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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Fratton Fred

To avoid derailing other SCD threads, I thought I'd add a Dun Laoghaire thread.

My main query, is does anyone know what is going on outside the train station? It looks like they are putting a crossing in twenty metres from the crossroads. Surely not?

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pm1977x

Rasam if you fancy an upmarket Indian, Delhi Rasoi if you fancy a decent but slightly cheaper one.

Cyrus

pm1977x wrote: »

Rasam if you fancy an upmarket Indian, Delhi Rasoi if you fancy a decent but slightly cheaper one.

Rasam is a great shout

Chinasea

Delhi Rasoi is fab. Best samosas ever, ever.

ted1

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

Haddington/Oliveto, Hartleys and Casper Giumbinis. And the Sunday market. Sorted.

Exactly what I was going to recommend.

[Deleted User]

64 wines is hard to beat for a well balanced meal.

Which to me means two bottles of red wine and a meat platter.

Gareth Keenan

We ate in Odell's in Sandycove last night. Comfortably the best meal I've had in a long time.

Mav11

I see that DLRCC has been allocated an additional €9m for cycling and walking infrastructure. To be completed by end November.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cycling-walking-funding-nta-5182821-Aug2020/

coylemj

Mav11 wrote: »

I see that DLRCC has been allocated an additional €9m for cycling and walking infrastructure. To be completed by end November.

I wonder have they started spending that on the inbound N11 between Fosters Ave. and UCD? There's already a cycle lane there. And a monitor with an LED counter to show the cynics that it's being used.

But now there's roadworks going on in the inside lane, was on the 46A yesterday and we had to drive around them.

caviardreams

coylemj wrote: »

I wonder have they started spending that on the inbound N11 between Fosters Ave. and UCD? There's already a cycle lane there. And a monitor with an LED counter to show the cynics that it's being used.

But now there's roadworks going on in the inside lane, was on the 46A yesterday and we had to drive around them.

I think the plan is for that section to be two-way (could be wrong!)

Seaswimmer

coylemj wrote: »

I wonder have they started spending that on the inbound N11 between Fosters Ave. and UCD? There's already a cycle lane there. And a monitor with an LED counter to show the cynics that it's being used.

But now there's roadworks going on in the inside lane, was on the 46A yesterday and we had to drive around them.

There is a very poor cycle path there. Not a lane. Brings pedestrians and cyclists into conflict at bus stops so a segregated lane would be a big improvement.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3054601,-6.2113689,3a,75y,261.41h,90.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smnG6LBczboWAw9Xm4bJ0rA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Glencarraig

They need to spend some of that on the Leopardstown Road cycle rollercoaster, it's in a woeful state and cyclists wont use it.

Larbre34

Glencarraig wrote: »

They need to spend some of that on the Leopardstown Road cycle rollercoaster, it's in a woeful state and cyclists wont use it.

At the time that road was rebuilt in the mid-90s, a number of well resourced residents banded together and went to court to preserve certain large trees on private property rather than have them removed for the road widening scheme. Essentially a very expensive bespoke cocoon was built around the root systems at certain points, where the corridor of the new road was at the absolute minimum and so the cycle path out of necessity was raised up and over these. There is no way of levelling them now.

Glencarraig

Larbre34 wrote: »

At the time that road was rebuilt in the mid-90s, a number of well resourced residents banded together and went to court to preserve certain large trees on private property rather than have them removed for the road widening scheme. Essentially a very expensive bespoke cocoon was built around the root systems at certain points, where the corridor of the new road was at the absolute minimum and so the cycle path out of necessity was raised up and over these. There is no way of levelling them now.

Its not just "the hump" as it's known locally, the whole section from Whites Cross to Laura Lynn on both sides needs looking at.

Mav11

coylemj wrote: »

I wonder have they started spending that on the inbound N11 between Fosters Ave. and UCD? There's already a cycle lane there. And a monitor with an LED counter to show the cynics that it's being used.

But now there's roadworks going on in the inside lane, was on the 46A yesterday and we had to drive around them.

The surface on that section was in rag order and the layout poor. It needed upgrading.

ted1

coylemj wrote: »

I wonder have they started spending that on the inbound N11 between Fosters Ave. and UCD? There's already a cycle lane there. And a monitor with an LED counter to show the cynics that it's being used.

But now there's roadworks going on in the inside lane, was on the 46A yesterday and we had to drive around them.

You know UCD is the largest campus in .Ireland. And the existing cycle lane is piss poor.

Providing a decent cycle lane will reduce traffic on the N11

rubadub

Glencarraig wrote: »

Its not just "the hump" as it's known locally, the whole section from Whites Cross to Laura Lynn on both sides needs looking at.

Yeah, the hump does not bother me much, it would be nice if on the exit of it the cycle lane ran right onto the next road, instead you are meant to turn and cross with pedestrians, many people will just hop off the path and up on the next. I wonder if there was ever an accident there.

Then many of the driveways have very sharp dips and so pedestrians tend to walk on the cycletrack so many speedier cyclists just stick to the road. Many also do this so they can pass along the Torquay road junction without having to stop with pedestrians as before.

The various traffic poles and electrical box opposite Torquay road are also an accident waiting to happen. The traffic lights could have been nearer to the kerb, or ideally be mounted to the electrical poles or have new poles against the wall
https://goo.gl/maps/aUagoymj5i277q2P7

Cyrus

If there are dedicated cycle paths should cyclists be confined to them rather than choosing to use them or the road ?

I know at present they aren’t but if we move to a phase of building more infrastructure something like that would make sense I think .

ted1

Cyrus wrote: »

If there are dedicated cycle paths should cyclists be confined to them rather than choosing to use them or the road ?

I know at present they aren’t but if we move to a phase of building more infrastructure something like that would make sense I think .

No.

JayRoc

Cyrus wrote: »

If there are dedicated cycle paths should cyclists be confined to them rather than choosing to use them or the road ?

I know at present they aren’t but if we move to a phase of building more infrastructure something like that would make sense I think .

That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask, especially if you are a non-cyclist.

The question I always ask in response is "why do you think a cyclist might choose to use the road rather than a particular cycle path/lane?"

wowy

coylemj wrote: »

I wonder have they started spending that on the inbound N11 between Fosters Ave. and UCD? There's already a cycle lane there. And a monitor with an LED counter to show the cynics that it's being used.

But now there's roadworks going on in the inside lane, was on the 46A yesterday and we had to drive around them.

Those works were planned prior to Covid. UCD are putting a new pedestrian and cyclist entrance by the pedestrian bridge so DLRCC taking the opportunity to improve the cycle lane between the Rise and that bridge.

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/news/general-news-public-notices/works-commence-stillorgan-road-cycle-scheme

JayRoc

rubadub wrote: »

Yeah, the hump does not bother me much, it would be nice if on the exit of it the cycle lane ran right onto the next road, instead you are meant to turn and cross with pedestrians, many people will just hop off the path and up on the next. I wonder if there was ever an accident there.

Then many of the driveways have very sharp dips and so pedestrians tend to walk on the cycletrack so many speedier cyclists just stick to the road. Many also do this so they can pass along the Torquay road junction without having to stop with pedestrians as before.

The various traffic poles and electrical box opposite Torquay road are also an accident waiting to happen. The traffic lights could have been nearer to the kerb, or ideally be mounted to the electrical poles or have new poles against the wall
https://goo.gl/maps/aUagoymj5i277q2P7

I haven't used that cycle track for years. I simply stay on the road. It's a great example of lip-service infrastructure designed by someone who will never use it.

Hopefully the quality of the most recent works will be of a standard that people will want to use them.

And hopefully the new infrastructure will continue to be maintained to a decent standard too. I don't think people get how important that is

RosieJoe

Cycling forum is this way -->

Cyrus

JayRoc wrote: »

That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask, especially if you are a non-cyclist.

The question I always ask in response is "why do you think a cyclist might choose to use the road rather than a particular cycle path/lane?"

Not sure but if there is dedicated cycle infrastructure it should be used imo otherwise why spend the money .

Kingp35

Cyrus wrote: »

Not sure but if there is dedicated cycle infrastructure it should be used imo otherwise why spend the money .

As long as it's safe, clean and well maintained, cyclists will use it. Otherwise they will use the road.

rubadub

Cyrus wrote: »

Not sure but if there is dedicated cycle infrastructure it should be used imo otherwise why spend the money .

Why spend the money indeed, it is sickening to see so much money pissed away on lanes which were very unlikely to be used a lot. You would think they would be consulting people about potential problems, but obviously they do not.

If lane 1 on motorways was traditionally full of potholes & broken glass, random pedestrians, parked cars, dogs, traffic poles then people would stick to the other lanes.

Cycle lanes were mandatory at one stage, they changed the law so unlikely to go back, esp. when so many are so dangerous to actually use.

Seaswimmer

Larbre34 wrote: »

At the time that road was rebuilt in the mid-90s, a number of well resourced residents banded together and went to court to preserve certain large trees on private property rather than have them removed for the road widening scheme. Essentially a very expensive bespoke cocoon was built around the root systems at certain points, where the corridor of the new road was at the absolute minimum and so the cycle path out of necessity was raised up and over these. There is no way of levelling them now.

Didn't they manage to level the cycle path between Whites Cross and Foxrock Church? It used to go up and down considerably. Maybe there is some scope for Leopardstown Road?

JayRoc

Cyrus wrote: »

Not sure but if there is dedicated cycle infrastructure it should be used imo otherwise why spend the money .

I'm not sure you're getting what I am saying; basically I am suggesting that when cyclists use a road rather than a cycle path it's because the cycle path is not fit for purpose. Otherwise they would obviously use it, no?

Grassey

rubadub wrote: »

Why spend the money indeed, it is sickening to see so much money pissed away on lanes which were very unlikely to be used a lot. .

Like a 3 lane M50/M7 etc where only the middle and right lanes are used...

:D:D

crisco10

RosieJoe wrote: »

Cycling forum is this way -->

It's not just cyclists, with a buggy it's a bloody pain all the dips at each driveway. Some really steep and severe too.

JayRoc

RosieJoe wrote: »

Cycling forum is this way -->

Fair enough, but it's natural enough that some of the conversation here will be about the new road layout and cycling infrastucture though, as it is the main Dun Laoghaire topic of discussion for most people currently as far as I can tell.