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Kurt Cobain is dead?

Sam Quentin

Please forgive and I'm not ripping the píss... But can someone please explain the fascination with the death of Kurt Cobain..ok ok I know you think I'm being an áss-hole to even ask such a question, I know that's what some/a lot of you are thinking,but I'm deadly serious, it's been annoying me for a long time now.. I compare it to if Paul Weller or Suggs had died when I was 'out & about' the difference being I can't imagine any of us dwelling on it for so long and maybe not even crying, because I was Ska kinda Mod loved them all... Anyway enough about me. So what is the fascination. Honestly please explain. Thank You.

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s1ippy

https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/kurt-cobain-20th-anniversary-death-l4lm/

100% Courtney Love murdered him.

-obviously forged "suicide" note
-x3 the lethal amount of heroin in his system
-nitrates not concentrated on his hands after firing shotgun
-the biggest reason: the prenuptial agreement they signed meant that Love stood to lose a fortune if they got divorced because when they got married it looked like Hole was going to be huge but she was unremarkable trash whereas he was a visionary who revolutionised music

It was investigated as a suicide from the jump instead of presumed murder because she rang the police pretending to be his mom when he went "missing" and told them he was "suicidal" and had a shotgun.

The door to the room he was found in was locked with a latch that would close behind the person exiting

Sam Quentin

I kinda get it now. Thanks for all the replies.
Everyone to their own I suppose, Everyone to their own.

Hotblack Desiato

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

And supremely talented and a counter culture figurehead.

I once had an interesting discussion about Nirvana with some randomner on here who reckoned they were not all that, very odd; give Nevermind a spin right now and if you are not moving to it then frankly you are dead inside.

Bleach is better though. Both in terms of its rawness and the songwriting.

I mean, I loved Nevermind at the time but it's just too overproduced and some lyrics or indeed entire songs are trite filler.

Church on Tuesday

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Bleach is better though. Both in terms of its rawness and the songwriting.

I mean, I loved Nevermind at the time but it's just too overproduced and some lyrics or indeed entire songs are trite filler.

In Utero is prob better than both

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

What is your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery? - Chief Wiggam..

thank you for reminding me of this!

:D:D:D:D

[Deleted User]

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Well I suppose that explains it. But rave and pop and even Ska/Mod were a million times better than that stuff in the 80s early 90s.. so basically it was kinda crap
emmmm not popular or not as popular!?

Yuu are taking the Michael

Gentleman Off The Pitch

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

...

It was also a time when pop music culture was dominated by hip-hop and rave..

What??

El Tarangu

Some bands/musicians capture the zeitgeist in a way that is out of all proportion to the quality of their output; it helps when the frontman is a romantic, tortured soul, who conveniently dies young and is as such preserved forever after as an icon, without their legacy being sullied by any decline in the quality of their music, or their growing old and becoming boring and conventional (like the rest of us).

The Doors/Jim Morrison is another example of this.

(btw, I enjoy the music of Nirvana, but despise The Doors)

Hotblack Desiato

Unfortunately I don't regard his death as either a mystery or a surprise. The '92 Point Depot show was phoned in, an utter disappointment. No surprise that it was revealed later in Michael Azzerad's book about his massive drug use at the time.

I went from being enthralled in 1991, to not bothering to look for tickets for the 1994 gig here (cancelled obviously).

By then he'd been on a serious downward spiral for months if not longer, which must have been very obvious to everyone around him, but nobody intervened in a meaningful way. Was he worth more to Courtney Love dead than alive? - absolutely. Did she bring about or encourage his death? - I don't believe she needed to do that as it was going to happen anyway.

Hotblack Desiato

El Tarangu wrote: »

Some bands/musicians capture the zeitgeist in a way that is out of all proportion to the quality of their output; it helps when the frontman is a romantic, tortured soul, who conveniently dies young and is as such preserved forever after as an icon, without their legacy being sullied by any decline in the quality of their music, or their growing old and becoming boring an conventional (like the rest of us).

The Doors/Jim Morrison is another example of this.

(btw, I enjoy the music of Nirvana, but despise The Doors)

The Doors is the perfect example of that.

That comedian guy who used to do links on MTV Europe ~30(!) years ago summed up the three phases of Morrison's career perfectly -

- You're drunk, you're nobody
- You're drunk, you're famous
- You're drunk, you're dead.

Still unaccountably popular among Northside wannabe hard-men though

:pac:

Rothko

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I saw them both the following night in the Top Hat if that's any good to ya

Almost stole the show... and I was and still am a massive SY fan.

I will always be insanely jealous of you dear sir.

Vestiapx

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The Doors is the perfect example of that.

That comedian guy who used to do links on MTV Europe ~30(!) years ago summed up the three phases of Morrison's career perfectly -

- You're drunk, you're nobody
- You're drunk, you're famous
- You're drunk, you're dead.

Still unaccountably popular among Northside wannabe hard-men though :pac:

Big fat guy in a bathtub

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

He was a disaffected youth, which many youth could (and still can) identify with... and he just so happened to be talented at something.

I think people could see that he was real... he didn't try to be something for the cameras. Some of his interviews are great to watch. No BS, just honesty.

Sadly his problems were real and they got the better of him - which sort of makes him even more appealing because despite his talent and popularity, he was just like many people trying to keep their sh!t together but didn't quite succeed. Nirvana's music displays this too - when they got it right, it was incredible... when they got it wrong, sometimes it barely sounded like music. They were just kids experimenting with different sounds...

I also liked that he didn't try to be macho like so many of us males think we have to be... he was brave in many ways, but not that boring macho type that is so common. He seemed to reject so many of the stereotypes that society pushes onto us. He hated the whole fame thing too - which unfortunately made some people worship him even more.

Basically he just seemed like a cool normal flawed human being. The guy next door playing guitar in his garage, who became a superstar.

[Deleted User]

The fact Dave Grohl did so much and is still going adds to it as well. Younger people get exposed to his music and then learn the backstory.

Guy:Incognito

punisher5112 wrote: »

Aviici is dead too.... It happens more then one would think and you would wonder.... .

It sure does. In fact , it happens to most of us.

igCorcaigh

Rothko wrote: »

The fascination with his death has to do with the fact that he died so young and that his death is surrounded in mystery. A lot of people think that he was murdered and that Courtney Love had something to do with it. Not me, though. I think it was a straightforward case of suicide.

Yeah I think you're right.
The guy was obviously in a lot of mental pain. Which is why his music had such an effect.

Courtney made really bad music and dissed Kurt on air. Doesn't mean she killed him.

irishguitarlad

People generally have a fascination with famous singers/musicians dying, especially if it's tragic. For me with Kurt Cobain and others I rarely focus on his death and celebrate the fact he was alive at all and i got to listen to his music. The same with Marvin Gaye, the last day me and the gf were listening to him and i was going to say "do you know he was killed by his father" but then I was like what the fúck is the point? We should celebrate these peoples lives and art, not focus on their deaths.

Wanderer78

An incredible tragedy, mental health issues are a serious matter, even great wealth and fame cannot prevent this pain

Montage of Feck

There is no band that has matched the raw dark edged, manic intensity of Nirvana.

Badly Drunk Boy

Notdeco wrote: »

Cos his gf killed him and framed it like a suicide...

I think the CIA also killed him.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I saw them both the following night in the Top Hat if that's any good to ya

Almost stole the show... and I was and still am a massive SY fan.

I was there too. Great gig! I remember nearly losing my watch when the strap broke in the moshpit.

I still prefer Sonic Youth to Nirvana.

Mad_maxx

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

I think it’s partly because he was such an anti-hero at a time when ‘rock stars’ of the late 80s and early 90s thought they were gods, because they were treated like that. All big production with a slick, polished image and a kind of mystique like they weren’t like normal people. Kurt was like that odd kid in school who listened to 70s Norwegian punk and didn’t make a big deal about going out of their way to be a misfit.

It was also a time when pop music culture was dominated by hip-hop and rave. Nirvana were like a direct kick in the balls on behalf of everyone that hated that scene. Nirvana gave those people a cultural scene to call their own. Then there’s the tragic ‘romantic poet’ thing with this quiet and intense guy who never felt comfortable with all the fame and then died young.

Agree with everything bar the part about pop music culture being dominated by hip hop and rave

That happened several year's after his death in the case of hip hop and even dance music was still not fully mainstream in the early nineties

Nirvana were a complete breath of fresh air, before their arrival, los Angeles " cock rock " was all there was for the most part on MTV ,back when MTV was relevant

Nirvana killed the 1980,s stone dead in every possible way ,excess and aspiration were out and misery and realism the new form of expression

Cobain was the world's most successful loser ever,hence his appeal and lasting legacy

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact Dave Grohl did so much and is still going adds to it as well. Younger people get exposed to his music and then learn the backstory.

The Foo Fighters bear no relation to Nirvana, awful generic dross, if grohl wasn't the lead, they'd be rated no higher than Nickleback

Kylta

Without a doubt he had his demons. But I wonder if he had lived and altered his music, or if his music flopped, would he still have the same claim to fame. Most groups/bands can only go so far before they implode, for various reasons. Maybe grunge would've replaced by something else. Music at the best of times is fickle ( bands will always have dieheart supporters) but people move on to different types of music. I think Kurt was a very gifted musician at a time when there were a lot of mediocre crap going around.

Hangdogroad

Notdeco wrote: »

Cos his gf killed him and framed it like a suicide...

Nah she didn't.

Treppen

Montage of Feck wrote: »

There is no band that has matched the raw dark edged, manic intensity of Nirvana.

Coldplay ?

Akrasia

Rothko wrote: »

Sir Henry's

Played there as a support act to Sonic Youth. Oh, if I had a time machine that would surely be one of the gigs I'd like to go back to and visit.

Speaking of Sonic Youth, their former band mate Ian Curtis’s life had an eerily similar tragic arc a few years before.

Signore Fancy Pants

He was doing ok and then he blew it.

Standard Toaster

Suggs, lol

septictank

Standard Toaster wrote: »

Suggs, lol

Stop that! lol.

machiavellianme

Akrasia wrote: »

Speaking of Sonic Youth, their former band mate Ian Curtis’s life had an eerily similar tragic arc a few years before.

Huh?
I don't think Ian Curtis was in Sonic Youth.