Sir Oxman wrote: » Martin could communicate with the EU Council and express Ireland now has no confidence in him and I think that would make Hogan untenable?
Gerry Hatrick wrote: » If he'd played MM like a fiddle he would have instructed FG'ers and ex FG'ers not to attend the event. He's not as smooth as you think.
Pelezico wrote: » Hardly a scandal.
HBC08 wrote: » He doesn't even need to be that smooth or clever,a 12 year could outfox MM
fly_agaric wrote: » Might not be a great precendent to be setting to drag domestic politics over into the EU commission like that. I wonder has it happened before? That seems to be stepping over a line (to me). Has a member state brought pressure to bear to try & get the President to remove a commissioner? Seems that sort of thing begins dissolving the lines between the EU and the member states + between different parts of the EU (EU council, commission) What happens if another member state government suddenly has "no confidence" in some commisioner we have send over? How does that work? Perhaps someone with more knowledge can comment?
HBC08 wrote: » I dont remember as much public anger for any other political scandal.
Sir Oxman wrote: » Also, am I right in saying no other commissioner has been sacked/forced to resign? I know in 1999, the entire commssion resigned en masse before they were all to be sacked by the parliament over a corruption scandal.
Phishnet wrote: » Phil Hogan made a bad decision, but let's get real. Is it proportionate for him to resign. He is the European Commmissioner for Trade, that one of the most important positions in the EU, and guess what he is IRISH. He is the guy whom along with Barnier will try and knock out a trade agreement with Boris the bully, relating to BREXIT. Cop on people, if he goes we lose our representation in Europe particularly regarding agriculture. Do you think a replacement EU Commissioner for Trade, from somewhere like Estonia, is going to have Ireland's back. Think, before we look for this head on a plate. The old phrase " Cutting off your nose to spite your face" springs to mind. Strategic thinking is required in this instance. By all mean look for Woulfe's head, he signed off on the Covid legislation so he has no defence. But leave big Phil in place, it's in Ireland's interest.
jm08 wrote: » Its stepping over a line according to Brigid Laffan (director of Global Gov. Programme of Florence).https://twitter.com/BrigidLaffan/status/1297450821077082112
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Hogan issues apologetic statement per Newstalk. No resignation though.
fly_agaric wrote: » Yes, it seems dangerous. As I posted before I don't think he should have to resign over this. If Martin etc have now asked him to resign he may well do so, but do not think Martin/Varadkar/Irish Govt. have right or authority to try and have him forced out of the commission.
is_that_so wrote: » Yep, I think that's the only case.
HBC08 wrote: » Predictable, he's going nowhere unfortunately. He was always going to brazen it out,nobody in a position to sack him is interested in sacking him.
Sir Oxman wrote: » Did Hogan have Ireland's back with the Mercosur deal he secured? Ask the farmers of Ireland how German demands to sell their stuff into S America sold out our beef farmers People need to get it into their heads, Hogan nor any other 'Irish' commissioner wears a green jersey.
jm08 wrote: » Its none of our business. He is employed by the EU Commission. If a Dutch Commissioner was at that event, would we be demanding his/her resignation? Hogan doesn't work for us.
is_that_so wrote: » Journalist phone tapping? GUBU? Labour joining FF in 1991? Hep C? Mahon etc? Bertie payments?
HBC08 wrote: » I know of the first two but not old enough to remember properly. If you did a poll half of boards wouldn't be able to tell you what the mahon tribunal was about,I'd put the cervical smear scandal ahead of anything on that list. However every man ,woman and child in the country is effected by Covid restrictions, lockdown etc, literally everybody in the country is impacted in some way and can relate to it and this is the straw that broke the camel's back. I dont think I've ever seen such a reaction.
caveat emptor wrote: » I agree. It’s strange that the executive branch of the EU is not answerable to any electorate. No taxation without representation and all.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » "Boris the bully" I'm sure Boris is looking out for his own countries interest. You want Phil to stay because he will supposedly look out for Ireland's interest in Brexit negotiations. Does that not make him "Phil the bully"? The rest of your post is rational though. Ireland doesn't get to decide if he stays or goes. He wont be going anywhere. Hes made his apology and that will be that
timetogo1 wrote: » Really? I don't think Boris is looking out for his countries best interests. I thought he just looks after Boris. I'd say his priorities are Boris first, then the party, then England and probably then the union.
