quokula wrote: » Why exactly would we want someone who's fighting our corner during Brexit negotiations to resign and most likely be replaced with somebody from another country who won't have as much interest in Ireland? Because he had dinner out during lockdown? It was a stupid thing to do but I assume the other million plus people in the country who have also done that at some point should resign from their jobs too by that logic?
MickeyLeari wrote: » Like him or not (I don’t particularly) but Hogan is extremely well regarded in Brussels. The Commission will probably not be happy that he was forced out for what is in perspective a pretty small offence and most likely Ireland will get a far less high profile brief. The big countries will be thrilled that the trade brief will be available to them. Oh and we will lose a massive voice at the table in respect to NI and the future agreement.
Gerry Hatrick wrote: » Couldn't be further from the truth tbh. We are a very passive forgiving people. The levy has broke now and there is no going back.
The Belly wrote: » Hard to know what they will do but the government here is on thin ice with the public and they need a bigger fall guy so Hogans's number might be up.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » This keeps coming up. Hogan as an EU commissioner doesn't represent Ireland. He represents the EU. His role is to serve the interests of the group as a whole. How that affects Ireland (good or bad) is incidental. His nationality has no bearing on this. There's no "green jersey" aspect here.
HBC08 wrote: » As much as I dislike Hogan I think he's not going anywhere.People seem to think that he can be sacked or asked to resign by MM or Leo and that's not the case.They have asked him to consider his position so have done all they can (whether they genuinely want him to go or for optics it doesn't matter)
MickeyLeari wrote: » So what is this in reality: - the Government policy up to last week was to get the country back to business. - we had a job stimulus plan in July and a good part of this was in respect to the hospitality industry which is on its knees right now. Note that close to a million people are either on the PUP or the TWSS (we won’t be able to afford this for long). - we have a Government policy of encouraging staycations. The extent to this approachis that the chair of Bord Failte was forced to resign after taking a holiday in a country which was perfectly ok to travel to (normal precautions is the DFA advice) - hotels and restaurants are reeling from Covid 19 and trying to stay open while adhering to complex rules. - the Cabinet in a panic last Tuesday changed the rules and they could not even explain them at a press conference. - the hotel and the hotels federation seemingly received advice that functions could be split so as to comply with the rules applying until Tuesday afternoon. - the hotel and the hotel federation were seeking clarity on the new rules (huge uncertainty in respect to these rules). https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-hotels-federation-golf-gate-5181902-Aug2020/ - an event went ahead under this uncertainty - an event which was in line with the opening up message which applied until the previous day (although no one was 100% sure what the Cabinet agreed). - a member of that Cabinet attended the event and should have known it was in breach of what he agreed the previous day (the rest of us did not really have a clue). - that Minister was right to resign having agreed this. - the organisers clearly knew that they were stretching the existing rules. - other attendees (like with all health and safety advices) would have had to assume that the event was in line with govt advice and legal regulations. If this was in front of a rationale body such as a Court or workplace dispute it would be thrown out in minutes but this is the Court of public opinion.
Millionaire only not wrote: » Early money on Leo for the job , are the people of Ireland about to lose a good leader ?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Leo and Micheal calling on him to consider his position is an attempt to get ahead of the situation and the growing anger here over the last few days. They have no say in whether he does and it's only after further revelations about his movements have emerged. It's political spin and optics. Nothing more. They'll sit back and let the EU decide what to do with him, but the goal is to try and regain control of the situation here.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » The "well I did know" or "I assumed I was doing the right thing " defense wouldn't fly in any court. Ever get caught speeding? Tell the guard you didn't know the limit and see if he let's you off Ignorance isnt a viable excuse.
McMurphy wrote: » Definitely not.https://twitter.com/RoundLeader/status/1276428359199752192?s=19
Gerry Hatrick wrote: » Why do you think he would help us? Because he's Irish :pac: He doesn't give a hoot about Ireland.
is_that_so wrote: » Exactly, it's the right political call by both of them and costs them nothing. It's likely that next week's big event will push the story into oblivion.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » I don't know. I think schools reopening is going to be chaos and short lived myself given the same mixed messaging and individual schools doing different things, the back n forth over school buses etc I think it'll certainly become the big news event but this story plus the row about the policy changes at the start of the week will feed into the fallout. I think there's a very real possibility of people on the street, and the Government collapsing. Schools is their core focus since they formed. It HAS to go well (especially now), but I don't see how it can.
s1ippy wrote: » What it really comes down to is MM is a spineless, weak leader who is undermined by all and sundry and he has lost several people their positions due to his lack of control, poise and general haplessness. He can't even fake competence. If I were any of those affected I would be livid. A lot of people are now going to feel that he's ruined their careers and basically the whole country hates him, he comes off as a prick. Is it his fault? It's partly his own mad flapping about and partly having a worst enemy for a second in command. I'm just baffled he seemingly got no PR training, and not even a copy of "How to Be Taoiseach (For Dummies!). Leo surely has that lying around, but I guess that's more subterfuge.
Fr_Dougal wrote: » If Hogan, Cowen, Calleary and co. were SF politicians you’d have Mary Loooo brush everything off and declare that she’s “not their mammies”. Has that SF councillor in Monaghan resigned yet? Nope. Has Mary Loooo called for her resignation? Nope. The double standards.
the purple tin wrote: » Get real, people. Hulk's brief as trade commisioner is to make decisions that benefit Germany and Germany alone. We would be lucky if he threw us a few crumbs from his table.
893bet wrote: » Jesus. Never realised Leo was involved in the shooting or the dismemberment. I think MM has to go after the tragedy in Donegal this week. That’s his fault surely.
sydthebeat wrote: » That tweet is so stupid it actually serves the opposite of what it's for. How can you hold Leo responsible for a criminal dismemberment? Or incontinence of elderly people (how long have they been recording those incidents BTW?) or using movie quotes to make his speeches more memorable? Hold him to account on the obvious failings such as the covid nursing home debacle or the collapse of his parties vote in the last election. But that stuff in the tweet..... We're not Americans
is_that_so wrote: » Schools are everything and the government legacy. Mess up and it will probably end it. I think the school reopening will be OK as all the noise about the so-called poor planning may help do it better. There will be some problems, massively magnified in some quarters but I think it'll settle down. The challenge will be when cases emerge and IMO there will be some.
