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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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bobbyy gee

NVIDIA RTX 3000 Series Rumored Pricing: RTX 3090 for $1399, RTX 3080 for $799, RTX 3070 for $599 and RTX 3060 for $399 you will need bigger case and 850 w power. Supply

The performance increase is 20% for the 3090 over the RTX 2080 Ti
Nvidia. Will wait to see what amd does to increase or decrease it's prices some cards will come out middle September to see what amd does then more middle of October then cheaper cards later

bobbyy gee

Nvidia gross profit margin is 58% to 65% this year 2020 it's lowest profit margin was in 2019 and went to 55% then went up to 65% in 2020
it dropped in July 2020
To 59% as AMD sold more gpu Nvidia is hoping the new cards bring in gross profit of 69%

Metric Tensor

H3llR4iser wrote: »

The issue I see is that while the absolute performance increase is usually there (a GTX 1660Ti is as fast as a GTX 1070), what tends to happen is that the same amount of money tends to "drop back" one level in the relative scale at each generation of cards. The 400€ you mentioned, what would afford a GTX 1070, are now enough "only" for a 2060 Super. Which is indeed a level below where the 1070 positioned itself amongst its peers. To maintain the "position", I went for a 2070 Super, which set me back around 600 - which would have gotten you a GTX 1080 in the previous generation. Prices have since gone a bit down, but still.

I think that's the game they play. The purchaser feels they have to stay at the "070" level because buying an "060" feels like a step back. So you're effectively upsold by 200 odd quid.

I'd love to see some sort of standardised cross generation performance per euro test regardless of card name and position in the manufacturers tiered offering. However I have no idea how you'd standardise across generations because everything the card works on is also advancing at the various rates.

K.O.Kiki

I don't trust any pricing rumours.
According to GN, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang finalizes the price on the day of reveal.

H3llR4iser

Metric Tensor wrote: »

They are always going to piss around with naming conventions and "numbers" in order to maximise profit. I don't think people should be too concerned with comparing a 1080 with 2080 or 3080 - that's what nVidia wants you to do so you can be sure the naming is designed to maximise profit.

I think it's better instead to compare price point. I paid circa €400 for my 1070 in 2016. The question I should ask is how much more performance can I get for €400* now - it doesn't matter if it's called the X-Pro-Max-Extreme-Eleventy-One or the Sh!tballer5000 - all the matters is the performance increase for the same price level. Then I can also decide if it's worth the investment or not ... or would I like to step up to the next price point or drop a level.

*Probably should say 410 for inflation, etc.

The issue I see is that while the absolute performance increase is usually there (a GTX 1660Ti is as fast as a GTX 1070), what tends to happen is that the same amount of money tends to "drop back" one level in the relative scale at each generation of cards. The 400€ you mentioned, what would afford a GTX 1070, are now enough "only" for a 2060 Super. Which is indeed a level below where the 1070 positioned itself amongst its peers. To maintain the "position", I went for a 2070 Super, which set me back around 600 - which would have gotten you a GTX 1080 in the previous generation. Prices have since gone a bit down, but still.

Metric Tensor

They are always going to piss around with naming conventions and "numbers" in order to maximise profit. I don't think people should be too concerned with comparing a 1080 with 2080 or 3080 - that's what nVidia wants you to do so you can be sure the naming is designed to maximise profit.

I think it's better instead to compare price point. I paid circa €400 for my 1070 in 2016. The question I should ask is how much more performance can I get for €400* now - it doesn't matter if it's called the X-Pro-Max-Extreme-Eleventy-One or the Sh!tballer5000 - all the matters is the performance increase for the same price level. Then I can also decide if it's worth the investment or not ... or would I like to step up to the next price point or drop a level.

*Probably should say 410 for inflation, etc.

Revoker88

Is anybody saying the 3090 should be priced the same as a 2080 though? I haven't really seen anyone say that.

The rumor I saw was the 3090 at possibly $2000,so givin past gens if that card doesn't take the titan spot and there's still a titan after that its a massive increase in price for the top end Nvidia consumer based GPUs,just like the 20 series was before it. The newer rumors of $1399 do seem a better fit though,its an increase but much a less noticeable one.

If there is a 3080 ti id expect that to be priced similarly to a 2080 ti alright. As in its priced based on where it sits in stack rather than the 3080 ti is 25% than a 2080 ti so should cost more.

Also creating new tiers helps no one but Nvida,just segmenting there range more makes it easier to charge higher prices. Everyone thinks of course a XX90 should cost more than a XX80,90 is bigger than 80!!

Maybe the 3090 should have been the 3080 ti and some marketing big wig said call it a 3090 and charge $200 more,it is Nvidia at the end of the day:pac:

Cordell

Well maybe 3090 is the new Titan, or maybe there will be a 3000 Titan at a whole new price level, in any case it's not right to compare it with 2080 for both price and performance.
As for taking the piss, they do it because they can, the lack of competition tend to do that.

Revoker88

Well i wouldnt say a new tier,there was always the titan.

So if it was a new tier we would get a titan this gen too. Maybe we will.

Also this gen may align with 20 series pricing but that was the first series to really take the piss imo.

Cordell

I think we're looking at this the wrong way: the prices in fact do align with the 2000 series, but 3090 is not the next gen 2080, it's a new tier completely, and the rest of the lineup seems to match the 2000 series msrps.

Serephucus

Ultrflat wrote: »

I dunno who the hell has the money to buy €1300 cards during a pandemic, I recon they wont be able to shift them or turn a profit. If anything I recon cards will be cheaper. Like you said the added competition of the new consoles. Times are changing.

I dunno. Most companies in general, but NVIDIA in particular it seems: If they could get away with legally charging your first born for their product, they would.

The 20 series didn't sell fantastically well in comparison to the 10 series, but then there wasn't the same perf. jump from 10-20 as there was from 9-10. It's looking like this may be another 10 series performance-jump-wise.

So, we have a company with products it know will be good, customers it knows really want them, and a competitor that may or not have something they should worry about, but not right away. If you're Jensen, what would you do, other than price them as high as you could get away with to start?

.G.

Inviere wrote: »

850W or higher recommended? :eek:

Thought they same! Even more expense on top of the pricey GPU.

Ultrflat

Mucashinto wrote: »

It’s really f’d up the way GPUs are going. Spend 500euro to be in the budget range 🙁. Consoles could really claw some popularity back if they play their cards right this generation I think.

Such diminishing returns at the high end of GPUs as well. Spend all that extra and get what exactly?

I dunno who the hell has the money to buy €1300 cards during a pandemic, I recon they wont be able to shift them or turn a profit. If anything I recon cards will be cheaper. Like you said the added competition of the new consoles. Times are changing.

Inviere

Mr Crispy wrote: »

"PSU Makers Ready 12-Pin Micro-Fit Connectors For NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 30 Series Ampere Graphics Cards"

850W or higher recommended? :eek:

z0oT

Serephucus wrote: »

Anyone else thinking this might be another Fermi round? (not that it won't have the perf to back it up, mind)

I can't help but remember these memes of the GTX 480 when I saw that alleged 3090 reference card.

Serephucus

BloodBath wrote: »

Any confirmation or not of whether the RT and Tensor stuff is separated from the main die? That would make things a lot easier to cool.

If I remember right the PCB photo a while ago showed two separate die areas.

Mr Crispy

"PSU Makers Ready 12-Pin Micro-Fit Connectors For NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 30 Series Ampere Graphics Cards" - WCCFTech (I know).

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BloodBath

The top end will suck juice but the coolers seem way better now so it shouldn't be a problem.

Any confirmation or not of whether the RT and Tensor stuff is separated from the main die? That would make things a lot easier to cool.

Serephucus

Anyone else thinking this might be another Fermi round?
(not that it won't have the perf to back it up, mind)

tazzzZ

Looks like ill have to add a new case to the cart when i buy one of these!!! for the price they should include one for free though!

K.O.Kiki

TBF there's MSI/ASUS cards that are as big.

*edit*

Someone on Videocardz forum fixed it.

TitianGerm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

This is allegedly a pic of the 3090 FE.

link

You're gonna need a bigger boat case.

That's a tiny electric heater.

Mr Crispy

This is allegedly a pic of the 3090 FE.

link

You're gonna need a bigger boat case.

Cordell

Deleted User wrote: »

And while PC gaming is doing really well these days consoles would be still more popular. Nearly all AAA games are developed for consoles first and foremost and then ported to PC.

But the things are much better now. The most popular engines are truly multiplaftorm and mature enough, and the architecture is much more alike between consoles and PS. I would say the PC port is not really a thing anymore, but the games are developed and released as multiplaftorm from day 1.

Homelander

What we might consider 'budget' range GPU's are the £200-250 class GPU's that would be the most common for 1080P setups....but they're not budget, they're more lower mainstream.

For example, recently, it would've been the GTX1060 or RX4/5 70/80/90 cards would be the most common, and they were reasonably priced, probably always will be due to the genuine competition in those brackets.

True budget cards are the GTX1650 or whatever, cards that pack a decent punch for small money, predecessor was the 1050, before that, the 750Ti. They tend to perform very well in their day, but two or three years later and they struggle with 1080p low settings.

Upper mainstream would be your RTX2060's or 5700's, but still mainstream territory.

[Deleted User]

But budget range GPU's are not 500euro. Most people who don't have high tier cards are using around 300euro cards in their systems.

And while PC gaming is doing really well these days consoles would be still more popular. Nearly all AAA games are developed for consoles first and foremost and then ported to PC.

Mucashinto

It’s really f’d up the way GPUs are going. Spend 500euro to be in the budget range 🙁. Consoles could really claw some popularity back if they play their cards right this generation I think.

Such diminishing returns at the high end of GPUs as well. Spend all that extra and get what exactly?

Revoker88

The rumours going round bout the potential price of a 3090 are eye watering.....

Well, this is interesting. Looks like Nvidia's getting raytracing support setup for some big name games including WoW.

BloodBath

EoinHef wrote: »

I really hope AMD will get some performance figures out there for RDNA2 around a similar time so can at least weigh both up then.

I've been sitting on a 1080 long enough that I can wait a month or so if it was worth it.

Sucks that they won't be launching closer together. Gives Nvidia an excuse to start their prices gouging high and drop when AMD's arrive if they are competitive.