billybonkers wrote: » Rumor has it Phil Hogan was at the infamous Berlin D2 brunch too
mick087 wrote: » If your not able to able to get rid of a political figure of such importanence then your not living in a democracy.
mick087 wrote: » So who is Phil Hogan accountable to if not that of the Irish or EU citizens? The Unelected EU commission maybe? How can an unelected group be accountable to anyone? Yes they would serve out there term like an elected TD would. But the people not an unelected commission would then be able to vote and "get rid" of them if the people and not the unelected so wished. If your not able to able to get rid of a political figure of such importanence then your not living in a democracy.
Mr Hogan finally admitted he travelled to locked down Kildare from Kilkenny to pick up “personal belongings and work documents” before travelling to Galway for the golf outing. Last Friday, the EU Trade Commissioner claimed he travelled directly to Galway and insisted he had not returned to Kildare while it was under lockdown. This afternoon, Mr Varadkar said Mr Hogan should answer all questions about his movements around the country since he arrived back in Ireland on July 31.
Ken Tucky wrote: » Lol...this thread is probably the only thing that has made me laugh today.. Good man Phil...
Phoebas wrote: » How do we in Ireland get rid of Department Secretaries in the Civil Service? Hogan is basically the EU equivalent?
caveat emptor wrote: » Are EU commissioners allowed to lie blatantly? He's defo being ousted. I thought it was really strange Leo and MM asked him to consider his position. Unless they've all become more honourable over night. Big Phil is probably still the bad guy in this drama though. I just can't figure out why. (apart from breaking the law in a few different ways, which is neither here or there in terms of politics here)
angel eyes 2012 wrote: » Yes, I was all angry about golf-gate and the good commissioner's role this morning but now that it is clear that Teflon Phil won't be going anywhere, I'm just interested in what other dastardly deeds did Phil get up to on his mad trip. It's like a cross between the Hangover and Happy Gilmore.
Sir Oxman wrote: » It was deffo the Commissioner in the partitioned room with a five iron Hopefully, game over Oops, sorry see another post got there!
mick087 wrote: » So the people of Ireland and its elected goverment or the EU citizens can not get rid of him then?
s1ippy wrote: » https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1297638660968452096?s=20 So Martin can't really give out to anyone, because he sponsored a feckin prize at the thing. What an omniscandal this is turning out to be.
mick087 wrote: » Correct so i repeat If your not able to able to get rid of a political figure of who hold office of importanence then your not living in a democracy
In 2009 the European ombudsman published statistics of citizens' complaints against EU institutions, with most of them filed against the Commission (66%) and concerning lack of transparency (36%).[95] In 2010 the Commission was sued for blocking access to documents on EU biofuel policy.[96] This happened after media accused the Commission of blocking scientific evidence against biofuel subsidies.[97] Lack of transparency, unclear lobbyist relations, conflicts of interests and excessive spending of the Commission was highlighted in a number of reports by internal and independent auditing organisations.[98][99][100][101] It has also been criticised on IT-related issues, particularly with regard to Microsoft.
joe40 wrote: » Plenty of positions of power aren't directly elected it doesn't make it undemocratic.
joe40 wrote: » I don't know anything about the sponsorship, but surely since this was an Oireactas event, it would be known about in Leinster house. Is it credible that this event was organised without government knowledge. Alarm bells should have been going off for any kind of social event involving politicians.
Phoebas wrote: » If you use your own personal definition of what constitutes a democracy then, yeah - nobody has ever lived in a democracy.
mick087 wrote: » I did not see Phil Hogans name on my ballot sheet How do we get rid of him?
joe40 wrote: » High ranking politicians, whether domestic or EU, breaking covid rules is important. No EU country is a police state. The resources to enforce covid restrictions do not exist if the majority of the population do not comply. Leadership by example is important, the general public react badly to "do as I say not as I do" from politicians. If this makes news in the EU, it could get difficult for him.
titan18 wrote: » When was Hogan telling people what to do in regards covid restrictions in Ireland? He ain't a member of government so wasn't doing it as part of that
McMurphy wrote: » Apparently Drew Harris passed on the info ref Hogan using the phone while driving, and if true, then it's bad form. It was bad form when Callinan did the same to Shatter to try and damage Wallace, and if it's true, then it's wrong here too. A commissioner should not be using his position to leak info to politically damage someone, no matter who they are. Harris might get brought down on this too the way things are shaping up FFS.
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