: »

If I lived in Balbriggan and was in a position to do so I would sell up in the near future. Property prices are going to plunge in the next couple of years.
The future is ghetto thanks to government policy. Not an issue in Dublin 4? Well! colour me shocked.

Yeah, Dublin's going to look like a war zone in a few year especially as more ethno states are created as more and more Irish flee these areas due to rising crime and violence. Ofcourse the rich areas will never get them. When one of the new Nationalist parties put up a banner in Varadkar's community claiming a direct provision centre was opening there you bet the majority of the outraged were at one point yelling "Let them In.", "Refugees Welcome" and all those other virtue signalling slogans.

We just saw it the other NBA players the other day. They were all set to shut down the season. Until they realized they would be cut 30% of their pay. They're all full of moral outrage. Until its their turn to sacrifice.

quintana76

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Someone's been drinking the Fake News aid. There is nothing wrong [or racist since you're too cowardly to say it] about merit based immigration. We should only be taking highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. Not ones that are going to drain our resources and then behave badly badly [like what's happening in Balbriggan]

If I lived in Balbriggan and was in a position to do so I would sell up in the near future. Property prices are going to plunge in the next couple of years.
The future is ghetto thanks to government policy. Not an issue in Dublin 4? Well! colour me shocked.

Yellow_Fern

Slowyourrole wrote: »

That really only shows how little you understand EU law.

You can't just say someone is ignorant of EU law without explaining your reasoning.

Slowyourrole

Wibbs wrote: »

Nope and they should be hammered by the full weight of the law and if possible sent back to Poland. Though being in the EU that might be difficult, as would be any restrictions on them entering. Not an issue with non EU residents and we're thankfully and finally doing so by refusing the vast majority from a few nations. Not all Black either in case you were hoping...

That really only shows how little you understand EU law.

Wibbs wrote: »

No, but it has come to be representative of young Irish people on extended holidays in Australia where they have quite the bad reputation. This nuance bit seems to escape you at times. An Aussie renting out a house for the summer is going to have a very different view of a group of 10 Irish people in their early twenties as tenants compared to a Irish family of 5. "Prejudiced"? Yep, but generally a wiser approach.

So you don't have a problem with that kind of wide brush stroke?

Wibbs

Slowyourrole wrote: »

What makes you think people Eastern European backgrounds aren't involved in gangs? Do you just assume all white teenagers are Irish? There's a major Eastern European gang involved in heroin and people trafficking in the country. They were behind an acid attack on a Garda two years ago. Do they get a pass from you because they are not one of "the blacks"?

Nope and they should be hammered by the full weight of the law and if possible sent back to Poland. Though being in the EU that might be difficult, as would be any restrictions on them entering. Not an issue with non EU residents and we're thankfully and finally doing so by refusing the vast majority from a few nations. Not all Black either in case you were hoping...

So when you see a video of a drunk Irish person in Australia you think that is representative of Irish people in general?

No, but it has come to be representative of young Irish people on extended holidays in Australia where they have quite the bad reputation. This nuance bit seems to escape you at times. An Aussie renting out a house for the summer is going to have a very different view of a group of 10 Irish people in their early twenties as tenants compared to a Irish family of 5. "Prejudiced"? Yep, but generally a wiser approach.

Slowyourrole

kildare lad wrote: »

Well if that's the case, how come you don't see , Asian , polish or other eastern European, Chinese teenagers running amok all over Dublin , it's just blacks doing it . Can you answer me that?

What makes you think people Eastern European backgrounds aren't involved in gangs? Do you just assume all white teenagers are Irish? There's a major Eastern European gang involved in heroin and people trafficking in the country. They were behind an acid attack on a Garda two years ago. Do they get a pass from you because they are not one of "the blacks"?

Bobblehats wrote: »

I remember there were no Irish gangs

No you don't.

1 sheep2 wrote: »

I'm not necessarily endorsing whatever the person you were responding to was saying, but I think videos such as those you mention do reflect on Irish society. When I hear that Irish people are causing trouble in Australia, I don't dismiss it by saying the majority of Irish don't behave that way.

So when you see a video of a drunk Irish person in Australia you think that is representative of Irish people in general?

Mr. Karate

flazio wrote: »

What I'd like to know is. If the nationalists win out, if Ireland stopped being an attractive immigration target. What would life in Ireland really be like for those of us left here? Would travellers take up the low skill/pay jobs in order to justify their existence? Would the points requirement and pass rates in medicine study have to be lowered or nurses given more responsibilities because all the Pakistani doctors would have left and need to be replaced?
What seriously would a White Irish only society look like? "The Rare Auld Times"? I highly doubt it.

Someone's been drinking the Fake News aid. There is nothing wrong [or racist since you're too cowardly to say it] about merit based immigration. We should only be taking highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. Not ones that are going to drain our resources and then behave badly badly [like what's happening in Balbriggan]

Mr. Karate

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Migrants can be deported following their crimes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658883/France-vows-deport-family-Muslim-girl-beaten-dating-Christian.html

When they actually start deporting them back to their Country of origin I'll give them credit. So far the French's solution is to dump them on other EU countries [most notably Britain]

AllForIt

Arthur Daley wrote: »

It's never about taking personal responsibility whether you are 32, 22 or 10. It's always someone else didn't provide me with enough sports grounds or some outside bogeyman influences me.

We're sick and tired of listening to excuses and dictates. Life is a struggle, we're all out of sympathy, we've done more than enough, and have other issues to deal with.

I'm would have loved to have access to sports facilities, one's I'm interested in, when I was a teenager.

The number of sports facilitates I had access to, one's that I was interested in, was exactly ZERO.

But I never thought to go moaning about it or going into criminality, because I know it had something to do with where I was born, who I was born to, the social demographic I come from, the wealth of my parents etc. Life circumstances, just life actually.

When the London Knife crime epidemic was at it's height before the lockdown, politicians were excusing this behaviour for lack of 'youth clubs'. Give me strength. Youngsters are murdering people because there were no youth clubs available to them. I've heard it all now.

Biased politicians/pundits are causing all this nonsense. I actually don't blame the criminals, or the foreigners, it's biased political's that are getting everyone's backs up, thus the likelihood we might all get together to try and sort out these problems if virtually nil as it stands.

Saying people are 'advantaged' and that's why they are not complete scumbags is a sure fire way no problems can ever be sorted.

cj maxx

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Migrants can be deported following their crimes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658883/France-vows-deport-family-Muslim-girl-beaten-dating-Christian.html

It will never happen, unfortunately. Those animals, and that doing a disservice to animals, should be fücked out .

Arthur Daley

Migrants can be deported following their crimes.

French interior minister vows to deport family of Muslim girl, 17, who 'beat her and shaved her head for dating a Christian' because 'they have no reason to be on our soil'
17-year-old Bosnian Muslim girl was beaten and had her head shaved in France
Her parents, aunt and uncle allegedly attacked her for dating a Christian man
Gerald Darmanin, French interior minister, has vowed to deport the girl's family
'They will be taken back... because they have no reason to be on our soil,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658883/France-vows-deport-family-Muslim-girl-beaten-dating-Christian.html

biko

Look, I admire the left's enthusiasm as much as the next guy, but we don't really have time for them to grow up and come around.
The harm they cause now will be harder to undo 20 years down the line.

Eric Cartman

Cordell wrote: »

That's a pretty grim and more importantly inaccurate view most of the issues discussed here. No one want to send the Pakistani doctors home just because they are not white, the discussion is around having people here that don't respect the western values and don't integrate.

its a standard pattern

right : get rid of the illegal immigrants and close the borders to unskilled migrants
left : you just don't like brown people
right : there are white migrants who detract too
left : look he wants to get rid of all the doctors and nurses
right : no, just the ones who detract
left : but what about the food
right : but what about the rape gangs
left : its just racism

[Deleted User]

flazio wrote: »

What I'd like to know is. If the nationalists win out, if Ireland stopped being an attractive immigration target.

That's assuming that Ireland would stop being attractive as a destination. It's still one of the easiest ways to gain entry into Europe.

What would life in Ireland really be like for those of us left here?

Probably the same, just with a much higher tax burden, and lesser quality services.

Would travellers take up the low skill/pay jobs in order to justify their existence?

Unlikely, because they don't need to justify their existence. They're a protected ethnic minority.

Would the points requirement and pass rates in medicine study have to be lowered or nurses given more responsibilities because all the Pakistani doctors would have left and need to be replaced?

I don't see the connection. Plenty of Irish people currently study/graduate from medicine programs recognized around the world.

What seriously would a White Irish only society look like? "The Rare Auld Times"? I highly doubt it.

Again with the extremes. Very very few people are advocating for such a thing, and they're easily pushed into the background as far right, because that's essentially what they are. Nutjobs with romantic delusions of a world that cannot exist.

Every nation has some migration. Even North Korea has foreigners living within its borders. People really need to get a grip, and stop jumping to extremes.

Yellow_Fern

flazio wrote: »

What I'd like to know is. If the nationalists win out, if Ireland stopped being an attractive immigration target. What would life in Ireland really be like for those of us left here? Would travellers take up the low skill/pay jobs in order to justify their existence? Would the points requirement and pass rates in medicine study have to be lowered or nurses given more responsibilities because all the Pakistani doctors would have left and need to be replaced?
What seriously would a White Irish only society look like? "The Rare Auld Times"? I highly doubt it.

Being nationalist has nothing to do with impractical and unreasonable notions of white only society. People just want to make reduce the numbers of new people a bit, not force anyone out.

Cordell

That's a pretty grim and more importantly inaccurate view most of the issues discussed here. No one want to send the Pakistani doctors home just because they are not white, the discussion is around having people here that don't respect the western values and don't integrate.

flazio

What I'd like to know is. If the nationalists win out, if Ireland stopped being an attractive immigration target. What would life in Ireland really be like for those of us left here? Would travellers take up the low skill/pay jobs in order to justify their existence? Would the points requirement and pass rates in medicine study have to be lowered or nurses given more responsibilities because all the Pakistani doctors would have left and need to be replaced?
What seriously would a White Irish only society look like? "The Rare Auld Times"? I highly doubt it.

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

the whole BLM crap has generated a lot of people criticizing the Gardai for everything under the sun, so, it's natural that they would hesitate about jumping into a racial quagmire.

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There was an article during the BLM nonsense, I think it was in the Irish Times, that was actually disgusting. It essentially said just because there's no proof that the Gardai are racist, it doesn't meant that they aren't. As usual with these zealots, they wanted to make people guilty without evidence. These people are seriously dragging us back to the dark ages under the guise of progress ironically.

Arthur Daley

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/asylum-industry-companies-behind-the-direct-provision-system-1.2030500

You can never underestimate the role of the Gombeen in shaping Ireland's history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombeen_man

Kivaro

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A sense of abandonment almost but he said to me there could well be reluctance in guarda management to effectively deal with what has become an inconveniet embarrassing problem.

Abandonment is what's happening to many communities around Ireland after the Government moved large numbers of Africans into these areas. I don't know if the authorities originally believed that by giving them generous welfare payments, free housing, and numerous "entitlements" (which is the envy to most countries in the world), that there would be a different outcome to what has occurred in other African enclaves all around Europe.

Is the abandonment of Irish communities, whose residents have to fend for themselves or flee the homes that they've had possibly for generations, worth the virtue of changing the colour of Irish citizens? If the gangs and criminality and welfare cost of these new citizens is the net result of this multiculturalism experiment, then it has failed dramatically ..... like it has failed in every single country where it was forced upon its residents.

[Deleted User]

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A sense of abandonment almost but he said to me there could well be reluctance in guarda management to effectively deal with what has become an inconveniet embarrassing problem.

I'd say that the Gardai are holding back because they've got no political support. Think of the last few years, and the number of complaints made about police brutality, corruption, etc. It seems like every time I return to Ireland, the Gardai are in the media again for some kind of misconduct, although, often when I look into the matter, I don't generally see what the fuss is about.

The point is that people expect the Gardai to step in, but then, the Gardai get lambasted for doing anything even remotely unacceptable to whatever group. I've seen very little community support for the Gardai, in my own area, although I think they've done a stellar job dealing with the local Traveller issues.

I find that there's a lot of people expecting the Gardai to step up, but are remarkably quiet when it comes to defending the Gardai for stepping up. Basically, the Gardai need the support of both the community and the politicians, but they're not going to get it. Added to this, the whole BLM crap has generated a lot of people criticizing the Gardai for everything under the sun, so, it's natural that they would hesitate about jumping into a racial quagmire.

Honestly, I doubt that the Gardai will do much without vocal support from politicians. So, people should be bitching to the politicians about making very public statements of support for the Gardai, encouraging them to treat migrants and others equally for breaking the law.

[Deleted User]

Arthur Daley wrote: »

It's never about taking personal responsibility whether you are 32, 22 or 10. It's always someone else didn't provide me with enough sports grounds or some outside bogeyman influences me.

We're sick and tired of listening to excuses and dictates. Life is a struggle, we're all out of sympathy, we've done more than enough, and have other issues to deal with.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that everyone should be responsible for their own lives and, perhaps, more importantly, their choices in life. There are too many excuses being bandied around these days to avoid taking responsibility for the errors in judgment, or mistakes that people have done.

However,

, society does factor into all of this. We live in a nation, which (usually) has a government, and rules by which we are supposed to follow. And for the most part, people do abide by those rules, because they believe that by being part of the nation their lives will improve. There is a bond between the State, Society and people.

The thing is that over the last thirty years, Ireland has become far more regulated than it ever was before. Sure, the 50s of Ireland was quite controlled for how people could behave, but for the most part, these were unspoken cultural boundaries by which people lived by, for various reasons. Now, we have far more laws, and regulations to 'guide' people regarding their behavior, and while some people manage to skip past these rules, most of us have to live with them. (Nanny State)

The point I'm (probably) failing to make clear is that some responsibility for the state of our society rests with society itself. The points I made earlier regarding parenting reflect this. Or any number of other points I've made over the last three pages. Society has it's own responsibility to provide an effective environment for us to develop within, because society and the State have decided to step in with all those laws to regulate our behavior. Which is why I keep pointing at society to deal with the problems we have with feral youths, or migrant issues.

Personal responsibility should be a given. Alas, we do live in a society where people are very quick to pass that responsibility on to external factors. Just as there's a sense of entitlement about what people should have or experience in their lives.

TheBlackPill

the best model is multiracial but monocultural. We all should subscribe to the same values and those that don't, leave

Bobblehats

olestoepoke wrote: »

so what do you suggest? We accept everyone and anyone from countries that aren't nice to live in? The island is not big enough.

And even if it was, it’s still not big enough. If you git what i’m sayin’

Beechwoodspark

Had a conversation earlier with someone i have a professional relationship with, who is a long time balbriggan resident and indeed runs business there.

He told me a number of things which I don’t want to put up here as I personally can’t provide proof although I would believe him 100%

Just to say a few more general things

- balbriggan was and is a great town with a great community. But there is huge anger among locals regarding how their once fantastic town has evolved

-huge anger and disillusionment with local councilors and TDs in general

-a feeling that their absolutely legitimate concerns have been dismissed or else falsly labelled ignorant racism by NGOs who have no knowledge of the situation

-a clear agenda by some politicians to bury the problems -head in the sand approach is how he put it.

-the guards have not exactly covered themselves in glory either.

A sense of abandonment almost but he said to me there could well be reluctance in guarda management to effectively deal with what has become an inconveniet embarrassing problem.

olestoepoke

enricoh wrote: »

Here's a case oleospoke where the cops interviened outside the cop shop, n got a beating for their trouble. Someone even tried to get the detectives gun.
Not much mention of it in the media unsurprisingly
The problem is there is always 20 or 30 of them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/two-cleared-over-gang-attack-on-garda-detectives-outside-station-1012125.html

A scary situation for Garda and even worse for the many good families of all ethnicities that live there. The mainstream media are very careful when reporting this, never a mention of African gangs.

enricoh

Here's a case oleospoke where the cops interviened outside the cop shop, n got a beating for their trouble. Someone even tried to get the detectives gun.
Not much mention of it in the media unsurprisingly
The problem is there is always 20 or 30 of them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/two-cleared-over-gang-attack-on-garda-detectives-outside-station-1012125.html

olestoepoke

Slowyourrole wrote: »

would you live in any of those places? Would you happy with the rights you had if you did?

so what do you suggest? We accept everyone and anyone from countries that aren't nice to live in? The island is not big enough.

olestoepoke

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What exactly has failed in Balbriggan?
I don’t know the area.
Was there a political decision made to house a lot of African immigrants in one small housing development presumably with little effort to provide safe places to socialise in a civilised manner.

For example are there green areas to play ball games, youth clubs to hang out in supervised groups, activities to keep teens on the right path to being an adult that will contribute to society.

Also, are these issues solely about teenagers or are there adult gangs involved?
And where is the influence coming from to set up gangs, is it the media or is there a presence from gangs from other countries?

I live in Balbriggan. The towns proximity to mosney direct provision centre was a factor in the over population of African immigrants. Also, residents in Balbriggan were not required to sign on for social welfare payments as often as other parts of the community. The majority of the trouble is in and around the Dunnes stores area of the town which is a suburb of the Main Street. A lot of houses are rented in this area and it has a high concentration of "new Irish" mostly from Africa.
Regarding integration, Balbriggan is a great town for sports and clubs. There is numerous recreational facilities and parks. Some African families do take part in soccer and GAA but compared to how many live here they aren't well represented. A recent video appeared of African youths fighting near Dunnes where a 19 year old was stabbed. The video went on for about 10 minutes or longer and no sign of the Garda. The Garda station is about a one minute drive from this location. I personally think the Garda are afraid to intervene.

Yellow_Fern

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What exactly has failed in Balbriggan?
I don’t know the area.
Was there a political decision made to house a lot of African immigrants in one small housing development presumably with little effort to provide safe places to socialise in a civilised manner.

For example are there green areas to play ball games, youth clubs to hang out in supervised groups, activities to keep teens on the right path to being an adult that will contribute to society.

Also, are these issues solely about teenagers or are there adult gangs involved?
And where is the influence coming from to set up gangs, is it the media or is there a presence from gangs from other countries?

I dont know a lot about Balbriggan but if you look at African-Irish performance in national metrics like prison figures, unemployment, and school test scores, you have serious lagging behind and I find that very worrying. That doesnt mean they do worse than Travellers etc or what everyother group but it is still worrying.