ec18 wrote: » Completely true, however having a trade commissioner that understands the history and complexities of the border would be an advantage for ireland over say the trade commissioner being from southern europe
expectationlost wrote: » im just pointing out that the laws and guidelines had been places for many weeks at that stage
ec18 wrote: » no he doesn't, he went to a golf dinner. It no way impacts how good he is at his job or his competence in doing it. This is getting ridiculous people resigning for mistakes that aren't related to their portfolios........everyone needs to get a grip it was stupid to do but no one in the country is fully obeying the restrictions.
Phoebas wrote: » Anyone who doesn't understand this, doesn't understand it on purpose.
Ger Roe wrote: » God help us, if that is the case. He recently tried to get out of the job himself, by attempting to apply for a different post in the EU. .
Psychiatric Patrick wrote: » Many many are obeying the full restrictions. I know I have so don't be transferring the fact you have not onto others.
Phoebas wrote: » If you really think it's of no benefit to Ireland, you wouldn't object if having a Commissioner was to be taken off Ireland permanently?
Psychiatric Patrick wrote: » And Covid doesn't care. The restrictions are being created because the are believed necessary. That means anyone with a brain should act on those restrictions immediately and not try get away with it for as long as the can.
Del Boy wrote: » It's an advantage to Ireland in Europe if Phil stays in place.
titan18 wrote: » I'd agree it's nonsense if so. I mean, i don't see why it'd be too hard for Government to get updates out quicker. Like, if they decide it on a Tuesday, either at worst wait until the Wednesday morning to announce to get all your ducks in a row, or do the thing they were doing previously by announcing and going in effect from this date.
Del Boy wrote: » It's an advantage to Ireland in Europe if Phil stays in place. Even though he should step aside.
joseywhales wrote: » If they do not believe in the restrictions then they should have come out and said so before breaking them. I would say having principles and moral strength is a competency of someone who wishes to be a public representative. Not having those competencies makes them less trustworthy and less influential when making agreements with other groups. By either implicitly accepting the restrictions or the authority that implemented them and then breaking them, they have shown us that they are untrustworthy. A person of principle would have explicitly rejected the restrictions if that was their position. Even more laughably, one of the offenders was on the cabinet that contrived the restrictions. His position was obviously untenable.
Gerry Hatrick wrote: » I ask again, why is it an advantage? His loyalty is to Europe not to Ireland.
ec18 wrote: » Congratulations, many many are and don't assume you are the exception to the statement, there are too many clarifications and scenarios for anyone to fully comply.
ec18 wrote: » Dara needed to resign, hogan's not part of the government and in his defence if you received an invitation to an even organised by a govt society you would assume it was compliant.....all this calling for resignations is to make someone in the SF twitterverse feeling better. There was a lot less noise on social media around the bobby storey funeral debacle. wonder why
Psychiatric Patrick wrote: » No there isn't and they've all been simple to understand. Again stop transferring the fact you didn't bother to try on to others.
titan18 wrote: » I mean if there's a general timeline that when restrictions are announced, they come into force a few days later for hotels after documentation is updated and issued as they're claiming to be, then it's fair to say they weren't trying to get away with it (partition ****e for that particular hotel not withstanding). To me, it looks like another fudge by the government that either they agreed this with hotels previously, and trying to row back now and say guidelines were to be implemented immediately based off the few minutes Martin speaks on it.
Psychiatric Patrick wrote: » I think you are missing what I'm saying. The restrictions are created and updated to contain a virus. Do these hotel owners and other people not understand that while they delay in acting they allow the virus to spread? The government makes an announcement and you get your own "ducks in a row" while waiting on official documents.
ec18 wrote: » I repeat, having a trade commissioner that understands the history and complexities of the border would be an advantage for ireland over say the trade commissioner being from southern europe
ec18 wrote: » never assume, I have 99% of them.....I'm done arguing with St Patrick the patron saint of Covid restrictions.. the thread is about should phil resign and i don't think there's any grounds for him to resign based on some people getting their knickers in a twist over it
RandomViewer wrote: » 2 months ago and it was smaller than the Garda Horkan funeral, if we are using the big brush most of the cabinet will be down the dole office along with Mary Lou.
First Up wrote: » There's a bigger picture here, not that many contributors here are interested. The EU Trade Commissioner has a pivotal role and Ireland stands to gain - or lose - more than most from the terms eventually agreed with the UK. We are exceptionally fortunate that an Irishman was given the job. If Hogan goes, his replacement won't be from around here. Hogan brought this on himself and deserves censure. But while enjoying his discomfort, mind you don't cut your own noses off.
