Bowie wrote: » And there you go on a shinner rant...all to deflect from the golf piss up. This national story is of less interest to you seemingly.
smurgen wrote: » So now the way that Seamus Woulfe who has been advising FG on items such as the occupied territories bill and the ban on eviction has show a complete lack of judgement in relation to laws he helped draft is it fair to say that this legal advice they rely on so heavily is no longer reliable?
christy c wrote: » I think we should not be bring up someone who died serving the state to score points. If that means not bringing up Storey so be it.
McMurphy wrote: » I happen to agree - but as Francie already has said, it's not Garda Horkan being discussed, it's the mourner's at his funeral, likewise the Storey funeral mourners. The virus doesn't care or know who is who at which funeral, there's only one crowd trying to score points of mourners at a funeral, I understand you're not at it yourself personally, and to be fair you seem to recognise the hypocrisy at play. The fact does remain though, Storey's funeral, like Garda Horkans attracted a large number of mourners, some of which from each funeral could be seen breaking the social distancing guidelines at the time. You cannot call one out without calling out the other.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » I will admit I’m an extremely intelligent man, dude. FG does tend to attract people of above average intelligence.
smurgen wrote: » Just getting back on this. Seamus Woulfe saying he wasn't aware of the separation of powers or he wouldn't have attended. Also wasn't aware of the dinner even though it was on the invite or he wouldn't have attended. This is the legal advice FG has touted as almost God like. It has impacted the policies of the government. Is it fair to say now that FG as a party have been undermined? This is basic stuff.https://twitter.com/bergormanlowry/status/1296929799596847104?s=19
Acosta wrote: » When you see small beaches in recent weeks packed with people running around half naked, tripping over each other with no social distancing whatsoever, all the hullabaloo around funerals seems a bit silly to me.
The controversy over Wednesday’s golf dinner in Galway was only the second major political controversy of the week. Though it was forgotten on Friday amid the outrage about the golf dinner, there was a significant and highly revealing row between the Taoiseach and Tánaiste at the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday that included a pointed warning from Leo Varadkar that the future of the Government is in jeopardy. It was only 10 minutes before the Cabinet meeting was due to start when it became apparent to his colleagues that Varadkar was not happy. Word buzzed around Fine Gael Ministers that there was a problem; texts and Whatsapp messages flew. Some weren’t sure that the Cabinet meeting would go ahead at all. The problem-solvers – Fine Gael’s Simon Coveney and Paschal Donohoe – attempted emergency outreach to their Fianna Fail colleagues. What was the problem? But the Fianna Fáilers didn’t know either. The Cabinet meeting, with some members in attendance in Government Buildings and others (including Varadkar) joining remotely, began soon after 1pm. On the agenda were the latest recommendations from the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), advising the tightening of restrictions in response to the resurgence of the virus in recent days. In truth, the public health experts were extremely alarmed, and had mooted a return to a total lockdown if the trend in infections continued. But the politicians were united that this was impossible, for social and economic reasons. Varadkar wanted this thrashed out at a Cabinet subcommittee rather than – as some Fine Gaelers saw it – being bounced into hasty decisions at the full Cabinet. He soon made his displeasure clear. “If we keep doing business like this,” he said, “we won’t be doing business for long.”At first, some of the people around the table or tuning in weren’t sure they had heard right. Was the Tánaiste really talking about the potential end of the coalition Government – after seven weeks? It was perhaps the most shocking moment of the coalition’s life so far.“Jeez that was rocky,” was one Minister’s assessment afterwards. Others were more direct. The word used by five different people, either present or briefed afterwards, was “****show”. “Actually, it was worse than was reported,” said another senior figure a few days afterwards. According to Fianna Fáil and some senior officials, Varadkar was being petulant and unreasonable, making his dramatic intervention in a way that he knew would soon become public knowledge. All the more so because it was – several senior sources have confirmed – his chief of staff, Brian Murphy, who suggested the Cabinet meeting in place of the subcommittee meeting. The criticism of Varadkar was loud and sharp and not confined to Fianna Fáil; Fine Gael Ministers and senior officials were also privately critical. “Industrial scale petulance”, was the acerbic comment of one official. Others wondered if this was personality or political strategy. Varadkar rarely makes interventions without thinking them through. He would certainly have been aware this would be leaked. Politics is a mixture of public drama and private dealing, and nobody is a more careful student of the interplay between the two than Varadkar.
Bowie wrote: » He helped the government navigate the legalities of social distancing rules ffs.. Some top judge, didn't know he was going to a piss up dinner. Did he think it was just him going?
smurgen wrote: » Ignorantia juris non excusat. It's interesting to read over some of the stuff he had a hand in now with hindsight. Read this knowing what we now know. It makes some of the shakey advice provided in the past look even more suspect.https://electronicintifada.net/content/did-irish-minister-distort-truth-over-israels-settlement-imports/30626
Muahahaha wrote: » This would be the same Fine Gael attorney general who told us that a rent freeze during a housing crises would be unconstitutional but when the pandemic came along suddenly a ban on evictions wasn't unconstitutional. He is a Fine Gaeler Attorney General who was just there to provide Fine Gael with political cover for what ever policy they want to shaft the public on.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Lot of anger out there
McMurphy wrote: » This is the relevant thread - right?https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296940950472794113?s=19
Muahahaha wrote: » David Cullinane on the TV3 news just there saying that Fine Gael have always shouted that a Sinn Fein government would be a chaotic one but it is Fine Gael themselves who are the ones delivering the chaos , ouch! Anyway how much longer can Phil hang on by his fingernails? Leo looking increasingly weak now that he hasnt been able to get rid of him behind the scenes to the EU
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Cullinane wants to ‘ break the state’ and professes support of a terrorist organisation. Hardly the kind of guy you want, and more importantly the electorate want in charge. I’m afraid the murky past of the line out who are the opposition tells us they have no chance of power. Sure the bullhorn brigade, the support anything negative, the professional picketeers, the magic money tree mob, the ‘tax the rich crusties’ the blowhard priviliged will continue to pump out the negativity . Those who get up early will blow these chancers out of the water at election time. Lot of anger out there....
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Just like the last election yeh?
smurgen wrote: » Just getting back on this. Seamus Woulfe saying he wasn't aware of the separation of powers or he wouldn't have attended.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Last election means nothing, effendi, it’s the next one that counts. The ‘no names’ in the second tier of the opposition, the plods who patrol the means streets of the sink estates will never reach the sunlight of national politics. They will always be grunts who have more interest in who won the ‘meat raffle’ in the local boozer or who needs to get their ‘dourrter’ on some scheme which has no outcome , not Trail Blazers on the national stage. Hence the reason they couldn’t get next or near to forming a govt. Depending on coins like RBB - Murphy- Brid Smith- Gino..... won’t get you anywhere sahib, it just doesn’t work like that.
